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Interesring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
From what I have read, it sounds like the Labour leaders are not happy with the right wing derailing things.Interesring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
They are not happy with the left wing derailing things.
Is it simply a case of - It's our Party and we want it run the way we want it run?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
From what I have read, it sounds like the Labour leaders are not happy with the right wing derailing things.Interesring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
They are not happy with the left wing derailing things.
Is it simply a case of - It's our Party and we want it run the way we want it run?
No, these sort of tactics should nt happen but the change to make the party more democratic has allowed this.
The existing leadership are too tainted to be credible any longer and have lost touch with their voters, i suspect Labour need another election defeat and then some high calibre leadership candidates to come forward.
Great racing in Paris though, esp Vos's reaction
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I suspect they will get at least one more election defeat before anyone will come forward who can make them potentially electable again.
From what I have read, it sounds like the Labour leaders are not happy with the right wing derailing things.Interesring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
They are not happy with the left wing derailing things.
Is it simply a case of - It's our Party and we want it run the way we want it run?
No, these sort of tactics should nt happen but the change to make the party more democratic has allowed this.
The existing leadership are too tainted to be credible any longer and have lost touch with their voters, i suspect Labour need another election defeat and then some high calibre leadership candidates to come forward.
Great racing in Paris though, esp Vos's reaction
Given that recent polls show Corbyn has a decent chance of winning, the Labour establishment are getting worried. A lot of them will remember what happened to the party in the 70's and 80' when the party drifted to the left. They are also aware that quite a few voters can remember it as well. Although Corbyn himself has not held any position of influence in central government (I believe), this article recalling life in Haringey when Corbyn was a member of the council should give us a taste of what to expect if we ever find ourselves in 'Corbyn World":
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11762773/Ive-lived-under-Jeremy-Corbyns-rule-it-turned-me-into-a-Tory.html
No wonder the Tories want him to be Labour leader...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sure the press will drag up articles about corbyn being a left wing nutter and this is the left's problem.
I dont see articles on tory mp's leaders with their right wing views when they were in the young conservatives? unless the john bercow's expense account scandal counts? how much for a 1 mile jorney ????? do the Telegraph/times/Sun give this story prominance?
I think labour need a leader, centre (what ever that is) or left wing that will galvanise support from the 66% that dont vote tory, they need too because they no longer have the 50 odd seats from Scotland.
Young people have little chance of buying a home, lower class kids in state education have poor life chances and rent is rsing uncontrollably in many areas, making even getting a desposite almost impossible.
Now, i dont want to derail the thread with the above but Corbyn (like N.Sturgeon) for many people speaks a message that a heck of lot people agree with, will they be swayed by articles like the one you link too? probably
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I don't see that your reply is derailing anything.
The points about the article that are quite interestig are that the author herself changed political alliegences from far left to Tory after the experiences she wrote about. She also notes that Corbyn often says his principles have not changed - so the past in this case is still relevant.
I'm sure that if an aspirimg Tory leader had a far right past, the press would be all over it like pigeons on a chip."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't think articles like that will sway anyone, or any significant numbers, it's an article written by an old person for a newspaper which is probably read by an older demographic anyway (no offence Stevo), it's just playing to it's own audience.
Corbyn is attracting a lot of votes from a younger generation apparently, as well as re-invigorating old school left leaning voters. In the case of the young converts they are waking up to the fact they are screwed, Uni bills for tens of thousands of pounds and waiting until you are nearly 40 to buy a house, maybe never without a benefactor to help out, so if they think they are already farked why would they care about a opinion column describing events now 40 years ago and 20 years before they were even born?0 -
I so want Corbyn to win the leadership - it will mean the UK stays blue for ate least the next 10 years, by which time the twisted Scottish bitch will have hung up her sporran too !http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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Interesring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough.0 -
Interesting. People were pretty quick to jump on my back over signing up - but what if I had been a Labour supporter when I was younger? (hypothetical question in my caseInteresring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough.
, but changing your political affiliation is not that uncommon).
TBH Labour should have thought this through more before opening the doors to anyone with £3 to spare, but they set the rules and people are just following them - for very different reasons in some cases)."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Got £3 to spare? You know what to doI so want Corbyn to win the leadership - it will mean the UK stays blue for ate least the next 10 years, by which time the twisted Scottish ***** will have hung up her sporran too !
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Interesting. People were pretty quick to jump on my back over signing up - but what if I had been a Labour supporter when I was younger? (hypothetical question in my caseInteresring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough. , but changing your political affiliation is not that uncommon).
TBH Labour should have thought this through more before opening the doors to anyone with £3 to spare, but they set the rules and people are just following them - for very different reasons in some cases).
this might surprise you but i could nt agree more and even more shocking is that i used to be a tory supporter, (with a small c ) but i voted for them twice and for that my mortal soul is forever dammed :shock:
My mum, a life time tory (i ve never figured that out), says labour lack brain power, and this election fiasco, does sort of back her up doesnt it ?0 -
Sure the press will drag up articles about corbyn being a left wing nutter and this is the left's problem.
The other problem with a predominantly right wing press, is the lack of stories about Cameron's time in the Bullingdon Brigade and what a lovely bunch of lads they were.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
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Interesting. People were pretty quick to jump on my back over signing up - but what if I had been a Labour supporter when I was younger? (hypothetical question in my caseInteresring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough. , but changing your political affiliation is not that uncommon).
TBH Labour should have thought this through more before opening the doors to anyone with £3 to spare, but they set the rules and people are just following them - for very different reasons in some cases).
this might surprise you but i could nt agree more and even more shocking is that i used to be a tory supporter, (with a small c ) but i voted for them twice and for that my mortal soul is forever dammed :shock:
My mum, a life time tory (i ve never figured that out), says labour lack brain power, and this election fiasco, does sort of back her up doesnt it ? That does surprise me - generally people get more right wing as they get older as well.
It does show lack of thinking by Labour. More worrying for them is that they seem to lack the long term thinking needed to be winners by not learning from history and getting themselves into this rudderless mess as well as allowing the hard left a chance to destroy their electability again."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Shouldn't a leader be elected to run a party which will do the country some good should he be elected, not simply to win?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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Of course. Although clearly if you don't win then you have no chance to do the country any good.Shouldn't a leader be elected to run a party which will do the country some good should he be elected, not simply to win?
History has shown that parties that are positioned towards the far ends of the political spectrum rarely take power in the UK. The last time Labour was elected on a properly left wing ticket was immediately after WW2 - and look at what happened to Labour this year, or in the early 80's when they went in with a socialist manifesto. Conversely, look at what Blair achieved electorally speaking.
While many Corbyn supporters I am sure are genuine in their beliefs, they seem blind to the point above which seems to be the most widely held view - that a hard left Labour party will be pretty much unelectable. The Tories get this, hence the #toriesforcorbyn campaign - and this thread "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Interesting. People were pretty quick to jump on my back over signing up - but what if I had been a Labour supporter when I was younger? (hypothetical question in my caseInteresring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough. , but changing your political affiliation is not that uncommon).
TBH Labour should have thought this through more before opening the doors to anyone with £3 to spare, but they set the rules and people are just following them - for very different reasons in some cases).
It's this kind of behaviour which makes politics so sh!te at the moment.
Just hope you're not an IN voter, since Corbyn is very much an OUT campaigner.0 -
Interesting. People were pretty quick to jump on my back over signing up - but what if I had been a Labour supporter when I was younger? (hypothetical question in my caseInteresring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough. , but changing your political affiliation is not that uncommon).
TBH Labour should have thought this through more before opening the doors to anyone with £3 to spare, but they set the rules and people are just following them - for very different reasons in some cases).
It's this kind of behaviour which makes politics so sh!te at the moment.
Just hope you're not an IN voter, since Corbyn is very much an OUT campaigner.
Au contraire, as Delboy would say, politics are very interesting at the moment.
Yes I am speaking from the point of view as a Conservative, but things are more interesting now than they have been for years. The Govt majority is wafer thin and with the inevitable by elections to come, who knows...?
Labour is in disarray with a potential civil war if Jezza wins and even talk of a SDP type split. The Libdems are suffering because they went from being a repository for protest votes to be a party that had a share of power and had to make tough choices. Their supporters didn't like the taste of real world politics and deserted them for now.
SNP swept Scotland, having lost the referendum. Their 56 MPs have given a real impetus to the EVEL idea and things are evolving.
As regards the Labour leadership election, it is not Conservatives signing up to vote that should worry them - I know Stevo has has some fun on here but I can't see many Tories bothering - it is the Militant Tendency, the Communist Party and the other far left groups that see their opportunity to get back in.
I say again to all you that are moaning about the lack of opposition to the government, I didn't hear you when Blair and Brown had massive majorities and could railroad policies through. The Tories get a slender majority and yo all start gnashing and wailing. Ther is a saying about toys and prams that seems to fit.0 -
Interesting. People were pretty quick to jump on my back over signing up - but what if I had been a Labour supporter when I was younger? (hypothetical question in my caseInteresring article on a hard left plot to get large numbers to join Labour and back Corbyn:
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1585822.ece
Acceptable tactics or not?
Other parties trying to take control of Labour? No, not acceptable. OTOH, if disaffected ex-Labour supporters join up in the hope of electing Corbyn, that's fair enough. , but changing your political affiliation is not that uncommon).
TBH Labour should have thought this through more before opening the doors to anyone with £3 to spare, but they set the rules and people are just following them - for very different reasons in some cases).
It's this kind of behaviour which makes politics so sh!te at the moment.
Just hope you're not an IN voter, since Corbyn is very much an OUT campaigner.
Au contraire, as Delboy would say, politics are very interesting at the moment.
Yes I am speaking from the point of view as a Conservative, but things are more interesting now than they have been for years. The Govt majority is wafer thin and with the inevitable by elections to come, who knows...?
Labour is in disarray with a potential civil war if Jezza wins and even talk of a SDP type split. The Libdems are suffering because they went from being a repository for protest votes to be a party that had a share of power and had to make tough choices. Their supporters didn't like the taste of real world politics and deserted them for now.
SNP swept Scotland, having lost the referendum. Their 56 MPs have given a real impetus to the EVEL idea and things are evolving.
As regards the Labour leadership election, it is not Conservatives signing up to vote that should worry them - I know Stevo has has some fun on here but I can't see many Tories bothering - it is the Militant Tendency, the Communist Party and the other far left groups that see their opportunity to get back in.
I say again to all you that are moaning about the lack of opposition to the government, I didn't hear you when Blair and Brown had massive majorities and could railroad policies through. The Tories get a slender majority and yo all start gnashing and wailing. Ther is a saying about toys and prams that seems to fit.
You only joined in 2012, so too late for the Blair/Brown years. Anyway, many of the people commenting on here (including me and Rick, don't know about Pinarello) aren't actually Labour voters.0 -
I so want Corbyn to win the leadership - it will mean the UK stays blue for ate least the next 10 years, by which time the twisted Scottish ***** will have hung up her sporran too !
Care to elaborate on the *****?
And you live in Doha. A city in a sandpit with quality political and Human Rights views.0 -
Scottish politics are just as interesting.
Fascinating to see the seps clinging to their dreams of independence. They don't see that the chance has been and gone. A bit like the 'Alan Breck' character in 'Kidnapped', not realising that the battle was lost and there would be no more rising of the clans.
Here you have Andrew Wilson, former SNP MSP still expecting England to guarantee Scotland's expenditure post any separation.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/andrew-wilson-premature-vote-risks-losing-independence-1-3847187
Mind you, they could always use the Euro, I suppose. 0 -
Labour are getting properly worried about Corbyn now:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/10/anyone-but-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-alastair-campbell"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Labour are getting properly worried about Corbyn now:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/10/anyone-but-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-alastair-campbell
Strange party, Labour... they keep electing the leaders nobody want... Milliband was a mauppet and everybody knew it before he was even elected and Corbyn will never win a 2020 election, unless the Tories get caught making secret moneylaundering deals with Putin... it takes something pretty spectacular for a private property obsessed nation to elect a far left leader... it's a non starter, but why missing the chance of self-harming for another 5 years, huh?left the forum March 20230 -
I so want Corbyn to win the leadership - it will mean the UK stays blue for at least the next 10 years, by which time the twisted Scottish ***** will have hung up her sporran too !
Care to elaborate on the *****?
And you live in Doha. A city in a sandpit with quality political and Human Rights views.
***** starts with B, rhymes with witch, although witch might do... live in Doha, no way its racist sand pithttp://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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One could feast on the irony.
***** starts with B, rhymes with witch, although witch might do... live in Doha, no way its racist sand pitThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Have a look at the comments on the Guardian website on any Labour related story. They actually think he is the messiah. Deluded or what?0
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These people are convinced that Corbyn will get them into power - totally laughable. Just let these idiots carry on for another month then we are home and hosed until well into the next decade, if not longer 8)Have a look at the comments on the Guardian website on any Labour related story. They actually think he is the messiah. Deluded or what?
My ballot papers should be turning up soon :twisted:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sounds like you've been rumbled.My ballot papers should be turning up soon :twisted:0 -
There's a simple solution to those in the Labour heirachy who are warning of 'annihilation' if Corbyn gets elected. Surely all it needs is either Burnham or Cooper to withdraw and throw their weight behind the other in return for the Shadow Chancellor roll. If they care for their party rather than personal ambition then surely that's what they'd do? However, we appear to have a rare case of politicians desperate to do what's best for themselves rather than what is best for their party and own political ethos. Who'd have predicted that?0
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about 40% of the electorate dont vote, reasons sited are "there are all the same, nothing will change" & "all in it for themselves etc"
Perhaps someone like Corbyn will energise these people to vote and vote Labour? then the right wing who maybe have tried to get Corbyn to be labour leader will regret their actions?
Sometimes there are sea changes in voting habits.
btw i dont really believe this will happen but you can live in hope !0
