BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Must be conflicted with the duality of exceptionalism and victimhood.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I don't buy into this. Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU. We were not protected when the US put whisky tariffs on us to punish us for the state aid mainly benefiting other EU nations.
We have an opportunity to hold politicians to account. When MPs say we can't do something then the question should be why not. We have free reign pretty much on state aid, employment laws, environmental laws, immigration laws.We could tax goods imported based on their emissions as this would drive us to doing dirty things in the UK cleaner rather than exporting the emissions to give one example.0 -
Leaving the WTO so that we can regain our sovereignty and take back control of our right to impose trade barriers would seem to be an obvious (if idiotic) next stage of Brexitjohn80 said:I don't buy into this. Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU. We were not protected when the US put whisky tariffs on us to punish us for the state aid mainly benefiting other EU nations.
We have an opportunity to hold politicians to account. When MPs say we can't do something then the question should be why not. We have free reign pretty much on state aid, employment laws, environmental laws, immigration laws.We could tax goods imported based on their emissions as this would drive us to doing dirty things in the UK cleaner rather than exporting the emissions to give one example.1 -
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
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Apart from the chunk of the UK where we don't.john80 said:I don't buy into this. Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU. We were not protected when the US put whisky tariffs on us to punish us for the state aid mainly benefiting other EU nations.
We have an opportunity to hold politicians to account. When MPs say we can't do something then the question should be why not. We have free reign pretty much on state aid, employment laws, environmental laws, immigration laws.We could tax goods imported based on their emissions as this would drive us to doing dirty things in the UK cleaner rather than exporting the emissions to give one example.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
Faster than a tent.......0 -
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
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You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
Faster than a tent.......0 -
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
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john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.0 -
Only you replied to my comment and you evaded the point. Please point me to who else referred to it.john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
As for fan boys; I doubt you have any of those on here.
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Looking at the above post to your reply it would appear Briantrumpet may have trumpeted the figure in the past. That is one example I will let you do the search function.rolf_f said:
Only you replied to my comment and you evaded the point. Please point me to who else referred to it.john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
As for fan boys; I doubt you have any of those on here.0 -
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.0 -
john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.0 -
You still haven't responded to the point I made and Brians post was made after you made your fanboy post. I don't need to go digging around.john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.
As to the £350m - go tell that to the voters of Sunderland. They are starting to realise how mendacious the use of that number was.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/
Note - this article is all a bit "might be, could be" but it does seem that they are starting to worry. It will be interesting to see what happens. There are no obvious downsides from the Govt perspective in cutting the funding to Sunderland.
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While I have no desire to revisit the bus, the idea that £350m a week is justified because it was a gross figure is, I'm afraid, nonsense.
The equivalent would be buying something that is reduced in a sale from £350 to £250, and saying you had spent £350 on it.
The gross figure after thatchers rebate that we had been deducting for 30 years would have been about £250m, and the net figure after payments received from the EU was maybe £160m. Which is surely a big enough number to get the desired effect anyway.0 -
But it's not about whether it's net, gross or whatever - what J80 and all his wrecker pals really don't want to talk about is that Brexit was always going to tank the economy to the tune of far, far more than 350 million a week.kingstongraham said:While I have no desire to revisit the bus, the idea that £350m a week is justified because it was a gross figure is, I'm afraid, nonsense.
The equivalent would be buying something that is reduced in a sale from £350 to £250, and saying you had spent £350 on it.
The gross figure after thatchers rebate that we had been deducting for 30 years would have been about £250m, and the net figure after payments received from the EU was maybe £160m. Which is surely a big enough number to get the desired effect anyway.0 -
Go to this website https://www.myeu.uk/postcode/CA16/6XU and type in your own postcode. Couple of highlights from my area.rolf_f said:
You still haven't responded to the point I made and Brians post was made after you made your fanboy post. I don't need to go digging around.john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.
As to the £350m - go tell that to the voters of Sunderland. They are starting to realise how mendacious the use of that number was.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/
Note - this article is all a bit "might be, could be" but it does seem that they are starting to worry. It will be interesting to see what happens. There are no obvious downsides from the Govt perspective in cutting the funding to Sunderland.
- £67k Moving waters - How Water Shapes us
- £787k Placements in Environmental, Acheological and Traditional Skills
In general Natural England are up around £6 million for two projects alone that in one case may or may not save the freshwater pearl mussel from a river that caused United Utilities to spend billions rerouting water piping around the lake district so that we could take less water from Ennerdale and more from Thirlmere. The second big spend was on a Dune project that quite frankly a single expert working with farmers owning the land would have achieved the same outcome. There are at least 4 projects taking the total to well over £10 million.
The main point in all of the above is that the EU had a pot of our money to give out and in Cumbria in my view 95% of this was nonsense projects that any central government organisation would have baulked at as they have better priorities. £67k for two schools in two countries to talk about how water shapes them. Come on man.
Maybe someone on the forum local to Sunderland can evaluate how many of their projects are something that the local population would consider a serious prospect of the local community getting behind when weighed against their other priorities. This was not free money as it was our money that is being returned.0 -
Is this your house?john80 said:
Go to this website https://www.myeu.uk/postcode/CA16/6XU and type in your own postcode. Couple of highlights from my area.rolf_f said:
You still haven't responded to the point I made and Brians post was made after you made your fanboy post. I don't need to go digging around.john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.
As to the £350m - go tell that to the voters of Sunderland. They are starting to realise how mendacious the use of that number was.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/
Note - this article is all a bit "might be, could be" but it does seem that they are starting to worry. It will be interesting to see what happens. There are no obvious downsides from the Govt perspective in cutting the funding to Sunderland.
- £67k Moving waters - How Water Shapes us
- £787k Placements in Environmental, Acheological and Traditional Skills
In general Natural England are up around £6 million for two projects alone that in one case may or may not save the freshwater pearl mussel from a river that caused United Utilities to spend billions rerouting water piping around the lake district so that we could take less water from Ennerdale and more from Thirlmere. The second big spend was on a Dune project that quite frankly a single expert working with farmers owning the land would have achieved the same outcome. There are at least 4 projects taking the total to well over £10 million.
The main point in all of the above is that the EU had a pot of our money to give out and in Cumbria in my view 95% of this was nonsense projects that any central government organisation would have baulked at as they have better priorities. £67k for two schools in two countries to talk about how water shapes them. Come on man.
Maybe someone on the forum local to Sunderland can evaluate how many of their projects are something that the local population would consider a serious prospect of the local community getting behind when weighed against their other priorities. This was not free money as it was our money that is being returned.
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My local area had a research grant or Greater Operating Temperature Alloy, that included pan European contributions from TIMET and Rolls.
But I'm sure Boris and his crowd of journalists will really care about funding high level engineering research.0 -
But no doubt you are happy with giving £30m to Matt Hancock's barman mate to produce dodgy Covid test vials.john80 said:
Go to this website https://www.myeu.uk/postcode/CA16/6XU and type in your own postcode. Couple of highlights from my area.rolf_f said:
You still haven't responded to the point I made and Brians post was made after you made your fanboy post. I don't need to go digging around.john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.
As to the £350m - go tell that to the voters of Sunderland. They are starting to realise how mendacious the use of that number was.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/
Note - this article is all a bit "might be, could be" but it does seem that they are starting to worry. It will be interesting to see what happens. There are no obvious downsides from the Govt perspective in cutting the funding to Sunderland.
- £67k Moving waters - How Water Shapes us
- £787k Placements in Environmental, Acheological and Traditional Skills
In general Natural England are up around £6 million for two projects alone that in one case may or may not save the freshwater pearl mussel from a river that caused United Utilities to spend billions rerouting water piping around the lake district so that we could take less water from Ennerdale and more from Thirlmere. The second big spend was on a Dune project that quite frankly a single expert working with farmers owning the land would have achieved the same outcome. There are at least 4 projects taking the total to well over £10 million.
The main point in all of the above is that the EU had a pot of our money to give out and in Cumbria in my view 95% of this was nonsense projects that any central government organisation would have baulked at as they have better priorities. £67k for two schools in two countries to talk about how water shapes them. Come on man.
Maybe someone on the forum local to Sunderland can evaluate how many of their projects are something that the local population would consider a serious prospect of the local community getting behind when weighed against their other priorities. This was not free money as it was our money that is being returned.
You're right, central government might have baulked at those proposals. After all, how would their friends benefit from them? You'll be doing so much better from now on of course.
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You can also question Matt Hancock's decision making. They are not immune from criticism if they don't spend money wisely. Deflection onto other issues does not make the EU spend a good idea. Good bit of whataboutery though.rolf_f said:
But no doubt you are happy with giving £30m to Matt Hancock's barman mate to produce dodgy Covid test vials.john80 said:
Go to this website https://www.myeu.uk/postcode/CA16/6XU and type in your own postcode. Couple of highlights from my area.rolf_f said:
You still haven't responded to the point I made and Brians post was made after you made your fanboy post. I don't need to go digging around.john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.
As to the £350m - go tell that to the voters of Sunderland. They are starting to realise how mendacious the use of that number was.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/
Note - this article is all a bit "might be, could be" but it does seem that they are starting to worry. It will be interesting to see what happens. There are no obvious downsides from the Govt perspective in cutting the funding to Sunderland.
- £67k Moving waters - How Water Shapes us
- £787k Placements in Environmental, Acheological and Traditional Skills
In general Natural England are up around £6 million for two projects alone that in one case may or may not save the freshwater pearl mussel from a river that caused United Utilities to spend billions rerouting water piping around the lake district so that we could take less water from Ennerdale and more from Thirlmere. The second big spend was on a Dune project that quite frankly a single expert working with farmers owning the land would have achieved the same outcome. There are at least 4 projects taking the total to well over £10 million.
The main point in all of the above is that the EU had a pot of our money to give out and in Cumbria in my view 95% of this was nonsense projects that any central government organisation would have baulked at as they have better priorities. £67k for two schools in two countries to talk about how water shapes them. Come on man.
Maybe someone on the forum local to Sunderland can evaluate how many of their projects are something that the local population would consider a serious prospect of the local community getting behind when weighed against their other priorities. This was not free money as it was our money that is being returned.
You're right, central government might have baulked at those proposals. After all, how would their friends benefit from them? You'll be doing so much better from now on of course.1 -
£350m x 52 = £18.2bn which has been given to NHS test and trace, so promise fulfilled already for this year.0
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And what percentage would you roughly say was in research versus other projects. My area probably about £200k out of tens of millions. Not a great hit rate was it.Jezyboy said:My local area had a research grant or Greater Operating Temperature Alloy, that included pan European contributions from TIMET and Rolls.
But I'm sure Boris and his crowd of journalists will really care about funding high level engineering research.0 -
The website generalises your postcode you type to one designated one in your area. So no it is not.darkhairedlord said:
Is this your house?john80 said:
Go to this website https://www.myeu.uk/postcode/CA16/6XU and type in your own postcode. Couple of highlights from my area.rolf_f said:
You still haven't responded to the point I made and Brians post was made after you made your fanboy post. I don't need to go digging around.john80 said:
It was a gross figure and not a net figure. Ridicule was mainly driven by remains objectives. The figure on the bus is a factually accurate statement if you understand it is gross figure. Do you get equally outraged about covid vaccines offered versus covid vaccines given.briantrumpet said:john80 said:
You must be my fan boy and not read any other posts on here if you think that is the case.rolf_f said:
You are the only one banging on about a figure on a bus here.......john80 said:
I would argue I miss the point much less than those that keep banging on about a figure on a bus where the basis of the number was widely reported on at the time. It is closely linked to the deligitimising of the referendum whilst conveniently forgetting the bollocks David Cameron and remain spouted daily.rolf_f said:
You miss the point. You've acknowledged that we were not "taking back control" by leaving the EU but in fact losing some control (in that we can no longer make the EU work for us by working with it).john80 said:
Everybody in Britain even the most mathematically illiterate know the underpinning for that figure on the bus. It was widely reported at the time.rolf_f said:
Something honest to have put on the side of a bus........john80 said:Whilst we are an independent country and can be impacted by the actions of others this is as before when in the EU.
If you don't get why the £350m was ridiculed at the time and continues to be referenced, then I guess you never will.
As to the £350m - go tell that to the voters of Sunderland. They are starting to realise how mendacious the use of that number was.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-backing-sunderland-says-it-is-not-receiving-same-level-of-funding-outside-eu-222122/
Note - this article is all a bit "might be, could be" but it does seem that they are starting to worry. It will be interesting to see what happens. There are no obvious downsides from the Govt perspective in cutting the funding to Sunderland.
- £67k Moving waters - How Water Shapes us
- £787k Placements in Environmental, Acheological and Traditional Skills
In general Natural England are up around £6 million for two projects alone that in one case may or may not save the freshwater pearl mussel from a river that caused United Utilities to spend billions rerouting water piping around the lake district so that we could take less water from Ennerdale and more from Thirlmere. The second big spend was on a Dune project that quite frankly a single expert working with farmers owning the land would have achieved the same outcome. There are at least 4 projects taking the total to well over £10 million.
The main point in all of the above is that the EU had a pot of our money to give out and in Cumbria in my view 95% of this was nonsense projects that any central government organisation would have baulked at as they have better priorities. £67k for two schools in two countries to talk about how water shapes them. Come on man.
Maybe someone on the forum local to Sunderland can evaluate how many of their projects are something that the local population would consider a serious prospect of the local community getting behind when weighed against their other priorities. This was not free money as it was our money that is being returned.0 -
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It was never justified. It was merely clarified as a factual statement at the time if you consider it a gross figure. The fact that remain spent so long labouring the point is probably one of the reasons they lost the referendum. Maybe if they had shifted the debate to all those worthwhile EU projects they would have won. I have given you some belters from my area that the public could really have got behind. I am sure you can come up with your own from the webpage. For the avoidance of doubt I am being sarcastic. You would have lost even more if people in Cumbria realised that about £10-20 million pounds of their money had gone to Natural England for projects to maintain, sand dunes, bogs and some mussels.kingstongraham said:While I have no desire to revisit the bus, the idea that £350m a week is justified because it was a gross figure is, I'm afraid, nonsense.
The equivalent would be buying something that is reduced in a sale from £350 to £250, and saying you had spent £350 on it.
The gross figure after thatchers rebate that we had been deducting for 30 years would have been about £250m, and the net figure after payments received from the EU was maybe £160m. Which is surely a big enough number to get the desired effect anyway.
Here is a useful document that supports your figures however it unfortunately does underpin the definition of the 350 that was detailed at the time as well.
http://urbis.europarl.europa.eu/urbis/sites/default/files/generated/document/en/CBP-7886.pdf0 -
OK, if you don't like the word "justified".john80 said:
It was never justified. It was merely clarified as a factual statement at the time if you consider it a gross figure. The fact that remain spent so long labouring the point is probably one of the reasons they lost the referendum. Maybe if they had shifted the debate to all those worthwhile EU projects they would have won. I have given you some belters from my area that the public could really have got behind. I am sure you can come up with your own from the webpage. For the avoidance of doubt I am being sarcastic. You would have lost even more if people in Cumbria realised that about £10-20 million pounds of their money had gone to Natural England for projects to maintain, sand dunes, bogs and some mussels.kingstongraham said:While I have no desire to revisit the bus, the idea that £350m a week is justified because it was a gross figure is, I'm afraid, nonsense.
The equivalent would be buying something that is reduced in a sale from £350 to £250, and saying you had spent £350 on it.
The gross figure after thatchers rebate that we had been deducting for 30 years would have been about £250m, and the net figure after payments received from the EU was maybe £160m. Which is surely a big enough number to get the desired effect anyway.
Here is a useful document that supports your figures however it unfortunately does underpin the definition of the 350 that was detailed at the time as well.
The idea that "we send £350m a week to the EU was ever factual" is nonsense.
The equivalent would be buying something that is reduced in a sale from £350 to £250, and saying you had spent £350 on it. If you're OK with that, there's nothing anyone can say to convince you.0 -
One the spend side but maybe not so much on the benefit side there:)kingstongraham said:£350m x 52 = £18.2bn which has been given to NHS test and trace, so promise fulfilled already for this year.
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