BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

joelsim

Stevo 666 wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

finchy wrote:

And here's what Theresa May privately thought about Brexit before the vote.

You are all missing something. It does not matter what TM thinks, she is employed to carry out the instructions of the electorate.

In a general election, this is based on the party manifesto. For a referendum, it is on the question asked. Her vote in a referendum is worth the same as yours or mine, one vote!

So, as Prime Minister she has been instructed to deliver Brexit. David Cameron did not want to do as instructed by the electorate so resigned. If TM did not want to deliver Brexit she should not have stood for Conservative party leader.

As much as many of you want to happen in this instance, you cannot ask the country for an instruction, and then ignore it and follow your own views. We are not Russia or North Korea :roll:

Interesting you should say that, clearly you aren't keeping up with the reality of most people not wanting to be made poorer.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ce=twitter

I'll tell you now, every day that goes by sees Brexit's case weakening. Come March the situation will be so poor, and legals still pending, and parliament scrutinising, that it will be delayed. It simply won't happen. May has backed the wrong horse and she'll go down in history as a total prick. She's already backtracking on hard Brexit, and frankly there is no choice. Hard or no.

People like you will be laughed at. Oh and there'll be riots from the c*nts.

Let's review that in March shall we. Hopefully you won't have to eat your words.

I won't fella. The sh!t's going to hit the fan in the next few months.

pinno

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

Stevo_666

finchy wrote:

It's got to happen at some point. The world's top economists wouldn't be able to put an exact date on when it will happen, so I'm not going to start making specific predictions.

FFS finchy, the economy goes in cycles. You know as well as I do that if you say something like that you will be right eventually.

briantrumpet

Pinno wrote:

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

Oh, that's a point. When is this referendum thingy going to happen? It might be quite a jolly affair, don't you think?

Stevo_666

Pinno wrote:

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

There will be another 200 pages of this stuff by then. Finding Joel's doomstay prediction post in 5 months will be no easy task.

joelsim

The only thing that'll be the same is you following the Tories blindly.

(And as I've said many times I'm not anti-Tory generally, this current shower excepted).

finchy

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

It's got to happen at some point. The world's top economists wouldn't be able to put an exact date on when it will happen, so I'm not going to start making specific predictions.

FFS finchy, the economy goes in cycles. You know as well as I do that if you say something like that you will be right eventually.

Yes, but the point I am making is that if it happens soon, governments might find themselves unable to deal with it effectively.

joelsim

Stevo 666 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

There will be another 200 pages of this stuff by then. Finding Joel's doomstay prediction post in 5 months will be no easy task.

There'll be plenty of incidences for you to see bad news between now and then Steve.

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

There will be another 200 pages of this stuff by then. Finding Joel's doomstay prediction post in 5 months will be no easy task.

Change your name to Stevo 277 as a reminder of these happier times...

pinno

briantrumpet wrote:

Pinno wrote:

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

Oh, that's a point. When is this referendum thingy going to happen? It might be quite a jolly affair, don't you think?

'Jolly'. Perfect.

Britain has had the Jolly bit. Now for the not so Jolly bit.

ballysmate

finchy wrote:

And here's what Theresa May privately thought about Brexit before the vote.

And? Before the vote she was a remainer. She has become PM and has been handed the task to get the best deal possible. Not the choice she would have made, but has to make the best of it,

ballysmate

Joelsim wrote:

finchy wrote:

There is nothing that rules us out of the single market. Polls are showing that most people want to prioritise SM membership over immigration. The government could accept that, rather than base their policy on avoiding Tory voters switching to UKIP.

Anyway, as I said, an EU which is divided on a trade deal with the UK is not good news for us. Why do you think so many countries want a deal with the EU?

Unfortunately, no matter what people say it has no influence on whether we get a trade deal or not. We accept free movement or we don't. Or we pay stupid money to 'protect' our prime revenue earners, far more than we pay now and I'm not even sure that's possible.

And while we do this we have a country where morons can promote their racist views and get away with it as if it is right.

On another note, my own personal business has been hit hard by Brexit. A business that was growing hugely has suddenly come to a stop. I rely on people going away, and to be honest it's way poorer this half-term than I would've expected. probably 50% down on estimation. Something to do with a weak pound.

With regard to CETA, do you know why it's been stalled? Because it prioritised multinationals over local businesses.

Here's me thinking your despair following sterling's devaluation was altruistic.

finchy

Ballysmate wrote:

finchy wrote:

And here's what Theresa May privately thought about Brexit before the vote.

And? Before the vote she was a remainer. She has become PM and has been handed the task to get the best deal possible. Not the choice she would have made, but has to make the best of it,

Just something for Coopster to listen to. Seeing as he keeps telling us how wonderful it's all going to be.

ballysmate

Joelsim wrote:

Which is exactly why I'm calling people names. Not difficult to understand.

The response for 10 year olds perhaps.

pinno

Ballysmate wrote:

finchy wrote:

And here's what Theresa May privately thought about Brexit before the vote.

And? Before the vote she was a remainer. She has become PM and has been handed the task to get the best deal possible. Not the choice she would have made, but has to make the best of it,

Does that include U turns on Heathrow? Is the decision based on the economic uncertainty caused posed by Brexit? Can we trust that her rhetoric matches any future reality?

joelsim

Ballysmate wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Which is exactly why I'm calling people names. Not difficult to understand.

The response for 10 year olds perhaps.

The response of someone who thinks dullards like you are twats.

Stevo_666

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

It's got to happen at some point. The world's top economists wouldn't be able to put an exact date on when it will happen, so I'm not going to start making specific predictions.

FFS finchy, the economy goes in cycles. You know as well as I do that if you say something like that you will be right eventually.

Yes, but the point I am making is that if it happens soon, governments might find themselves unable to deal with it effectively.

Maybe.

Stop worrying so much. We've come though every other crisis in history and here we are with some people fretting about something that may or may not happen to a degree we dont yet know...

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

March?! A day is a long time in the "EU Referendum - In/Out or will we even get one?" thread.

There will be another 200 pages of this stuff by then. Finding Joel's doomstay prediction post in 5 months will be no easy task.

Change your name to Stevo 277 as a reminder of these happier times...

I've made a note of the number instead. Will be interesting to see

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

Stop worrying so much. We've come though every other crisis in history and here we are with some people fretting about something that may or may not happen to a degree we dont yet know...

Hang on a mo... as it is 'we' still have choices. Surely sound financial planning is going to have a good degree of risk assessment. You appear to be saying "don't try to quantify the risk". Something that "may or may not happen" should still receive proper scrutiny, surely?

finchy

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

It's got to happen at some point. The world's top economists wouldn't be able to put an exact date on when it will happen, so I'm not going to start making specific predictions.

FFS finchy, the economy goes in cycles. You know as well as I do that if you say something like that you will be right eventually.

Yes, but the point I am making is that if it happens soon, governments might find themselves unable to deal with it effectively.

Maybe.

Stop worrying so much. We've come though every other crisis in history and here we are with some people fretting about something that may or may not happen to a degree we dont yet know...

We have come through every other crisis in history, but not without sustaining a whole load of damage. As, like you, I both have a mixed-ethnicity family, I'm particularly concerned about increasing xenophobia if things do get as bad as I am now beginning to suspect they might.

Stevo_666

One point that banks and other UK headquartered companies will be considerig:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/good-news-on-brexit/

An extract:
Since human capital is every company's single most important asset -- and cost -- a 20 percent discount on top European talent is a windfall. It's a significant silver lining in otherwise bad news around Brexit.

Chipman says he was surprised by the exit vote but he doesn't think that his clients will move. Possible trade restrictions aren't the most important business issue to consider. "They will realize the advantages of having access to the best talent."

briantrumpet

finchy wrote:

We have come through every other crisis in history, but not without sustaining a whole load of damage. As, like you, I both have a mixed-ethnicity family, I'm particularly concerned about increasing xenophobia if things do get as bad as I am now beginning to suspect they might.

Oh yes, Germany came out pretty well from the bit-of-a-crisis they had in the 1930s & 40s. What are we fretting about?

ballysmate

Joelsim wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Which is exactly why I'm calling people names. Not difficult to understand.

The response for 10 year olds perhaps.

The response of someone who thinks dullards like you are twats.

Dullard and tw@t eh? Very Oscar Wilde.
I have to say Joel that having endured your diatribe for the last God knows how many pages, it has become evident to this tw@t that when people (even people who voted the same way as you) raise pertinent points that you are apparently at a loss to comprehend, never mind answer, your default position is to start calling people names.
You then have the neck to call anyone who doesn't 100% share your view, stupid. That appears to be the level of your capacity to engage in debate.
Never mind, please keep logging on, reading other peoples views and watching how grown ups have constructive discussions and you never know, one day you will be able to join in.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Stop worrying so much. We've come though every other crisis in history and here we are with some people fretting about something that may or may not happen to a degree we dont yet know...

Hang on a mo... as it is 'we' still have choices. Surely sound financial planning is going to have a good degree of risk assessment. You appear to be saying "don't try to quantify the risk". Something that "may or may not happen" should still receive proper scrutiny, surely?

The range of outcomes, even for particular scenarios is quite diverse. Not the case that nobody has tried to quantify, it is the difficulty of doing so with any degree of certainty. Too many variables and unknowns.

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Stop worrying so much. We've come though every other crisis in history and here we are with some people fretting about something that may or may not happen to a degree we dont yet know...

Hang on a mo... as it is 'we' still have choices. Surely sound financial planning is going to have a good degree of risk assessment. You appear to be saying "don't try to quantify the risk". Something that "may or may not happen" should still receive proper scrutiny, surely?

The range of outcomes, even for particular scenarios is quite diverse. Not the case that nobody has tried to quantify, it is the difficulty of doing so with any degree of certainty. Too many variables and unknowns.

Well, quite a lot of people (I think we might dare to call them 'experts') have made forecasts, and they are not universally rose-tinted. You might even call them 'risk assessments', but you seem to be encouraging us to ignore them as 'needless worrying', and hoping that we'll 'get through the crisis'. Hmm.

Stevo_666

Ballysmate wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Which is exactly why I'm calling people names. Not difficult to understand.

The response for 10 year olds perhaps.

The response of someone who thinks dullards like you are twats.

Dullard and tw@t eh? Very Oscar Wilde.
I have to say Joel that having endured your diatribe for the last God knows how many pages, it has become evident to this tw@t that when people (even people who voted the same way as you) raise pertinent points that you are apparently at a loss to comprehend, never mind answer, your default position is to start calling people names.
You then have the neck to call anyone who doesn't 100% share your view, stupid. That appears to be the level of your capacity to engage in debate.
Never mind, please keep logging on, reading other peoples views and watching how grown ups have constructive discussions and you never know, one day you will be able to join in.

Reminds me of this for some reason?

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Stop worrying so much. We've come though every other crisis in history and here we are with some people fretting about something that may or may not happen to a degree we dont yet know...

Hang on a mo... as it is 'we' still have choices. Surely sound financial planning is going to have a good degree of risk assessment. You appear to be saying "don't try to quantify the risk". Something that "may or may not happen" should still receive proper scrutiny, surely?

The range of outcomes, even for particular scenarios is quite diverse. Not the case that nobody has tried to quantify, it is the difficulty of doing so with any degree of certainty. Too many variables and unknowns.

Well, quite a lot of people (I think we might dare to call them 'experts') have made forecasts, and they are not universally rose-tinted. You might even call them 'risk assessments', but you seem to be encouraging us to ignore them as 'needless worrying', and hoping that we'll 'get through the crisis'. Hmm.

And within those forecasts there are wide ranges.

How will worrying help?

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

And within those forecasts there are wide ranges.

How will worrying help?

And the general thrust of those forecasts was what? Positive or negative (even with a wide range of forecasts, you can get a general idea, surely?)

If you want to call gloomy forecasts by economists just "worrying", then let's just listen to the nice upbeat forecasts. That'll stop all the problems.

briantrumpet

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

And within those forecasts there are wide ranges.

How will worrying help?

And the general thrust of those forecasts was what? Positive or negative (even with a wide range of forecasts, you can get a general idea, surely?)

If you want to call gloomy forecasts by economists just "worrying", then let's just listen to the nice upbeat forecasts. That'll stop all the problems.

Sorry, just a bit of worrying... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 80081.html

Now to find those nice cheerful forecasts...

Pituophis

Ballysmate wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Which is exactly why I'm calling people names. Not difficult to understand.

The response for 10 year olds perhaps.

The response of someone who thinks dullards like you are twats.

Dullard and tw@t eh? Very Oscar Wilde.
I have to say Joel that having endured your diatribe for the last God knows how many pages, it has become evident to this tw@t that when people (even people who voted the same way as you) raise pertinent points that you are apparently at a loss to comprehend, never mind answer, your default position is to start calling people names.
You then have the neck to call anyone who doesn't 100% share your view, stupid. That appears to be the level of your capacity to engage in debate.
Never mind, please keep logging on, reading other peoples views and watching how grown ups have constructive discussions and you never know, one day you will be able to join in.

For a long time I thought Joelsim was a pretty competent wind up merchant (is the modern terminology Troll?) but the mask slipped a while ago. :roll: