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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,601
    Giraffoto wrote:
    I'm frankly amazed at the voting restriction that's been added - if I'd just heard that "a political party" was only letting people vote on the leader if they stumped up £25, Labour wouldn't have been my first guess.
    It is New Labour.
    Kind of like the Tories, but with a red rosette.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,445
    Giraffoto wrote:
    I'm frankly amazed at the voting restriction that's been added - if I'd just heard that "a political party" was only letting people vote on the leader if they stumped up £25, Labour wouldn't have been my first guess.

    Not that surprising given the number of people who've reportedly stumped up £3 just to get Corbyn in and deliberately damage Labour's chances.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,445
    Lol

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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Now that Corbyn is on the ballot paper he is highly likely to win. If so, a split is on the cards unless the PLP is prepared to resign themselves to electoral oblivion at the next GE.

    A merger like the one suggested above may soon be a very real choice.

    I just don't see electoral oblivion. Most are in constituencies where a wheelie bin with a red rosette would get elected.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Giraffoto wrote:
    I'm frankly amazed at the voting restriction that's been added - if I'd just heard that "a political party" was only letting people vote on the leader if they stumped up £25, Labour wouldn't have been my first guess.

    Not that surprising given the number of people who've reportedly stumped up £3 just to get Corbyn in and deliberately damage Labour's chances.
    Who would do a thing like that?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    Cameron's comparison at PMQ of Corbyn with The Black Knight from the Holy Grail was quite amusing. Carry on - 'tis but a flesh wound... :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Giraffoto wrote:
    I'm frankly amazed at the voting restriction that's been added - if I'd just heard that "a political party" was only letting people vote on the leader if they stumped up £25, Labour wouldn't have been my first guess.

    Not that surprising given the number of people who've reportedly stumped up £3 just to get Corbyn in and deliberately damage Labour's chances.
    Who would do a thing like that?

    oh that really is asking for a rather rude reply isnt it? thankfully i dont know anyone who would stoop so low :lol:

    do you meet the criteria? :wink:
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    mamba80 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Giraffoto wrote:
    I'm frankly amazed at the voting restriction that's been added - if I'd just heard that "a political party" was only letting people vote on the leader if they stumped up £25, Labour wouldn't have been my first guess.

    Not that surprising given the number of people who've reportedly stumped up £3 just to get Corbyn in and deliberately damage Labour's chances.
    Who would do a thing like that?

    oh that really is asking for a rather rude reply isnt it? thankfully i dont know anyone who would stoop so low :lol:

    do you meet the criteria? :wink:
    I paid my £3 over a year ago, so looks like I do :) But I haven't decided who to vote for yet - what do you reckon?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    You know what i think, your not a Labour party supporter....... or are you more of a Putin type? vehemently anti labour whilst harbouring secret socialist desires?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    mamba80 wrote:
    You know what i think, your not a Labour party supporter....... or are you more of a Putin type? vehemently anti labour whilst harbouring secret socialist desires?
    I think you know the answer to that.

    Labour appear to be on the edge of a precipice so if I can give them a little push I will going us all a favour :wink:

    Which one of the three would you vote for?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,933
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Labour appear to be on the edge of a precipice so if I can give them a little push I will going us all a favour
    Just to be really boring, who you vote for really depends if you think politics works well without a credible opposition to the party in power.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Labour appear to be on the edge of a precipice so if I can give them a little push I will going us all a favour
    Just to be really boring, who you vote for really depends if you think politics works well without a credible opposition to the party in power.
    I think that debate was had about 100 pages back.

    Happy with a decent opposition, just don't want them anywhere near being in power. As implied by the thread title :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    You know what i think, your not a Labour party supporter....... or are you more of a Putin type? vehemently anti labour whilst harbouring secret socialist desires?
    I think you know the answer to that.

    Labour appear to be on the edge of a precipice so if I can give them a little push I will going us all a favour :wink:

    Which one of the three would you vote for?

    Angela Eagle, i ve seen her at PMQ's gave DC as good as he got, something Corbyn couldnt do.

    tbh more concerned about who is in power, Liam Fox... basically a criminal who fraudulently claimed £3k and allowed a man 17 years his junior to attend security briefings, forced to resign as defence sec after admitting "errors of judgment" any of us would now have a criminal record, he is now back in the cabinet ffs and BJ .... a clown for f/sec

    Got to question Mays judgement tbh, though perhaps this was the price for the MPs support?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    Some chap who has donated £400k to the Labour party is threatening legal action over the decision to allow Corbyn to stand. He might have done better to donate the funds to start a new party. Still, I never really understand how anyone can like a political party that much that they would donate £400k.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,445
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Labour appear to be on the edge of a precipice so if I can give them a little push I will going us all a favour
    Just to be really boring, who you vote for really depends if you think politics works well without a credible opposition to the party in power.
    I think that debate was had about 100 pages back.

    Happy with a decent opposition, just don't want them anywhere near being in power. As implied by the thread title :wink:
    But with Corbyn and their current shenanigans they aren't even that.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,933
    I can't see any way out of the current impasse anyway - it really is two parties, who completely distrust and disrespect each other. I think the only game to play for now is which part keeps the name 'Labour', and any assets it has. I'd guess it'll be the Momentum/Corbyn side, as they have 'membership' support, but they will then end up with a tiny parliamentary presence after the next election, as most of the current lot of MPs can't carry on with it. The PLP is talking to the LibDems, in the tea rooms, I imagine - they probably have a lot more in common than with Labourentum.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    I can't see any way out of the current impasse anyway - it really is two parties, who completely distrust and disrespect each other. I think the only game to play for now is which part keeps the name 'Labour', and any assets it has. I'd guess it'll be the Momentum/Corbyn side, as they have 'membership' support, but they will then end up with a tiny parliamentary presence after the next election, as most of the current lot of MPs can't carry on with it. The PLP is talking to the LibDems, in the tea rooms, I imagine - they probably have a lot more in common than with Labourentum.
    Agree with that.

    If the Corbyn faction were being honest they would let the mainstream part of the PLP have the Labour name and rebrand themselves more accurately as the Socialist Workers Party. They could then drift off into the electoral obscurity they so richly deserve, safe in the knowledge that they are ideologically pure.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    The Eagle has landed.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between Corbyn and some bloke we've never heard of until last week. What a choice.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Garry H wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY

    Most people would have heard of Corbyn - in the same way they will have heard of Dennis Skinner or George Galloway - ie all negative.
  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Garry H wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY

    Most people would have heard of Corbyn - in the same way they will have heard of Dennis Skinner or George Galloway - ie all negative.

    Wouldn't have said he was well known as the other two you mention, not by a long shot.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    Garry H wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY

    Most people would have heard of Corbyn - in the same way they will have heard of Dennis Skinner or George Galloway - ie all negative.
    I had heard of him well before he was put forward for the leadership position, but had ignored him as he was a hard left irrelevance. So not a lot has changed really.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Garry H wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY

    Most people would have heard of Corbyn - in the same way they will have heard of Dennis Skinner or George Galloway - ie all negative.

    Wouldn't have said he was well known as the other two you mention, not by a long shot.

    I grew up in a Guardian reading household so maybe I have just learnt that I have an unusual level of knowledge about oddball lefties in the 1980s
  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Garry H wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY

    Most people would have heard of Corbyn - in the same way they will have heard of Dennis Skinner or George Galloway - ie all negative.

    Wouldn't have said he was well known as the other two you mention, not by a long shot.

    I grew up in a Guardian reading household so maybe I have just learnt that I have an unusual level of knowledge about oddball lefties in the 1980s

    He didn't even have a Spitting Image puppet :wink:
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Garry H wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    Garry H wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The Eagle has crash landed.
    FTFY.

    So the contest is now between a bloke we'd never heard of until a week before he was elected leader and some bloke we'd never heard of until last week. What a choice.

    FTFY

    Most people would have heard of Corbyn - in the same way they will have heard of Dennis Skinner or George Galloway - ie all negative.

    Wouldn't have said he was well known as the other two you mention, not by a long shot.

    I grew up in a Guardian reading household so maybe I have just learnt that I have an unusual level of knowledge about oddball lefties in the 1980s

    He didn't even have a Spitting Image puppet :wink:

    Maybe because he is impossible to parody
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    Anyone see PMQs today? May's comparison of Corbyn with an unscrupulous boss was good. Doesn't listen to his workers, makes them do more than one job for the same pay and exploits the rules to further his own career :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Anyone see PMQs today? May's comparison of Corbyn with an unscrupulous boss was good. Doesn't listen to his workers, makes them do more than one job for the same pay and exploits the rules to further his own career :)

    Even the Guardianistas acknowlwdge that she got off to a flyer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ions-panel
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,965
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Anyone see PMQs today? May's comparison of Corbyn with an unscrupulous boss was good. Doesn't listen to his workers, makes them do more than one job for the same pay and exploits the rules to further his own career :)

    Even the Guardianistas acknowlwdge that she got off to a flyer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ions-panel
    I think she will do well. Didn't have to try too hard to rip Corbyn to shreds today.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    JC banging on about the miners strike 30 odd years ago. Who says he isn't stuck in a time warp?
    Vote Corbyn for leader.