Paolini done for cocaine
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I'm not really up to speed with the science of doping. Why would cocaine be used while blood doping? To dilate the blood vessels?
The cocaine may have been in the blood - coincidentally - at the time it was withdrawn. No-one seems to know anything about concentrations of the banned substance so the blood-bag consensus is pure conjecture at this point.
Separately, does anyone know if the so called micro-dosing method of avoiding detection means that riders must inject while on the Tour for fear that their parameters drift too much?
Well the obvious question is - if you're not going to dope for the tour, is there any point in doping at all?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Well the obvious question is - if you're not going to dope for the tour, is there any point in doping at all?
There's the potential to increase your endurance through training load to counter a competitor's superior peak power. (Which is what I thought was being suggested by the 'thinking doperati' [too plural perhaps]. The idea that Tour hotels are full of syringes, invisible I/Vs, and blind journalists is too fanciful.)...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
I wonder how dish_dash is doing right now...
Yeah, managed to avoid the news most of yesterday. Sh*t happens. Humans do silly things. Still remains my man. Boonen fans shouldn't be casting aspersions...0 -
Reading this thread I can't believe I haven't seen one person post that Paolini himself has denied taking cocaine.Contador is the Greatest0
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That's because pretty much every rider who gets positive for anything denies it straight away. History says very varely you can take a busted rider's words seriously.0
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Reading this thread I can't believe I haven't seen one person post that Paolini himself has denied taking cocaine.
Did he actually?! The translation on twitter was hard to decipher.0 -
Reading this thread I can't believe I haven't seen one person post that Paolini himself has denied taking cocaine.
Did he actually?! The translation on twitter was hard to decipher.
He said some very good things for someone in his position but yes he said he never took cocaine.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/paolini-apologises-for-damage-done-by-cocaine-positiveContador is the Greatest0 -
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+1That is one way of looking at it. But what do you say to the parents of young people who have died from recreational drug-taking? Recently, two young people here in Ireland died after they took some dodgy ecstasy. Two teenagers dead because they weren't "boring nerds".
I choose not to put this sh1t in my body because you simply don't know what it is you're taking. Have you ever met the people who import cocaine into our countries? I have and they are absolute scum. God knows what it is they are mixing in with the coke to get more of your money into their hands. They don't care about the quality of the product, they just want your cash. Personally, I would hate to see my hard-earned cash end up in some scum-bag's pocket. Did your coke come into the country in a condom in somebody's stomach or up their tail-end? Keep that in mind the next time you hoover up a few lines! :shock:
If you are stupid enough to take recreational drugs, you have to be prepared to accept the consequences. Paolini has thrown it all away for a high. I'll bet he isn't feeling too smart now.
DD.
+1i'm a boring old nerd, never done drugs or smoked. like a little drink but don't like getting drunk.
I'm also fitter than many of my contemporaries and also still alive and free. I have managed not to fry my brain or ruin my liver or kidneys nor ruin my marriage or my kids lives.
there are only two things that i can say i'm addicted to, riding my bikes and keeping a very healthy sex life with my wife.
I have never taken any drugs or even taken one pull of a cigarette.
For those that want to categorize me and others like me as losers, nerds, boring, etc, you:
-need to expand your perspective on life.
-need to stop putting others down to make yourself feel better about your weaknesses.
-need to understand how much exponentially better this World would be if drugs didn't exist. Not going into the plethora reasons here but google can help you.
I am better looking, fitter, more intelligent, richer, have a better job, have better morals and principles, am happier and generally have a much better life than the average person and drugs have not helped me achieve any of that.
So you druggies (recreational or addicts) can take your opinions and suck on them until your dentures fall out and you lose what renmnats of mental ability you have left.Contador is the Greatest0 -
High-wire trip you're on there. Chapeau....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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High-wire trip you're on there. Chapeau.
FF doesn't need drugs. He's utterly delusional already.
Drugs: take them or don't take them, but don't get judgemental either way.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
High-wire trip you're on there. Chapeau.
FF doesn't need drugs.
Drugs: take them or don't take them, but don't get judgemental either way.
If you need something, it suggest the lack of something. Sad life to need drugs to obtain that something.
The problem is drugs are like murder and crime etc. There is no positive attributed to them. So yes, you must judge them in the negative if you are in favour of a better World.Contador is the Greatest0 -
High-wire trip you're on there. Chapeau.
FF doesn't need drugs.
Drugs: take them or don't take them, but don't get judgemental either way.
If you need something, it suggest the lack of something. Sad life to need drugs to obtain that something.
The problem is drugs are like murder and crime etc. There is no positive attributed to them. So yes, you must judge them in the negative if you are in favour of a better World.
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High-wire trip you're on there. Chapeau.
FF doesn't need drugs.
Drugs: take them or don't take them, but don't get judgemental either way.
If you need something, it suggest the lack of something. Sad life to need drugs to obtain that something.
The problem is drugs are like murder and crime etc. There is no positive attributed to them. So yes, you must judge them in the negative if you are in favour of a better World.
Your choice not to do drugs, apart from those that are deemed socially acceptable such as alcohol, is yours and yours alone. No problem, though hypocritical every time you have a glass of wine or a beer. Your moralising is, however, both ignorant and deeply offensive.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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Gloss over the problems in one sweeping statement.
There is no positive justification for drugs however hard you try.
Other people doing drugs affects me, my country and this World. Massively.
Sit down and think deeply what problems would go away if you removed drugs from this World. It is quite mind blowingly extensive.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Gloss over the problems in one sweeping statement.
There is no positive justification for drugs however hard you try.
Other people doing drugs affects me, my country and this World. Massively.
Sit down and think deeply what problems would go away if you removed drugs from this World. It is quite mind blowingly extensive.
Most of the problems with drugs are directly caused by prohibition. The attempt to remove drugs from the world has been a mind blowingly extensive cock-up. Mainly perpetrated by ignorant, narrow minded moralists, like yourself.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I assume you're not including all the myriad drugs used routinely in modern medical science in that "one sweeping statement" you just made, right? So what sort of drugs are we talking about here? Potentially addictive ones? Pretty sure there are some very useful medical drugs that fall under that category, eg morphine.Gloss over the problems in one sweeping statement.
There is no positive justification for drugs however hard you try.
Other people doing drugs affects me, my country and this World. Massively.
Sit down and think deeply what problems would go away if you removed drugs from this World. It is quite mind blowingly extensive.
Many of the problems you refer to are almost entirely byproducts of people who share your attitude trying to ban them. You can't stuff that genie back in the bottle.0 -
Regardless of whether you would judge him on the morality of it, it's pretty reasonable to judge him for taking an easily detectable banned substance close to competition. Pretty damn stupid.0
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frenchfighter wrote:
I am better looking, fitter, more intelligent, richer, have a better job, have better morals and principles, am happier and generally have a much better life than the average person and drugs have not helped me achieve any of that.
So you druggies (recreational or addicts) can take your opinions and suck on them until your dentures fall out and you lose what renmnats of mental ability you have left.
You forgot 'more modest'
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Reading this thread I can't believe I haven't seen one person post that Paolini himself has denied taking cocaine.
As well as his denial though, he has also apologised to his team-mates and ASO. An innocent man has nothing to apologise for. It seems he has denied taking cocaine and at the same time apologised for doing something wrong. The B Sample will tell the truth.
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I drink occasionally, smoked a couple of times., gave Keith Richards a run for his money in hospital for an operation.0
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Of course, here on this very forum we have an entire 23 page thread dedicated to our own consumption of recreational drugs... viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12845369
Interesting to note some of the druggies that appear on it:I'm a big Chimay bleu fan.
Looks like Sagan is too:
I've just had lunch and had to stop myself bringing a beer back to the office.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Regardless of whether you would judge him on the morality of it, it's pretty reasonable to judge him for taking an easily detectable banned substance close to competition. Pretty damn stupid.
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At the end of the day, if it can be detected 25 days after taking it then it could have been a perfectly reasonable night off/out for Paolini. You can imagine him thinking that x number of beers or glasses of wine (or anything else Frenchie considers acceptable) will be Y hundred calories or I can have a sniff of this fat reducing calorie free powder which will have the same effect anyway.
It's not smart but it's far from an uncommon decision for your average personWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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No tA Doctor, alcohol and drugs are not the same and have different impacts, despite the former having serious social and economic negatives.
Lumping them together is just another justification used by druggies to make themselves feel better about their weaknesses.Contador is the Greatest0 -
I do like the 'You shouldn't do that and I don't do that brigade'. According to the ONS:
8416 deaths by alcohol in 2013 (latest figures).
2955 deaths by drug poisoning in 2013.
1713 deaths by all user groups involving cars in 2103, just to put it into some kind of context.
Alcohol is legal yet causes 3 times the number of deaths than drug addiction. The difference is an odd quirk of moral relativism. In Holland, hard drug abuse peaked sightly after legalisation but soon fell back to the same levels before it was legalised (0.5%, compared to 1.5% in the US). So, legalising it would allow us some control. Drug trafficking is associated and funds a myriad of other crimes, so separating illegal drug trafficking from other illegal activities would go a long way to reducing other crimes.
Nixon declared a war on drugs way back in 72(?) and it has never worked all because he tried to capture the support of the do-gooding bible bashing moralists. Mexico is a mess because of North America's now insatiable appetite for drugs. The harder the Americans try to outlaw and increase the penalties, the worse the problem gets.
Drug abuse is a symptom of modern life and a sad indictment of it.
Cocaine has no long term performance enhancing properties, quite the opposite in fact. So for Paolini, he is just a silly boy and it is sad that he took cocaine and felt the need to. To make huge moral judgements and conclusions about him is just plain hypocrisy.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/cocaine/what-are-short-term-effects-cocaine-use
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health4/alcohol-related-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom/2013/stb---alcohol-related-deaths-in-the-united-kingdom--registered-in-2013.html
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/subnational-health3/deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning/england-and-wales---2013/stb---deaths-related-to-drug-poisoning-in-england-and-wales--2013.html
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Netherlands_v_US#sthash.ztoLR1XI.dpbsseanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
No tA Doctor, alcohol and drugs are not the same and have different impacts, despite the former having serious social and economic negatives.
Lumping them together is just another justification used by druggies to make themselves feel better about their weaknesses.
Alcohol and drugs are exactly the same, and have similar impacts, despite the latter having fewer social and economic negatives. Trying to artificially separate them is just another justification used by small minded moralists to make themselves feel better about their hypocrisy.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor, alcohol and drugs are not the same and have different impacts, despite the former having serious social and economic negatives.
Lumping them together is just another justification used by druggies to make themselves feel better about their weaknesses.
Agree, FF doesn't need drugs
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Not sure why people are throwing around 'moralist' as a negative. Quite laughable really. Again probably just a defence mechanism from those lacking in several areas of their life.
Thanks for all the facts and figures pinarello. I am well aware of all of them and more.
I have deliberately not gone into the hashing out of the question as think that is better served elsewhere on this forum.Contador is the Greatest0
