Are sky clean or not?
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This place would not be particularly interesting if I stopped posting.
Haha, amazing.
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I'm not spoiling the forum. This place would not be particularly interesting if I stopped posting. What are you adding that entices me to come here?
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While we’re on the topic of Contador does anyone remember when he won a pan flat 9 km prologue in Paris-Nice a few years ago against the like of TT heavyweights Wiggins, Martin (Tony no less) and Millar?!
These days he (and Froome) lose 50-58 seconds to the likes of Martin in 13 km pan flat TTs!
Ah yes, the one where Wiggins was riding into a headwind caused by the helicopter.stefrees wrote:afx237vi wrote:Why would Contador dope for Paris-Nice? Doesn't make sense.
no it doesn't. i dont want him to test positive as i actually like the guy. but this result just feels, well, ive felt this way before and its not a nice feeling
Contador has always been excellent in against the watch, After the ASO exclusion of last year he will want to send a message, which this victory would have.
His form is good and this is his second TT win of the year so its not that surprising.
Lance did his usual:
https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/1298544252
Brilliant, good work!
Funny post from the Spoiler thread:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15211628#p15211628]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I fully expect this argument to be going on, in 2015.
I'd suggest we be more worried about GT racing returning to a predictable formula of ITT domination, sparodic attacks on the odd MTF and a train pulling the legs off all the climbing opposition over the cols.
Unless, of course, Ricco comes back and has become a super, butt kicking trialist.
Why not? Anything is possible in this sport? :roll:Contador is the Greatest0 -
To see a truly great thread-wrecker in the wild, have a butcher's at the Quintana Discussion thread on another well known forum.
Strangely enough I'd never been to those threads before. What a pleasure to see some old favourites....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
There has been a lot of cruel jones thrown at Digger_Forum on twitter.
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That they are academically challenged
That they are psychologically flawed
That their obsession is similar to 'truther'/'free energy'/'alien' conspiracy theorists.
I hope they can put this all to bed, by being transparent and revealing their identity.
They have also not given a timeframe for when they stopped beating their wife.0 -
That their obsession is similar to 'truther'/'free energy'/'alien' conspiracy theorists.[/list]
I've always found the mentality to be more akin to those who move in gamergater/MRA circles. Granted there are probably a few who straddle many horses in those particular stables.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
All the doping attention must be Dave's worst nightmare in sponsorship negotiations:
'We can't promise to win the Tour, but we guarantee to have the doper label around our necks if we do.'...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
While we’re on the topic of Contador does anyone remember when he won a pan flat 9 km prologue in Paris-Nice a few years ago against the like of TT heavyweights Wiggins, Martin (Tony no less) and Millar?!
These days he (and Froome) lose 50-58 seconds to the likes of Martin in 13 km pan flat TTs!
Ah yes, the one where Wiggins was riding into a headwind caused by the helicopter.stefrees wrote:afx237vi wrote:Why would Contador dope for Paris-Nice? Doesn't make sense.
no it doesn't. i dont want him to test positive as i actually like the guy. but this result just feels, well, ive felt this way before and its not a nice feeling
Contador has always been excellent in against the watch, After the ASO exclusion of last year he will want to send a message, which this victory would have.
His form is good and this is his second TT win of the year so its not that surprising.
Lance did his usual:
https://twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/1298544252
Brilliant, good work!
Just call me Nostradamus.
Funny post from the Spoiler thread:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15211628#p15211628]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I fully expect this argument to be going on, in 2015.
I'd suggest we be more worried about GT racing returning to a predictable formula of ITT domination, sparodic attacks on the odd MTF and a train pulling the legs off all the climbing opposition over the cols.
Unless, of course, Ricco comes back and has become a super, butt kicking trialist.
Why not? Anything is possible in this sport? :roll:
Just call me Nostradamus. :P"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Ooh I found another funny post in that thread!Funny post from the Spoiler thread:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15211628#p15211628]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I fully expect this argument to be going on, in 2015.
I'd suggest we be more worried about GT racing returning to a predictable formula of ITT domination, sparodic attacks on the odd MTF and a train pulling the legs off all the climbing opposition over the cols.
Unless, of course, Ricco comes back and has become a super, butt kicking trialist.
Why not? Anything is possible in this sport? :roll:
Guess who was doing the "extraordinary" seated attacking?"Look, he's just in the saddle, he didn't do anything, he just rides away. What an extraordinary piece of riding".
The guy's really good. Harmon, that is. 0 -
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As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.0
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Froome attacked fourteen minutes from the finish. Gesink attacked another 14 minutes before that. So Gesink spent twice as long without shelter than Froome (for about two thirds of the climb compared to a third). It's not just about what watts you have, it's when you use them.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659256#p19659256]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Hmm makes sense. Just saw a tweet from Digger proclaiming Gesink's figures to be some kind of earth shattering revelation. He does that a lot. Probably best to ignore him
Froome attacked fourteen minutes from the finish. Gesink attacked another 14 minutes before that. So Gesink spent twice as long without shelter than Froome (for about two thirds of the climb compared to a third). It's not just about what watts you have, it's when you use them.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659256#p19659256]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.0 -
I'm not spoiling the forum. This place would not be particularly interesting if I stopped posting. What are you adding that entices me to come here?
We can add a 'God Squad' section for non-believers?0 -
Ooh I found another funny post in that thread!Funny post from the Spoiler thread:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15211628#p15211628]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I fully expect this argument to be going on, in 2015.
I'd suggest we be more worried about GT racing returning to a predictable formula of ITT domination, sparodic attacks on the odd MTF and a train pulling the legs off all the climbing opposition over the cols.
Unless, of course, Ricco comes back and has become a super, butt kicking trialist.
Why not? Anything is possible in this sport? :roll:
Guess who was doing the "extraordinary" seated attacking?"Look, he's just in the saddle, he didn't do anything, he just rides away. What an extraordinary piece of riding".
The guy's really good. Harmon, that is.
Would that be Cancellara on the Muur from Flanders 2010?? Only watched it on YouTube the other week...All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
Contador, P-N 2009. Frenchie is a Contador fan (understatement of the century) and likes to take digs at Froome for making seated attacks, so I just thought this was amusing
Ooh I found another funny post in that thread!Funny post from the Spoiler thread:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=15211628#p15211628]Blazing Saddles[/url] wrote:I fully expect this argument to be going on, in 2015.
I'd suggest we be more worried about GT racing returning to a predictable formula of ITT domination, sparodic attacks on the odd MTF and a train pulling the legs off all the climbing opposition over the cols.
Unless, of course, Ricco comes back and has become a super, butt kicking trialist.
Why not? Anything is possible in this sport? :roll:
Guess who was doing the "extraordinary" seated attacking?"Look, he's just in the saddle, he didn't do anything, he just rides away. What an extraordinary piece of riding".
The guy's really good. Harmon, that is.
Would that be Cancellara on the Muur from Flanders 2010?? Only watched it on YouTube the other week...
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659274#p19659274]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:
Hmm makes sense. Just saw a tweet from Digger proclaiming Gesink's figures to be some kind of earth shattering revelation. He does that a lot. Probably best to ignore him
Froome attacked fourteen minutes from the finish. Gesink attacked another 14 minutes before that. So Gesink spent twice as long without shelter than Froome (for about two thirds of the climb compared to a third). It's not just about what watts you have, it's when you use them.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659256#p19659256]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.
How come you're only here for July?0 -
Think this is hugely disrespectful to froome. I believe he is simply the better athlete than any of his opponents. Sky also have massive fund and backing so the team is the most professional.0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659274#p19659274]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:
Hmm makes sense. Just saw a tweet from Digger proclaiming Gesink's figures to be some kind of earth shattering revelation. He does that a lot. Probably best to ignore him
Froome attacked fourteen minutes from the finish. Gesink attacked another 14 minutes before that. So Gesink spent twice as long without shelter than Froome (for about two thirds of the climb compared to a third). It's not just about what watts you have, it's when you use them.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659256#p19659256]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.
I would if I knew who Digger was ?0 -
For all their ramblings, the folks in the Clinic do raise some valid questions.
Mostly - about Froome's weight. It's unlikely that he actually weighs 67.5kg - and probably significantly less by the end of a hot stage. Of course, this could be easily verified with a set of scales, but that probably won't happen!
The "overestimation' of power by 6% due to the Asymmetric chainrings is also probably being generous.
But by releasing the data and stating his weight and this overestimation, they have come up with a very plausible set of figures to calm the storm.
I wonder if other teams (Movistar, Saxo, etc) are looking at the their own figures for the same part of the climb and nodding in agreement or calling BS quietly.0 -
Fairly sure you can manipulate the measurements from a power meter quite easily.
I think what they've said is valid. They've given all that info to UKAD, and UKAD weren't fussed.
I think it's a fool's game trying to work out if someone is doping by what they do on a bike. Defeats the point of sport in many respects.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659274#p19659274]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:
Hmm makes sense. Just saw a tweet from Digger proclaiming Gesink's figures to be some kind of earth shattering revelation. He does that a lot. Probably best to ignore him
Froome attacked fourteen minutes from the finish. Gesink attacked another 14 minutes before that. So Gesink spent twice as long without shelter than Froome (for about two thirds of the climb compared to a third). It's not just about what watts you have, it's when you use them.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659256#p19659256]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.
How come you're only here for July?
Thats the length of my attention span during the Summer months. (And because I created an account before, forgot the username after making about 2 posts and then lurked ever since :P )0 -
Can I add a theory for Froome's high cadence attacks? Riding in Kenya he would have been riding MTBS. Now there comes a point - actually it come quite quickly - where you reach the top of your 42x11 ish gear and so you have to spin. So it is poiible that Froome high cadence is a throwback.to that. I also recon that the elbows out position is due to that tooWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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+1 well said mate.Think this is hugely disrespectful to froome. I believe he is simply the better athlete than any of his opponents. Sky also have massive fund and backing so the team is the most professional.'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP0 -
Can I add a theory for Froome's high cadence attacks? Riding in Kenya he would have been riding MTBS. Now there comes a point - actually it come quite quickly - where you reach the top of your 42x11 ish gear and so you have to spin. So it is poiible that Froome high cadence is a throwback.to that. I also recon that the elbows out position is due to that too
See also: Evans. Think Peraud might be another who is all elbows when on the limit.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
To add more to this Gesink's coach has stated that for the climb was 5.85w/kg as opposed to Froome's stated 5.78w/kg, which for a 70kg man is a difference of 5 Watts. By contrast drafting behind a single rider on a climb at 20kph is said to save around 25 Watts.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659274#p19659274]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:
Hmm makes sense. Just saw a tweet from Digger proclaiming Gesink's figures to be some kind of earth shattering revelation. He does that a lot. Probably best to ignore him
Froome attacked fourteen minutes from the finish. Gesink attacked another 14 minutes before that. So Gesink spent twice as long without shelter than Froome (for about two thirds of the climb compared to a third). It's not just about what watts you have, it's when you use them.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19659256#p19659256]JustHereForJuly[/url] wrote:As someone who doesn't have a clue about all this data, can someone explain how it's possible that Gesink's W/KG was at 5.7/8 whereas Froome's is at around the same? Not implying anything as I believe Sky to be clean, I'm just genuinely interested.
I'm not going to do the sums - I don't know how. I suspect that Froome's actual power was maybe slightly higher (Stages claim a 5% error, not the 6% Kerrison does - which would Froome on parity with Gesink). Which means that Froome's 14 minutes of extra drafting lead to an extra 1 min 33? Seems to be realistic to me. (Other factors would have contributed as well - that's where the marginal gains can contribute a few more watts saving)Twitter: @RichN950 -
Paul Kimmage continues to have his doubts but he is softening (a little)........
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/paul-kimmage-chris-froome-could-be-one-of-the-greatest-riders-of-all-time-but-questions-remain-31394433.html
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Presumably we are all assuming that, when comparing to 10 years ago, the bikes are a) the same weight and b) transfer the power into the road in the same fashion.
And all the kit they wear is no lighter. Nor are the wheels more aerodynamicly efficient.0
