No More Porte-a-Cabin
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Look at it from the team's point of view.Thing about these other sports referenced that used RVs is that they are based on a course/circuit where you show up for a long weekend. The parking space is available and the logistics are pretty straightforward.
Trying to add RVs to the rest of vehicles that accompany a GT is both logistically and economically a major challenge.
Agree that more pressure ought to be put to ensure a basic minimum standard of accommodation. But as I understand it, at least at the TdF, ASO have a ranking system and the accommodation quality is fairly spread out across the teams. It's not ideal, but it's a fairer approach than just letting the rich teams get the best places all the time.
Their sponsors invest nearly £20m a year. They employ 50 staff who all work their nuts off. The riders make great sacrifices with their personal lives to train staying away from families for long periods.
And then, on the eve of the queen stage of the biggest race of the year - the focus of all this money, effort and sacrifice - the organiser, which has makes annual profits of E40m puts their star rider in a bed not fit for student halls of resident.
How is that acceptable?Twitter: @RichN950 -
It is not acceptable obviously. But the solution isn't an RV.Contador is the Greatest0
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It is not acceptable obviously. But the solution isn't an RV.
But if the organisers won't address the issue and there's no rule against it, why shouldn't the teams try to innovate?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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The teams should influence the organizers more.Contador is the Greatest0
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So what. All teams at the Tour have multi million pound budgets. This is not an amateur sport. It never was.Then GTF with the knighthoods. It may have escaped your notice that some people follow cycling precisely because it lacks some of the nauseating excesses of F1, tennis etc.
Sky are in the business of winning races, not pandering to whatever distorted image of the sport you have constructed for yourself.
That's the Brailsford creed: it has no value unless it can be captured in a spreadsheet. That's the point where some people's imaginations kick-in, not the extent of their aspirations. Poor dismal Dave....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Look at it from the team's point of view.Thing about these other sports referenced that used RVs is that they are based on a course/circuit where you show up for a long weekend. The parking space is available and the logistics are pretty straightforward.
Trying to add RVs to the rest of vehicles that accompany a GT is both logistically and economically a major challenge.
Agree that more pressure ought to be put to ensure a basic minimum standard of accommodation. But as I understand it, at least at the TdF, ASO have a ranking system and the accommodation quality is fairly spread out across the teams. It's not ideal, but it's a fairer approach than just letting the rich teams get the best places all the time.
Their sponsors invest nearly £20m a year. They employ 50 staff who all work their nuts off. The riders make great sacrifices with their personal lives to train staying away from families for long periods.
And then, on the eve of the queen stage of the biggest race of the year - the focus of all this money, effort and sacrifice - the organiser, which has makes annual profits of E40m puts their star rider in a bed not fit for student halls of resident.
How is that acceptable?
If the issue is the bed, most of the teams already take their own mattresses (and I assume bedding) anyway...0 -
So what. All teams at the Tour have multi million pound budgets. This is not an amateur sport. It never was.Then GTF with the knighthoods. It may have escaped your notice that some people follow cycling precisely because it lacks some of the nauseating excesses of F1, tennis etc.
Sky are in the business of winning races, not pandering to whatever distorted image of the sport you have constructed for yourself.
That's the Brailsford creed: it has no value unless it can be captured in a spreadsheet. That's the point where some people's imaginations kick-in, not the extent of their aspirations. Poor dismal Dave.
Scientific method eh? Repeatable results? Never catch on."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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That post means absolutely nothing.
So what. All teams at the Tour have multi million pound budgets. This is not an amateur sport. It never was.Then GTF with the knighthoods. It may have escaped your notice that some people follow cycling precisely because it lacks some of the nauseating excesses of F1, tennis etc.
Sky are in the business of winning races, not pandering to whatever distorted image of the sport you have constructed for yourself.
That's the Brailsford creed: it has no value unless it can be captured in a spreadsheet. That's the point where some people's imaginations kick-in, not the extent of their aspirations. Poor dismal Dave.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Have a look at Froome's timeline. Like an audition for Holiday Watchdog.Inspiring stuff.
Give it a rest. The Tour hasn't even started yet, and you're the only one trying to incite anything as far as I can tell...Britain's cycling guru's main contribution to this year's tour is to incite a row about privilege. Pathetic....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Excel is a bit clumsy on my phone. It's pretty straightforward.
That post means absolutely nothing.
So what. All teams at the Tour have multi million pound budgets. This is not an amateur sport. It never was.Then GTF with the knighthoods. It may have escaped your notice that some people follow cycling precisely because it lacks some of the nauseating excesses of F1, tennis etc.
Sky are in the business of winning races, not pandering to whatever distorted image of the sport you have constructed for yourself.
That's the Brailsford creed: it has no value unless it can be captured in a spreadsheet. That's the point where some people's imaginations kick-in, not the extent of their aspirations. Poor dismal Dave....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19634986#p19634986]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:
Scientific method eh? Repeatable results? Never catch on.
Zero GT stage wins in 2014. The man and his methods are beyond reproach. I've just mislaid my passion for logistics....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
The teams should influence the organizers more.
Yeah, it's worked really well for the PL and F1 hasn't it*.
*if you really want the rich to get richer then that's what you're looking at!Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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I've never looked at his timeline, because contrary to how you apparently feel I don't think world class athletes also need to have incredibly interesting or "inspiring" personal lives to make their achievements mean something. Lots of pro athletes have boring or even outright unpleasant personalities, it's not a bloody crime.
Have a look at Froome's timeline. Like an audition for Holiday Watchdog.Inspiring stuff.
Give it a rest. The Tour hasn't even started yet, and you're the only one trying to incite anything as far as I can tell...Britain's cycling guru's main contribution to this year's tour is to incite a row about privilege. Pathetic.
You spend so much time now moaning about Sky and their supposed everything-by-the-numbers approach that it's getting to be as bad as Joel and his doping routine. We get it, you don't like Sky. Message received.0 -
If the business model of a sport is, as cycling is, reliant on the participants funding themselves (and thereby allowing the organisers to minimize the amount they give them) then there is no scope to complain when there is a disparity in wealth.The teams should influence the organizers more.
Yeah, it's worked really well for the PL and F1 hasn't it*.
*if you really want the rich to get richer then that's what you're looking at!Twitter: @RichN950 -
Too many RV's/Mobile Homes have appeared with Pro Cycle Racing this century.
Trying to add RVs to the rest of vehicles that accompany a GT is both logistically and economically a major challenge.
For what do they gain by waiting for up to 3 days in one spot watching their TV's, just to act as bufoons as a camera and the race comes by. (look mum I'm here, who's a clever dickhead mum)
It was better (harder) to go by bike with a tent on the back and get Info from a Frenchman's Radio.
Have you seen this years TDF Road Book because all the Team Hotels are listed for each stage. :roll:Agree that more pressure ought to be put to ensure a basic minimum standard of accommodation. But as I understand it, at least at the TdF, ASO have a ranking system and the accommodation quality is fairly spread out across the teams. It's not ideal, but it's a fairer approach than just letting the rich teams get the best places all the time.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
I've never looked at his timeline, because contrary to how you apparently feel I don't think world class athletes also need to have incredibly interesting or "inspiring" personal lives to make their achievements mean something. Lots of pro athletes have boring or even outright unpleasant personalities, it's not a bloody crime.
You spend so much time now moaning about Sky and their supposed everything-by-the-numbers approach that it's getting to be as bad as Joel and his doping routine. We get it, you don't like Sky. Message received.
Hard to see how you're so sure I'm the only one making a fuss. Then you made stuff up about what I feel about people's personalities.
Fair enough, otherwise, except that there isn't much racing going on at the moment, and Team Excel have gone big on the caravan of injustice. Cry me a river....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
I've never looked at his timeline, because contrary to how you apparently feel I don't think world class athletes also need to have incredibly interesting or "inspiring" personal lives to make their achievements mean something. Lots of pro athletes have boring or even outright unpleasant personalities, it's not a bloody crime.
You spend so much time now moaning about Sky and their supposed everything-by-the-numbers approach that it's getting to be as bad as Joel and his doping routine. We get it, you don't like Sky. Message received.
Hard to see how you're so sure I'm the only one making a fuss. Then you made stuff up about what I feel about people's personalities.
Fair enough, otherwise, except that there isn't much racing going on at the moment, and Team Excel have gone big on the caravan of injustice. Cry me a river.
Hve they? Because I haven't seen them doing any complaining"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Team Excel have gone big on the caravan of injustice. Cry me a river.
Bash Sky as much as you like, but lay off Excel!0 -
Team Excel have gone big on the caravan of injustice. Cry me a river.
Bash Sky as much as you like, but lay off Excel!
And logistics. I love both.0 -
Oh it's quite easy to be sure. You just have to look for the posts rambling about how awful Sky are and realise how often "Macaloon" appears next to them.I've never looked at his timeline, because contrary to how you apparently feel I don't think world class athletes also need to have incredibly interesting or "inspiring" personal lives to make their achievements mean something. Lots of pro athletes have boring or even outright unpleasant personalities, it's not a bloody crime.
You spend so much time now moaning about Sky and their supposed everything-by-the-numbers approach that it's getting to be as bad as Joel and his doping routine. We get it, you don't like Sky. Message received.
Hard to see how you're so sure I'm the only one making a fuss. Then you made stuff up about what I feel about people's personalities.
As for making stuff up, let me quote you again: "Like an audition for Holiday Watchdog.Inspiring stuff." - maybe it's just me but that seems like a pretty clear indicator of your opinion on Froome and Sky in general, as if we didn't have enough evidence for that already. If you see the whole team as some sort of monolithic ultra-conservative grey-coloured excitement-absorbing inspiration-draining parasite sucking on the body of pro cycling then that's entirely up to you, I just don't understand what dragging it into every discussion is intended to achieve.0 -
Team Excel have gone big on the caravan of injustice. Cry me a river.
Bash Sky as much as you like, but lay off Excel!
And logistics. I love both.
Count yer blessings. The resistance is going underground for a while. Might hone its debating skills on the Scientology forums....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
This is nothing but money talking.
The organisers of the Tour market each stage to the regions involved on the basis they will get loads of cash back from hotels being full of Pro teams, jounos etc.
A region then pays the Tour organisers a lump of cash to host that stage.
Job done.
Now take out the fact that teams wont be using local services like hotels instead supplying their own mobile houses. No money for the locals. Nobody kicking about outside hotels spending wonga.
The Tour put pressure on the UCI, the UCI jumped and low and behold, an instand ban comes into play.
Money. Pure and simple.
Its a shame the UCI cant jump as quick when it comes to reducing bike weight limits, disc brakes and everything else that would take the sport forward.0 -
The hotel room is still paid for. It's just not used for sleeping in. Teams use all the other hotel facilities - kitchen etc. And even if riders didn't use hotels, they are only 200 of a few thousand people on the Tour.This is nothing but money talking.
The organisers of the Tour market each stage to the regions involved on the basis they will get loads of cash back from hotels being full of Pro teams, jounos etc.
A region then pays the Tour organisers a lump of cash to host that stage.
Job done.
Now take out the fact that teams wont be using local services like hotels instead supplying their own mobile houses. No money for the locals. Nobody kicking about outside hotels spending wonga.
The Tour put pressure on the UCI, the UCI jumped and low and behold, an instand ban comes into play.
Money. Pure and simple.
Its a shame the UCI cant jump as quick when it comes to reducing bike weight limits, disc brakes and everything else that would take the sport forward.Twitter: @RichN950 -
This is nothing but money talking.
The organisers of the Tour market each stage to the regions involved on the basis they will get loads of cash back from hotels being full of Pro teams, jounos etc.
A region then pays the Tour organisers a lump of cash to host that stage.
Job done.
Now take out the fact that teams wont be using local services like hotels instead supplying their own mobile houses. No money for the locals. Nobody kicking about outside hotels spending wonga.
The Tour put pressure on the UCI, the UCI jumped and low and behold, an instand ban comes into play.
Money. Pure and simple.
Its a shame the UCI cant jump as quick when it comes to reducing bike weight limits, disc brakes and everything else that would take the sport forward.
Errrr.... even if they put all the riders in motorhomes, at 200 riders, 2 to a room, that's 100 hundred rooms, for a single night (usually), that could otherwise be sold to tourists. And I doubt a few fans hanging about hoping to meet a rider contribute all that much either.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
@Sam_Davis_22
Planning on sleeping on the floor again
@chrisfroome 8h8 hours ago
Chris Froome retweeted Sam Davis
Well spotted @Sam_Davis_22! Yes I'm sleeping on the floor again #marginallosses #TDF2015
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It looks like the Porte-a-Cabin was returned to the Bat Cave after the Giro for an overhaul. It has now re-emerged as the SKY Chip Van!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/nicolas-roche-tour-de-france-diary-every-single-day-in-this-first-week-is-a-potentially-risky-one-31351110.html
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