BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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More of an American immigrant, no?Stevo_666 said:
He may be a populist but he's our populist. Obviously really, to all but the most blinkered Europhile.ddraver said:It's weird that Stevo can be so in thrall to a UK populist but totally fail to see the exact same thing from another leader...
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I'm not too bothered really. However as the EU seems to be pretty keen on intruding into areas of national competence and Macron being an arch federalist and fan of the EU, you would think it might suit both parties.kingstongraham said:
Let me put it another way. Why would it help for the EU now to get more involved in national politics?Stevo_666 said:
Not interested in whataboutery.kingstongraham said:
Would it have helped if they'd told Cameron to get back in his box?Stevo_666 said:
And here's me giving the EU some sound advice to get Macron back in his box, which is overall in their best interests...rick_chasey said:
Totally. Anything that hastens the death of the EU is "good" for Britain in their eyes, whatever the collateral.surrey_commuter said:A lot of people still don’t get it that Brexit is a signpost in their quest to bring down the EU.
Try seeing it through that lens and SteveO/DT make sense"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Makes the dispute all the more confusing.rjsterry said:
It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
The thread is fairly illuminating0 -
Can you really not see that you, me or even the Daily Mail are the audience for what he's saying?Stevo_666 said:
He may be a populist but he's our populist. Obviously really, to all but the most blinkered Europhile.ddraver said:It's weird that Stevo can be so in thrall to a UK populist but totally fail to see the exact same thing from another leader...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.rick_chasey said:
Makes the dispute all the more confusing.rjsterry said:
It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
The thread is fairly illuminating1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Surprised there is no mention of the fact the jersey boys sell all their fish in France and that is being blockedrjsterry said:
Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.rick_chasey said:
Makes the dispute all the more confusing.rjsterry said:
It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
The thread is fairly illuminating0 -
The thread makes out the UK gov't made them rescind the license as part of the Brexit negs - whether that is true or not I don't know.rjsterry said:
Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.rick_chasey said:
Makes the dispute all the more confusing.rjsterry said:
It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
The thread is fairly illuminating0 -
I read it that that bit was somewhat fudged.rick_chasey said:
The thread makes out the UK gov't made them rescind the license as part of the Brexit negs - whether that is true or not I don't know.rjsterry said:
Seems pretty simple, really. Jersey updates it's fishing license system, but botches the introduction. French fishermen signify their dismay in their preferred method. Politicians either side of the Channel see an opportunity to grab a headline.rick_chasey said:
Makes the dispute all the more confusing.rjsterry said:
It's the last remnant of the Angevin empire. Makes sense as it's not part of the UK nor France.rick_chasey said:
Who knew Jersey was never part of the EU - not me
The thread is fairly illuminating1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Barrnier seems to be changing his tune on immigration a bit post Brexit:
https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/france-suspend-immigration-ban-barnier-b1845533.html
Interesting, coming from a man who was highly regarded by some on here.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Priceless ain't it?
No doubt Brexiteers, most notably Boris, will get the blame for poisoning his mind during negotiations.0 -
It wouldn't have happened if we hadn't voted for Brexit. Etc etc.ballysmate said:Priceless ain't it?
No doubt Brexiteers, most notably Boris, will get the blame for poisoning his mind during negotiations."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
Do you think it sounds like a good idea? It sounds like the complete reverse of stated Brexit immigration logic to me, and still not in a good way.0
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What do you mean, soz?kingstongraham said:Do you think it sounds like a good idea? It sounds like the complete reverse of stated Brexit immigration logic to me, and still not in a good way.
I haven't paid much attention to it but tweets I saw said he was talking about controlling immigration into Schengen..? Sounded like standard centre-right populist flirting to me.
(I get the feeling Macron will be a hit on the after-dinner speaker circuit come the end next year)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Another link here.
https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-french-borders-shut-pledge/
“Barnier advocating complete cessation of immigration for 3-5 years + suspension of Schengen. Ironic, because if the EU had allowed much milder restrictions on free movement of people, Brexit would probably never have happened."
Should go in the irony thread really.1 -
It’s terrible isn’t it?
Amazing how far we’ve come that that is not only politically acceptable but that it is a way to garner support for a centre right candidacy.
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Or whisper it quietly on here, is it a tacit acknowledgement that Nigel had a point.
Nigel Farage, the Martin Peters of European politics. Ahead of his time.
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From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.Stevo_666 said:Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?
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Does it? That’s not my reading of it.ballysmate said:0 -
Stated immigration policy of Brexit was to reduce immigration from the EU, to allow a global policy, and potentially allow more immigration from outside the EU. Whether that was the position of the majority of those who voted for it, I don't know. Barnier now says immigration only from the EU.ddraver said:
What do you mean, soz?kingstongraham said:Do you think it sounds like a good idea? It sounds like the complete reverse of stated Brexit immigration logic to me, and still not in a good way.
I haven't paid much attention to it but tweets I saw said he was talking about controlling immigration into Schengen..? Sounded like standard centre-right populist flirting to me.
(I get the feeling Macron will be a hit on the after-dinner speaker circuit come the end next year)
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I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.0
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In a later interview, Barnier added that France should kickstart talks with neighbors on the Schengen area and push for stricter controls on the EU’s external borders.
France can cease all immigration from outside the EU, which it is quite entitled to do.
If Germany, Belgium or whoever accept immigrants from outside, there is nothing to stop said immigrants travelling to France, rendering the French position nonsensical.
Unless of course there are curbs on movement especially as one of the justifications he put forward was
“There are links between [immigration flows] and terrorist networks which try to infiltrate them,”0 -
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.Pross said:I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
He is proposing stopping all non-EU immigration into France. Pretty sure anyone proposing the equivalent for the UK in recent years would have been labelled a racist.rjsterry said:
From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.Stevo_666 said:Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
It stops them working and living in France. I should imagine not even Barnier is talking about banning non-EU tourism.ballysmate said:In a later interview, Barnier added that France should kickstart talks with neighbors on the Schengen area and push for stricter controls on the EU’s external borders.
France can cease all immigration from outside the EU, which it is quite entitled to do.
If Germany, Belgium or whoever accept immigrants from outside, there is nothing to stop said immigrants travelling to France, rendering the French position nonsensical.
Unless of course there are curbs on movement especially as one of the justifications he put forward was
“There are links between [immigration flows] and terrorist networks which try to infiltrate them,”
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