TdF Stage 14 - Rodez -> Mende **SPOILERS**
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Am I watching a different race to others? I keep seeing mentions of Sky dominance but can only recall one stage where that has actually happened. Sure, they've controlled the race but that's been the case with virtually every team with the yellow jersey in the 30 years I've been watching. It's expected of them. Sky looked under pressure today and I'd argue Movistar have been showing more signs of dominance. But then that wouldn't fit with narrative of 'unbelievable' performances.0
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Pinot was more or less on his wheel for a couple of hundred metres, but Cummings took a visibly better/faster line through the last couple of corners. Pinot wasn't comfortable enough to do the same, Bardet was stuck behind him, and that opened a small gap for Cummings.
Just before the end of the GIF, Cummings is still freewheeling and it looks like Pinot can easily close. Did he wait for Bardet there?
Haven't rewatched, but I'm pretty sure he just hesitates fora second by which point it's too late. Perhaps he was half-expecting Cummings to sit on and recover for the sprint?
Yeah. i did mention to my friend I was watching with that you could see something of the crit rider in him.
I did think it was a very crit'ish' move in the last km
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If the press don't like SKY, that is one thing, but presumably they are aware that many people truly believe everything they read in the papers is the absolute truth. The press are provoking the mob with their words, it appears, and will carry some responsibility if something more serious than a cup of wee-wee is directed at Froome and his team mates.
DD.
They can't be looking forwards to Alpe D'Huez, it's been out of control in recent years, hopefully we wont see any nasty incidents but I would not want to be riding up there in a Sky jersey.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
It's the obvious and easy narrative to go with when it comes to Sky. Never mind that around two-thirds of Quintana's deficit to Froome came from getting caught in the echelons way back on stage 2, or that Movistar have Quintana and Valverde 2nd and 4th on GC, or that those two finished right behind Froome today, etc.Am I watching a different race to others? I keep seeing mentions of Sky dominance but can only recall one stage where that has actually happened. Sure, they've controlled the race but that's been the case with virtually every team with the yellow jersey in the 30 years I've been watching. It's expected of them. Sky looked under pressure today and I'd argue Movistar have been showing more signs of dominance. But then that wouldn't fit with narrative of 'unbelievable' performances.0 -
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Am I watching a different race to others? I keep seeing mentions of Sky dominance but can only recall one stage where that has actually happened. Sure, they've controlled the race but that's been the case with virtually every team with the yellow jersey in the 30 years I've been watching. It's expected of them. Sky looked under pressure today and I'd argue Movistar have been showing more signs of dominance. But then that wouldn't fit with narrative of 'unbelievable' performances.
And Froome gained the best part of 2 minutes of Quintana during the first week, through consistency and good positioning at important moments. Without that, the gap wouldn't look nearly as big.0 -
Gallopin positive after today's stage
http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/gallopin_the_top_10_is_possible/
you could have worded that a little better... I got all excited about a doping scandal!
*whistles innocently*Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Eduoardo Sepulveda DSQ for getting into the ag2r car for 100m after he snapped his chain.0
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Armstrong turns up for two days to support a cancer charity (and flip the bird at the French) and gets slated, while Tricky-Dicky Virenque (the face of the 1998 EPO scandal on the sacred Tour) is the poster boy for Festina at this Tour and is actually at the race each day. Jalabert's quotes are also given credence in the French press. All three were dopers yet only two get the red-carpet treatment? The two French dopers, coincidentally. What a fooking joke.
DD.
This is what I don't like about the Armstrong witch hunt. Why single out one when you have people who were doped to the eye balls. At least give Lance a bit of credit in that at least he had a pair of brain cells and knew how to cheat better than the rest of the cretins.0 -
Last night, a Dutch mate was having a go at my poor pronunciation of this - I can't get the ch of schatje right :-(So Porte's been punched, Froome's had p*ss thrown in his face.
This is not acceptable. It's assault. What's it going to be like on the Alpe?
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A chair? WWF style.
On bocht 7 that's a distinct possibility.
Exactly what I was referring to. Tbh, I thought I had included a vid of them singing their song but obviously forgot :S
This one's got lyrics so you can all learn it before the Alpe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbSDVyBZbqM
Een, twee, drie, vier... Schtaje mag ik je foto? Heb je een voto voor mij? Schatje mag ik je foto? En doe er ook je nummer bij!0 -
Frenchie talks about tradition but hasn't the feintest idea about cycling history full stop.
The tour is littered with abominations, that IS the tradition and history.
Maurice garin DQ for catching a train after winning the year before
The time the French fans were so incensed in 1904 they used daggers/knives & beatings to help Antoine Faure to try to win.
Bigotted/Sexist TdF organisers fearful a women would beat the men banned Marie Marvingt from competing, she rode the route on her own and did beat the time of many of the men.
Ridiculous rules; destrange enforced a 10 minute sanction on Eugene Christophe, his crime...having the assistance of the smithy to pump the bellows so he could fix his forks broken on the Tourmalet. Another crazy 'tradition' was to not allow an extra jersey to be worn even if near freezing conditions.
most of the early tour riders almost starved or slept rough because of the tradition of forcing the lesser riders to pay their own way often having to work between finishing and starting the next day.
The tours constant need to control the results so rival papers (to that of the organisers) wouldn't get the results in time to publish(race start time specifically changed)
The list of horrendous 'tradition' and history goes on, including the tradition of ignoring/covering up cheating of the top/popular riders so that the 'tour' remained popular!
So Frenchie, what now re your drivel about team sky not following tradition...probably a good thing they dont right?
you're a total know nowt and even more vocal because your traditional drug cheater is getting shown up0 -
Fabulous stage once again by Sky and Froome, Nibbles and Quintana attacked and Froome just wound them back in.... Bertie has learnt that sitting on Froome's wheel is the best way to keep up with him...
Next year's tour will be interesting, none of this year's GC contenders bar Froome will be team leaders, none are good enough. Quintana is too lightweight, nice lad but once a hill evens out Froome will fly past him every time.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
It seems Contador begged Valverde not to attack on the climb.
#TrueChampionFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
great stage, really good jumble of the GC, touch of the green jersey, etc.
Great win for Jumbo as well.0 -
Hilariously, in between their Vayer-informed articles feeding suggestions about Sky and Froome's abnormal, supersonic or question-raising performances, etc, L'Equipe yesterday got this celebratory look piece on Jalabert's heroic, authentique effort in Mende 0
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It seems Contador begged Valverde not to attack on the climb.
#TrueChampion
To Valverde, an opponents plea for mercy sounds like beautiful music does to normal human ears"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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It seems Contador begged Valverde not to attack on the climb.
#TrueChampion
Heavyweight.
There's a notable improvement in the quality of discussion on this thread from about the start of page 13. Fewer pictures though. I wonder if there could be some common factor...0 -
Sadly I'm reading this thread for the controversy and not the win.
Personally I think Team Sky are a good thing for cycling, a progressive team which through advertising and exposure is bringing more money into the sport and more awareness. The Tour de France has never been as popular and it has never been this clean. A lot of that has to be attributed to Team Sky and it would be great to see other teams follow the example they set - going as far as not to employ individuals with past doping offences.
And we can say Team Sky are clean because really its an extension of British Cycling or Team GB and they're all clean. Is anyone on any doubt that Sir Chris Hoy, Wiggins or Lizzie Armistead aren't clean?
Furthermore I generally think we are seeing an increase in the speed of technological advancements and innovation in cycling because of Team Sky as an extension of Team GB who are known to use tech to extract the best out of their athletes. Its no surprise Froome is as good as he is, Hoy, Wiggins, Pendleton, Armistead and many more have dominated their field and basically came out of the same factory.
And the benefit of having a single sponsor team is that it encourages other large companies to sponsor teams in the same manner and this provides more financial reassurance for the future of the sport.
Alas this will all probably be overlooked because Sky have a Man Utd/City effect about them, people prefer the underdog.
And no, I'm not a Sky posterboy but I can appreciate what they bring to the sport, which is probably more than any other team. I'm actually a Contador man.
Next year's tour will be interesting, none of this year's GC contenders bar Froome will be team leaders, none are good enough. Quintana is too lightweight, nice lad but once a hill evens out Froome will fly past him every time.
If the Tour de France was the only race then maybe, but its not so I doubt that. Contador won the Giro and its highly possibly Quintana or Nibali could win the Vuelta so they are still legitimate GC contenders. Even if they didn't win a tour this year (Froome didn't last year and is still team leader) - sh*t happens, who would replace them? The goal is to win races, not beat Sky at one race - that's part of the problem.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
I noticed that the state broadcaster referred to Cummings as 'Britain's Steven Cummings'. It seems the title 'Former Team Sky rider...' is reserved for bad news days.
An ambitious alliance proposal from Alberto yesterday. Valverde was 6s ahead on GC before the stage. The bad news for Nairo is that Valverde probably has a better chance of a podium than last year. No chance of anything risky and speculative from the old tar.
Keen observers of the British media landscape will record how untouchable Murdoch has become by reference to yesterday's ausgesetzt of Big Brenda getting her marching orders from Uncle Adolphus.
Froome and his team have absolutely smashed it so far. It's churlish to quibble. Hats off....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Eduoardo Sepulveda DSQ for getting into the ag2r car for 100m after he snapped his chain.
Oh FFS.It seems Contador begged Valverde not to attack on the climb.
#TrueChampion
Pure racer.0 -
What I never get with the tinfoil syringe lot, is one moment they'll say "there's always been doping in the Tour" and the next minute really kick off when they decide a rider is doping.
I mean, which is it guys? Are you looking to be outraged? If so, it's worse than I thought. No longer just a tragic case for someone who yearns to be the cynical guy in the back who "knows" and instead a moronic dangerous person who gets off over their and other peoples rage, frustration and disappointment.
Did Armstrong really burn you that badly? Were you so caught up in it that his admission was like a former lover announcing her adultery to the world, crushing your already withering sense of masculinity? Did it really hurt that much?
It's beyond pathetic and begins to feel more sinister.
To make it crystal clear:
No one can know if someone is doping or not.
But a rider winning the Tour without much tension or serious challenges isn't evidence of doping. In fact, I might even go as far to say that it someone's performance will NEVER be good evidence for doping.
If a rider shows unusual gains, test a lot, sniff around.
But until you find hard, actual evidence of doping, you will have to suck it up.
If you cannot handle that, go f*ck off somewhere else to a different sport, because you'll only ruin it for others.0 -
What I never get with the tinfoil syringe lot, is one moment they'll say "there's always been doping in the Tour" and the next minute really kick off when they decide a rider is doping.
I mean, which is it guys? Are you looking to be outraged? If so, it's worse than I thought. No longer just a tragic case for someone who yearns to be the cynical guy in the back who "knows" and instead a moronic dangerous person who gets off over their and other peoples rage, frustration and disappointment.
Did Armstrong really burn you that badly? Were you so caught up in it that his admission was like a former lover announcing her adultery to the world, crushing your already withering sense of masculinity? Did it really hurt that much?
It's beyond pathetic and begins to feel more sinister.
To make it crystal clear:
No one can know if someone is doping or not.
But a rider winning the Tour without much tension or serious challenges isn't evidence of doping. In fact, I might even go as far to say that it someone's performance will NEVER be good evidence for doping.
If a rider shows unusual gains, test a lot, sniff around.
But until you find hard, actual evidence of doping, you will have to suck it up.
If you cannot handle that, go f*ck off somewhere else to a different sport, because you'll only ruin it for others.
From reading there quite a bit, it's not actually the doping that really bothers them, because in their eyes everyone is doping anyway. It's team Sky's deceit and lies. Running a rampant, blatant doping program in the face of their ZTP, then rubbing it in everyone's faces with their arrogance and 'alien' performances that give the other teams no chance.
That's how they see it, and there's no reasoning with them. Ironically they shout down anyone that defends Sky as a nationalistic Skybot, yet they're exactly the same in that they hate Sky largely because they're British!0 -
PMSL the vast majority of people commenting on this and similar threads are flag waving Sky zealots denouncing one rider as an ogre because he had traces of salbutamol in his blood so infinitesimally small they had to test in labs with ultra sensitive equipment.
Armstrong IS different, not because he was a PED user but because of his malicious bullying behaviour. its different.0 -
I've got no idea what your problem actually is. Do you just hate Sky because you think they are doping or do you hate them because Contador got busted on such a small amount of gear or do you hate Sky because Contador gets put in the same bracket as Armstrong?PMSL the vast majority of people commenting on this and similar threads are flag waving Sky zealots denouncing one rider as an ogre because he had traces of salbutamol in his blood so infinitesimally small they had to test in labs with ultra sensitive equipment.
Armstrong IS different, not because he was a PED user but because of his malicious bullying behaviour. its different.0 -
I've said it before, but it's a shame there's so much bickering after such a great stage.
That was an epic and beautiful win by Cummings. I groaned when he seemed like the the first to crack at the foot of the hill but then came back in a Roche like move and blasted past the two breakaways without a seconds pause. Wonderful.
And I find myself routing for dirty old Valverde. That guys got guts.
Quintana is at least making a race of it. Good on him and more to come I think.
TJ found out as expected and Contador is not really in the race.
At least try to enjoy it guys, I think it's a good one.0 -
I think it's been great as well and Cummings win is in my top 10 of feel good stage wins. As for the bickering, it's always going to happen particularly at the tour.I've said it before, but it's a shame there's so much bickering after such a great stage.
That was an epic and beautiful win by Cummings. I groaned when he seemed like the the first to crack at the foot of the hill but then came back in a Roche like move and blasted past the two breakaways without a seconds pause. Wonderful.
And I find myself routing for dirty old Valverde. That guys got guts.
Quintana is at least making a race of it. Good on him and more to come I think.
TJ found out as expected and Contador is not really in the race.
At least try to enjoy it guys, I think it's a good one.0 -
I noticed that the state broadcaster referred to Cummings as 'Britain's Steven Cummings'. It seems the title 'Former Team Sky rider...' is reserved for bad news days.
Loon. Why would anyone describe him as "Former Sky rider"? He left them at the of 2011 and has ridden for two different teams since leaving. If he's a former anything, he's a former BMC rider.
Actually, now I think about it it *is* outrageous. How dare the Marxist BBC describe him as "British" rather than the far more accurate and apposite "Former Landbouwkrediet - Colnago rider". Obviously Landbouwkrediet only get mentioned for bad news days now that there is a war on bankers.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
I noticed that the state broadcaster referred to Cummings as 'Britain's Steven Cummings'. It seems the title 'Former Team Sky rider...' is reserved for bad news days.
Loon. Why would anyone describe him as "Former Sky rider"? He left them at the of 2011 and has ridden for two different teams since leaving. If he's a former anything, he's a former BMC rider.
Actually, now I think about it it *is* outrageous. How dare the Marxist BBC describe him as "British" rather than the far more accurate and apposite "Former Landbouwkrediet - Colnago rider". Obviously Landbouwkrediet only get mentioned for bad news days now that there is a war on bankers.
Because when there is a doping story it's 'former Team Sky rider Mick Rogers' who's positive for clenbuterol. etc It's a free hit for the beeb and they take it every time....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
When Davide Appollonio was recently busted for EPO, he was widely described as a 'former Sky rider', despite leaving in 2012 and riding for AG2R and Androni.I noticed that the state broadcaster referred to Cummings as 'Britain's Steven Cummings'. It seems the title 'Former Team Sky rider...' is reserved for bad news days.
Loon. Why would anyone describe him as "Former Sky rider"? He left them at the of 2011 and has ridden for two different teams since leaving. If he's a former anything, he's a former BMC rider.Twitter: @RichN950
