I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
Understood the eu's position. It might be a tricky concept, but I have had no opinion on barnier until today.
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
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I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
People pointing out proportionality does not mean they support the EU
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
People pointing out proportionality does not mean they support the EU
Maybe some did do that. Doesn't change my point though.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
People pointing out proportionality does not mean they support the EU
Maybe some did do that. Doesn't change my point though.
What is your point?
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I don't get quite why this is so exciting to you. It's a terrible policy and one that will exacerbate the problems an aging population will face.
People starting to come round to the idea that a skills based immigration system is best of all solutions on the basis that you have to have some sort of system. Or are we still advocating the EU racist approach of come on in Polish but you Indians get to the back of the queue. But I am a fully qualified doctor with a young family. Stand aside we have a low skills car washer willing to work in modern slavery. It is like a comedy sketch of stupidity.
People starting to come round to the idea that a skills based immigration system is best of all solutions on the basis that you have to have some sort of system. Or are we still advocating the EU racist approach of come on in Polish but you Indians get to the back of the queue. But I am a fully qualified doctor with a young family. Stand aside we have a low skills car washer willing to work in modern slavery. It is like a comedy sketch of stupidity.
People starting to come round to the idea that a skills based immigration system is best of all solutions on the basis that you have to have some sort of system. Or are we still advocating the EU racist approach of come on in Polish but you Indians get to the back of the queue. But I am a fully qualified doctor with a young family. Stand aside we have a low skills car washer willing to work in modern slavery. It is like a comedy sketch of stupidity.
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
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Barnier was playing politics in his role for the EU. He hasn't only just started. It was one big act of self promotion.
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
People pointing out proportionality does not mean they support the EU
Maybe some did do that. Doesn't change my point though.
What is your point?
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I don't get quite why this is so exciting to you. It's a terrible policy and one that will exacerbate the problems an aging population will face.
I'm not particularly excited, just thought it was interesting and was wondering what brought this on with Barnier. I've explained my point above.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
People starting to come round to the idea that a skills based immigration system is best of all solutions on the basis that you have to have some sort of system. Or are we still advocating the EU racist approach of come on in Polish but you Indians get to the back of the queue. But I am a fully qualified doctor with a young family. Stand aside we have a low skills car washer willing to work in modern slavery. It is like a comedy sketch of stupidity.
Do you think it's binary?
It is the EU's problem now as we have left. They can't defend their current racist immigration policy anymore that we could when we were in the EU. What Barnier is proposing is flat out racist and should be called out as such.
People starting to come round to the idea that a skills based immigration system is best of all solutions on the basis that you have to have some sort of system. Or are we still advocating the EU racist approach of come on in Polish but you Indians get to the back of the queue. But I am a fully qualified doctor with a young family. Stand aside we have a low skills car washer willing to work in modern slavery. It is like a comedy sketch of stupidity.
Do you think it's binary?
It is the EU's problem now as we have left. They can't defend their current racist immigration policy anymore that we could when we were in the EU. What Barnier is proposing is flat out racist and should be called out as such.
The EU doesn't have a racist immigration policy. But Barnier's most definitely is racist far beyond the usual dog whistle.
People starting to come round to the idea that a skills based immigration system is best of all solutions on the basis that you have to have some sort of system. Or are we still advocating the EU racist approach of come on in Polish but you Indians get to the back of the queue. But I am a fully qualified doctor with a young family. Stand aside we have a low skills car washer willing to work in modern slavery. It is like a comedy sketch of stupidity.
Do you think it's binary?
It is the EU's problem now as we have left. They can't defend their current racist immigration policy anymore that we could when we were in the EU. What Barnier is proposing is flat out racist and should be called out as such.
This does touch upon an interesting point about the disparate nature of Brexit voters. A certain % of them would have done so to make it easier for immigrants from poor rural parts of Pakistan/Bangladesh. Whereas the people who march in the street to deport the ones already here would also have voted for Brexit
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
I think people were pointing out that we were the ones who chose to leave and that there was no onus on the EU to grant us concessions. Ultimately Barnier was doing a better job on behalf of his "client" than Davis and co. were managing for theirs.
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
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Barnier was playing politics in his role for the EU. He hasn't only just started. It was one big act of self promotion.
Well obviously. I'm bemused as to why Stevo thinks there is some change.
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You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I
Barnier was playing politics in his role for the EU. He hasn't only just started. It was one big act of self promotion.
Not quite sure why you felt the need to point out the obvious?
Do you not think it surprising that the man who negotiated on Brexit behalf of the EU should suddenly become rather anti-immigration?
From outside the EU? No. That perk is for members only.
He is proposing stopping all non-EU immigration into France. Pretty sure anyone proposing the equivalent for the UK in recent years would have been labelled a racist.
Quite possibly. It's a stupid idea that is not in France's interests, but probably wins a few votes. All very familiar 😉
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You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I
Barnier was playing politics in his role for the EU. He hasn't only just started. It was one big act of self promotion.
Not quite sure why you felt the need to point out the obvious?
You wrote this which implied to me that you thought he wasn't playing politics in his role for the EU.
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
That's not what I remember. What I remember is that people thought the EU was just protecting their own interests as is their right and it was Barnier's job to present that position.
You're making a different point there. People were supporting the EU on here.
People pointing out proportionality does not mean they support the EU
Maybe some did do that. Doesn't change my point though.
What is your point?
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I don't get quite why this is so exciting to you. It's a terrible policy and one that will exacerbate the problems an aging population will face.
I'm not particularly excited, just thought it was interesting and was wondering what brought this on with Barnier. I've explained my point above.
The political environment in France? It has shifted significantly rightwards to the point where various forms of nativism are not just tolerated but are considered to be required positions for 'centre right' candidates.
I can't recall anyone on here regarding Barnier highly. People did however point out he was negotiating for the EU so his actions had to be viewed with that in mind.
Quite a few people seemed to support his/the EU's position during the negotiations, so I can only imagine they thought he was very wise and competent given that he was negotiating for the other side.
I think he was competent at negotiating within the mandate he had. Mainly that is in comparison to the utterly unambitious approach from the UK side which seemed more concerned with what we didn't want than what we did.
That's a long, long way from being some sort of Barnier fanboi.
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You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I
Barnier was playing politics in his role for the EU. He hasn't only just started. It was one big act of self promotion.
Not quite sure why you felt the need to point out the obvious?
You wrote this which implied to me that you thought he wasn't playing politics in his role for the EU.
You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
Why would that mean I didn't think he was playing politics?
Literally everyone involved in this playing politics. They are politicians. This is politics.
You don't have the career Barnier has had without being a serious political operator.
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You can recognise what Barnier was doing in his role for the EU and vehemently disagree with his views when he is trying to get candidacy for a centre right party in France?
I don't get quite why this is so exciting to you. It's a terrible policy and one that will exacerbate the problems an aging population will face.
That is exactly what it is
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That's a long, long way from being some sort of Barnier fanboi.
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Literally everyone involved in this playing politics. They are politicians. This is politics.
You don't have the career Barnier has had without being a serious political operator.