BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    So we've still got that loss - and remind me - what have we gained ?

    I think we've yet to see the real losses.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    My bike is currently bent in half so not my problem - maybe they would have syed me from a vicious right hook

    Ouch, I hope you're in better shape than the bike.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Fenix wrote:
    So we've still got that loss - and remind me - what have we gained ?

    I think we've yet to see the real losses.

    Yes a loss is a loss is a loss. What have we gained? Time will tell.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Further to the above, if there were to be a second vote, the concessions gained by Cameron are now off the table so you would be asking Brexiters to vote on something even less palatable to them than the offer put forward at this referendum. How d'ya think that would go down?

    It won't make any difference as most of the Leave voters have no idea about any of this. Just blocking the borders and being in control. Nothing else is relevant.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mrfpb wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    My bike is currently bent in half so not my problem - maybe they would have syed me from a vicious right hook

    Ouch, I hope you're in better shape than the bike.

    Cheers - shoulder is fucked and needs an MRI to figure out what is wrong but overall got off lightly
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Various Franco German ministers are preparing a paper for the EU Council this week. depending where you look it's either the final master plan for the European Superstate or the model for reform that UK and others have been waiting for.

    http://uatoday.tv/politics/european-sup ... 80410.html

    http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-e ... o-save-eu/

    Clear as mud.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Joelsim wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Further to the above, if there were to be a second vote, the concessions gained by Cameron are now off the table so you would be asking Brexiters to vote on something even less palatable to them than the offer put forward at this referendum. How d'ya think that would go down?

    It won't make any difference as most of the Leave voters have no idea about any of this. Just blocking the borders and being in control. Nothing else is relevant.

    That is backed up by the polls of voters, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36648769

    When casting your vote [to leave], what was the most important issue in your decision? The impact on…
    The economy 3%
    The ability of Britain to make its own laws 53%
    Immigration 34%
    National security 1%
    The NHS 3%
    Other 5%
    Don’t know 1%

    Interesting that the "£350m to the NHS" line didn't appear to be a big factor.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Further to the above, if there were to be a second vote, the concessions gained by Cameron are now off the table so you would be asking Brexiters to vote on something even less palatable to them than the offer put forward at this referendum. How d'ya think that would go down?

    It won't make any difference as most of the Leave voters have no idea about any of this. Just blocking the borders and being in control. Nothing else is relevant.

    That is backed up by the polls of voters, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36648769

    When casting your vote [to leave], what was the most important issue in your decision? The impact on…
    The economy 3%
    The ability of Britain to make its own laws 53%
    Immigration 34%
    National security 1%
    The NHS 3%
    Other 5%
    Don’t know 1%

    Interesting that the "£350m to the NHS" line didn't appear to be a big factor.

    What am I missing about ability to make own laws - why don't I care even a little bit?

    If I was weighting my decision to vote leave I would be 90-95% economy and 5-10% immigration, the rest would have no bearing.

    My issue around immigration is almost entirely about criminals being refused entry or deported if committing serious offences over here.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    As stated previously, my mother voted on the laws issue. I can see why people would, as an issue. Thing is, it does rather require them to consider the sort of laws being made and whether they believe that law would be made if the UK were to go it alone.

    Of course, perhaps they are a bit more sophisticated and realise that an immigration system requires laws.

    Or that they don't understand what laws are. Or how they are made.

    Hell, I dunno.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    I guess pensioners with their working lives behind them would account for a lot of those putting laws first?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    The Express are still at it mind.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/586 ... Britain-EU

    Whenever I read that, I worry about the writer. I imagine them at gunpoint with their editor telling them what to write, or cackling wildly as the clickometer spins up
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Ballysmate wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    gaffer_slow wrote:
    You guys all realise that Article 50 will never be triggered .... right?
    Is what the markets are thinking, with the FTSE 250 coming back up a bit(3.5%) today, leaving it just 9% down since the news.

    To make clear, FTSE250 is more reflective of native UK companies, whereas FTSE100 includes global megacorps, big oil, big pharma, miners and that, who have loads of irons in fire other than the UK.

    The FTSE 100 has also bounced back somewhat to claw back 50% of its dramatic initial loss.

    Correct. However the FTSE100 is not a good proxy measure for the health of the UK domestic market. BHP Billiton, Royal Dutch Shell, Rio Tinto, HSBC, GSK, Reckitt Benckiser etc etc etc are globals. Indeed, take the last one RB, UK domiciled, vast majority of revenues generated in currency other than £ sterling, profits and divis declared in £, more £ for your $ = better figures. Good for me as a shareholder. Shares hit a year high today.

    Look at pure UK plays, take housebuilders and construction. Use Travis Perkins as an example, building supplies to domestic trade and retail markets. Up 5% today but down 30% overall since. Their business outlook has been hit significantly, through no mismanagement on their part.

    Apologies where needed for this statement of the bleedin' obvious, but seems from recent events that a lot of people need a lot of things spelled out for them in very simple language.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,412
    Fenix wrote:
    I do wonder what Industry is making of it all. The CEO's must be pulling some strings down at the club. It'll be suicide for setting up business outside of the EU in foreigner hating Britain. We'll get no investment from any multinationals.
    Existing ones will be looking to expand outside rather than in the UK and we'll die a death.

    Money always talks loudest and the Tories (or ANY parties) won't be getting any funds from anyone other than JCB (dunno what his plan is) or Dyson (buy British ! And I've sacked my workforce and the hoovers are made in Malaysia - that's 4000 jobs that could have been in Britain)
    Your evidence for this is what?

    Certainly the multinational I work for is not.planning along these lines.
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  • andcp
    andcp Posts: 644
    bendertherobot wrote:
    The Express are still at it mind.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/586 ... Britain-EU
    Utter genius, laughed out loud! We're potentially heading for the most traumatic period of upheaval in recent history and the Express want to 're-instate' bendy nanas and let people eat Dobbin!..........does anyone still buy the Express?
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Andcp wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    The Express are still at it mind.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/586 ... Britain-EU
    Utter genius, laughed out loud! We're potentially heading for the most traumatic period of upheaval in recent history and the Express want to 're-instate' bendy nanas and let people eat Dobbin!..........does anyone still buy the Express?

    The vested interest outers are getting worried it might all be going t1ts up. So keep feeding the fools a load of BS, trust them 'Spooners to keep the faith. Else the fools might start to go, 'ere 'ang on, someone's been telling us porkies...
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

    I don't even know where to start.
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  • andcp
    andcp Posts: 644
    bendertherobot wrote:
    In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

    I don't even know where to start.
    Well, you could have a drink.....
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  • crumbschief
    crumbschief Posts: 3,399
    All we are is dust in the wind dude.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    bendertherobot wrote:
    The Express are still at it mind.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/586 ... Britain-EU

    Whenever I read that, I worry about the writer. I imagine them at gunpoint with their editor telling them what to write, or cackling wildly as the clickometer spins up

    I suspect they write an article based on how their editor tells them to otherwise they will not have a job. Similar to people in finance in London voting remain because their business are telling them they will move their job to the EU if there is a Leave vote.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    bendertherobot wrote:
    In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

    I don't even know where to start.

    I thought you were joking on this but for giggles I googled it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html

    How did this get missed from either side of the campaign. Or has it since been amended?
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    bendertherobot wrote:
    In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

    I don't even know where to start.

    It's funny how the article talks about laws we can now get rid of despite the fact the article states that most of them were either never enacted or were removed very quickly.

    Still, the express has never been known for the standard of its reporting.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    bendertherobot wrote:
    In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

    I don't even know where to start.

    I thought you were joking on this but for giggles I googled it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ation.html

    How did this get missed from either side of the campaign. Or has it since been amended?

    Sigh, do more googling.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    orraloon wrote:
    Listened to a USanian podcast from the Motley Fool aimed at amateur investors. The first section is a lengthy analysis of Brexit from a purely external US perspective, trying to explain the situation to their non expert listeners. You can hear the bemusement in their discussions.

    http://www.fool.com/podcasts/industry-f ... -bregret-a

    Listened to this on the way home, was interesting to hear what they had to say.

    But the bit at the end where they explained the difference between accumulator and income funds was a bit pointless.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Fenix wrote:
    I do wonder what Industry is making of it all. The CEO's must be pulling some strings down at the club. It'll be suicide for setting up business outside of the EU in foreigner hating Britain. We'll get no investment from any multinationals.
    Existing ones will be looking to expand outside rather than in the UK and we'll die a death.

    Money always talks loudest and the Tories (or ANY parties) won't be getting any funds from anyone other than JCB (dunno what his plan is) or Dyson (buy British ! And I've sacked my workforce and the hoovers are made in Malaysia - that's 4000 jobs that could have been in Britain)
    Your evidence for this is what?

    Certainly the multinational I work for is not.planning along these lines.

    Not that it counts for sh!t, but I have (confidential) evidence from a bunch of BIG FS firms.
    _
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    A plan

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... p_Facebook
  • bramstoker
    bramstoker Posts: 250
    Joelsim wrote:
    A plan

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... p_Facebook

    Looks like deny deny deny until we can make dictatorship look like democracy.

    Another plan ?

    https://necessaryintervention.com/2016/ ... -agree-on/
    A feather is kinky, a whole chicken is just perverse.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    bramstoker wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    A plan

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... p_Facebook

    Looks like deny deny deny until we can make dictatorship look like democracy.

    Another plan ?

    https://necessaryintervention.com/2016/ ... -agree-on/

    I'd support that but I assume it can't possibly be that easy!
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Can anyone imagine the turmoil on currency and markets once article 50 is triggered? we wont be a AAA economy, we ll be junk bond status... a Greece if you like.

    We need to step back from this and sharp.

    Democracy should be paramount but at the price of putting people out of jobs, spending cuts and tax rises ?

    democracy also means we have to protect the most vulnerable, the elderly, children and the sick, leaving will cost these all dearly.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Further to the above, if there were to be a second vote, the concessions gained by Cameron are now off the table so you would be asking Brexiters to vote on something even less palatable to them than the offer put forward at this referendum. How d'ya think that would go down?

    It won't make any difference as most of the Leave voters have no idea about any of this. Just blocking the borders and being in control. Nothing else is relevant.

    That is backed up by the polls of voters, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36648769

    When casting your vote [to leave], what was the most important issue in your decision? The impact on…
    The economy 3%
    The ability of Britain to make its own laws 53%
    Immigration 34%
    National security 1%
    The NHS 3%
    Other 5%
    Don’t know 1%

    Interesting that the "£350m to the NHS" line didn't appear to be a big factor.

    What am I missing about ability to make own laws - why don't I care even a little bit?

    If I was weighting my decision to vote leave I would be 90-95% economy and 5-10% immigration, the rest would have no bearing.

    My issue around immigration is almost entirely about criminals being refused entry or deported if committing serious offences over here.

    I too, really don't get the laws bit especially given the vast majority are for the best. I could understand if Kim Jong Un was making those laws. But he isn't.
  • bramstoker
    bramstoker Posts: 250
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Can anyone imagine the turmoil on currency and markets once article 50 is triggered? we wont be a AAA economy, we ll be junk bond status... a Greece if you like.

    We need to step back from this and sharp.

    Democracy should be paramount but at the price of putting people out of jobs, spending cuts and tax rises ?

    democracy also means we have to protect the most vulnerable, the elderly, children and the sick, leaving will cost these all dearly.

    Yet the elderly were the bastards that have ruined it for all the young folks, if you believe whats been said about the breakdown of the votes.
    A feather is kinky, a whole chicken is just perverse.

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