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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,547
    Conservatives obviously feeling a little left out, so have decided to join in and suspend a few members for islamophobic comments.

    https://twitter.com/andybell5news/statu ... 3206211589
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    Tut tut, naughty Momentum...
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47468571
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo - sort your boy Gavin out.

    He's a national embarrassment.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo - sort your boy Gavin out.

    He's a national embarrassment.
    Wrong thread - this one is for bashing Labour.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,547
    Can't have been that embarrassing as I can't find any reference to Williamson.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry wrote:
    Can't have been that embarrassing as I can't find any reference to Williamson.

    Is gonna cut knife crime with military presence on the streets.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,547
    TBF as mad as it sounds, Cressida Dick did suggest it first.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    To think that we spend all that time training Police officers when it turns out you can just replace or augment them with the army. Can't envisage any problems say running a stop and search policy with a large infantry unit on the streets of London. They will get it sorted right out.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    You could make plenty of distasteful comments about this if you wanted to.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Gavin Williamson suggests using the Army on the streets of London.

    That's not even in the top three mental things the Tories have done/said this week.

    British politics has gone properly bonkers.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    If you think today's politicians are as low as you could go, here's David Steel from 40 years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... revelation
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,149
    Ballysmate wrote:
    If you think today's politicians are as low as you could go, here's David Steel from 40 years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... revelation

    That's shocking. The whole story of Cyril Smith is just horrible.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smile-Camera-D ... 1849546444
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Ballysmate wrote:
    If you think today's politicians are as low as you could go, here's David Steel from 40 years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... revelation

    I would love somebody to have a run at prosecuting him for aiding and abetting
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Ballysmate wrote:
    If you think today's politicians are as low as you could go, here's David Steel from 40 years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... revelation

    In my opinion politics and the so called establishment has been rotten for longer than 40 years. How else did we reach the state we now find ourselves?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,149
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47794235
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Yes, spread the blame when it fails. Have they not learnt from LibDems? Seems Corby is helping the tories in a way he really should have an alternative for. Some way of not getting involved with May's clusterfrack but not coming across as an uncooperative ptick if he knocked back the offer to talk about things.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,149
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Yes, spread the blame when it fails. Have they not learnt from LibDems? Seems Corby is helping the tories in a way he really should have an alternative for. Some way of not getting involved with May's clusterfrack but not coming across as an uncooperative ptick if he knocked back the offer to talk about things.

    Only way to do that is to go in, then come out saying she isn't willing to make reasonable compromises.

    Of course, he also needs to decide whether he wants what he wants or what his party members want.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Yes, spread the blame when it fails. Have they not learnt from LibDems? Seems Corby is helping the tories in a way he really should have an alternative for. Some way of not getting involved with May's clusterfrack but not coming across as an uncooperative ptick if he knocked back the offer to talk about things.

    Only way to do that is to go in, then come out saying she isn't willing to make reasonable compromises.

    Of course, he also needs to decide whether he wants what he wants or what his party members want.

    Ahhh, oh dear. That's the end of that then........
    Faster than a tent.......
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    So nowhere else to put this, but I do appreciate that the world is cottoning on to the fact that old people are the biggest consumers and believers of 'fake news'.


    eg https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/cr ... population
    _
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So nowhere else to put this, but I do appreciate that the world is cottoning on to the fact that old people are the biggest consumers and believers of 'fake news'.


    eg https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/cr ... population

    lol - millenials invent fake news

    have you never talked to an elderley provincial Daily Mail reader? they are eye bleedingly angry and need no invitation to disseminate fake news
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So nowhere else to put this, but I do appreciate that the world is cottoning on to the fact that old people are the biggest consumers and believers of 'fake news'.


    eg https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/cr ... population

    fortunately theyre also technically inept so the fake messages go nowhere
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Alejandrosdog wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    So nowhere else to put this, but I do appreciate that the world is cottoning on to the fact that old people are the biggest consumers and believers of 'fake news'.


    eg https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/cr ... population

    fortunately theyre also technically inept so the fake messages go nowhere

    Well clearly you didn't read the article!

    Four recent studies found that older Americans are more likely to consume and share false online news than those in other age groups, even when controlling for factors such as partisanship. Other research has found that older Americans have a poor or inaccurate grasp of how algorithms play a role in selecting what information is shown to them on social media, are worse than younger people at differentiating between reported news and opinion, and are less likely to register the brand of a news site they consume information from.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Labour managed to hold Newport West from the Conservatives but the majority reduced from 5000 to less than 2000. The previous MP had been in place since 1983 but even so losing over half of your majority to the Tories in the current climate can't be promising.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Isn't Newport a leave voting seat? If so would that indicate some labour voters are making a bit of a statement about labour's Brexit approach?
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Isn't Newport a leave voting seat? If so would that indicate some labour voters are making a bit of a statement about labour's Brexit approach?

    You probably can't generalise about anything in the current circumstances. Eg if we had a by-election in my seat right (remain) now I wouldn't vote Labour even though it is a key marginal. The way things are I could see my one vote could actually cost Labour a general election win (in theory!) but I still won't vote for Labour while Corbyn is in charge.

    As it happens, if Labour did have a different approach to Brexit that might change - unlike TM et al I think that EU membership is vastly more important than the outcome of one election but, of course, Corbyn is Corbyn and he is never going to be trustworthy over Brexit.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Isn't Newport a leave voting seat? If so would that indicate some labour voters are making a bit of a statement about labour's Brexit approach?

    The pundits reckon there was a lot of voting on local issues but I suspect Brexit would have been a major factor. It had been a Tory seat before Flynn got in at the 1983 election so maybe he had a large personal base of support and fewer people were prepared to vote for a former Union rep they've never heard of. Turnout was low at 37% which is probably a fairer assessment of voters thoughts regarding Brexit!
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    I thought it was reported that UKIP increased its share of the vote hence my question.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,547
    Pross wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Isn't Newport a leave voting seat? If so would that indicate some labour voters are making a bit of a statement about labour's Brexit approach?

    The pundits reckon there was a lot of voting on local issues but I suspect Brexit would have been a major factor. It had been a Tory seat before Flynn got in at the 1983 election so maybe he had a large personal base of support and fewer people were prepared to vote for a former Union rep they've never heard of. Turnout was low at 37% which is probably a fairer assessment of voters thoughts regarding Brexit!

    37% is roughly half the turnout of the last GE, so even if relative proportions of voters stayed the same, Labour's majority would have reduced. UKIP's doubling of vote share was still only just over 2,000 people out of about 23,500 votes cast.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Isn't Newport a leave voting seat? If so would that indicate some labour voters are making a bit of a statement about labour's Brexit approach?

    The pundits reckon there was a lot of voting on local issues but I suspect Brexit would have been a major factor. It had been a Tory seat before Flynn got in at the 1983 election so maybe he had a large personal base of support and fewer people were prepared to vote for a former Union rep they've never heard of. Turnout was low at 37% which is probably a fairer assessment of voters thoughts regarding Brexit!

    37% is roughly half the turnout of the last GE, so even if relative proportions of voters stayed the same, Labour's majority would have reduced. UKIP's doubling of vote share was still only just over 2,000 people out of about 23,500 votes cast.

    But if you can't increase your majority as a percentage of otherwise against a party that is falling apart and providing perhaps the most inept Government in a couple of generations it must surely be a bad result?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Isn't Newport a leave voting seat? If so would that indicate some labour voters are making a bit of a statement about labour's Brexit approach?

    The pundits reckon there was a lot of voting on local issues but I suspect Brexit would have been a major factor. It had been a Tory seat before Flynn got in at the 1983 election so maybe he had a large personal base of support and fewer people were prepared to vote for a former Union rep they've never heard of. Turnout was low at 37% which is probably a fairer assessment of voters thoughts regarding Brexit!

    37% is roughly half the turnout of the last GE, so even if relative proportions of voters stayed the same, Labour's majority would have reduced. UKIP's doubling of vote share was still only just over 2,000 people out of about 23,500 votes cast.

    But if you can't increase your majority as a percentage of otherwise against a party that is falling apart and providing perhaps the most inept Government in a couple of generations it must surely be a bad result?

    after 30 odd years the previous MP would have had a large personal following so this is an OK result for Labour

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