BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Dull morning twitter thread on how leaving the EU has meant that many families can no longer get au pairs.
Brexiters deciding the issue shows that remainers were relying on EU slave labour, and that it was only an option to those living the disgusting bourgie excess of having a house with a spare room.
Remainers complaining that for many it was a great source of affordable childcare that meant parents could keep working.
Me in the middle thinking 100 quid a week is shit pay for being a nanny (although what peice board and accommodation in SE England?) and that whilst it's not "the governments job" to provide childcare, if the government wants people to stay in employment and contribute PAYE, then something probably needs to be done.0 -
What percentage of those with live in nanny's had the other half working. What percentage of those working will reduce their pay packet if their childcare becomes the nursery option. As always it is not black and white but yes paying pennies for the hot young nanny looking for cheap digs and nights off partying in London might become a more difficult role to fill.Jezyboy said:Dull morning twitter thread on how leaving the EU has meant that many families can no longer get au pairs.
Brexiters deciding the issue shows that remainers were relying on EU slave labour, and that it was only an option to those living the disgusting bourgie excess of having a house with a spare room.
Remainers complaining that for many it was a great source of affordable childcare that meant parents could keep working.
Me in the middle thinking 100 quid a week is censored pay for being a nanny (although what peice board and accommodation in SE England?) and that whilst it's not "the governments job" to provide childcare, if the government wants people to stay in employment and contribute PAYE, then something probably needs to be done.0 -
Your opinion sounds awfully like the remainer one.Jezyboy said:Dull morning twitter thread on how leaving the EU has meant that many families can no longer get au pairs.
Brexiters deciding the issue shows that remainers were relying on EU slave labour, and that it was only an option to those living the disgusting bourgie excess of having a house with a spare room.
Remainers complaining that for many it was a great source of affordable childcare that meant parents could keep working.
Me in the middle thinking 100 quid a week is censored pay for being a nanny (although what peice board and accommodation in SE England?) and that whilst it's not "the governments job" to provide childcare, if the government wants people to stay in employment and contribute PAYE, then something probably needs to be done.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I think the argument that paying measly pocket money for childcare is exploitation is a good argument.pangolin said:
Your opinion sounds awfully like the remainer one.Jezyboy said:Dull morning twitter thread on how leaving the EU has meant that many families can no longer get au pairs.
Brexiters deciding the issue shows that remainers were relying on EU slave labour, and that it was only an option to those living the disgusting bourgie excess of having a house with a spare room.
Remainers complaining that for many it was a great source of affordable childcare that meant parents could keep working.
Me in the middle thinking 100 quid a week is censored pay for being a nanny (although what peice board and accommodation in SE England?) and that whilst it's not "the governments job" to provide childcare, if the government wants people to stay in employment and contribute PAYE, then something probably needs to be done.
I also think childcare provision hasn't quite caught up with the idea that women can have serious careers too.
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A lot of our prep was done internally so no external cost for that part as we were not hiring extra to do it. But I would estimate less than 0.01%. Even if you put a cost on the internal time spent it would still be less than 0.1%.rjsterry said:
You've mentioned that you did well out of it personally. Do you have any idea what the total 'Brexit prep' spend was, say as a percentage of turnover?Stevo_666 said:
I was also pretty surprised at how little some large multinationals did to prepare. We set up a 'task force' in March 2016 and I was the mug who volunteered to coordinate it. In my regular chats with advisors on what others were doing, seems as if quite a few of their other clients really weren't doing their homework. And it wasn't that difficult for an average big group that put it's mind to the task.skyblueamateur said:
We've been reasonably lucky but I'm sure there are other industries which will really be struggling. I think they deserve empathy from both sides of the argument and they definitely need the Government to step up to help them as empathy alone isn't going to save jobs. Until the Government admits that Brexit has it's downsides and mitigates for them they're in the censored unfortunately.yorkshireraw said:
Ok - so not stuff that average man in the street needs to buy everyday.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there is a ready made pigeon hole for what we do as we provide a mix of hardware and services. But for the hardware side which is what is in point here, I would describe us as electronic equipment. Without giving too much away....yorkshireraw said:@Stevo_666 can I ask what Industry / sector you're in?
Because there is a shed-load of continuing issues in Food. Which is kind of relevant to everyone who eats i.e. everyone.
And yes, we don't need to eat shellfish, but a lot of our biggest consumption / manufactured products rely on imports / exports, for inputs (ingredients, packaging etc) or exporting finished goods.
Any cost increases (because of additional trade friction or increased transport costs) impacts the end consumer due to the relative (compared to cars, TVs etc) low price of food items and the fact food isn't discretionary spend. Sadly, many of those who voted for Brexit (lower income households in deprived areas) will be disproportionately impacted, as they spend relatively more of their disposable income on food.
It's also pretty important for jobs:
The food sector in GB employed 3.5 million people in Q1 2018 (3.9 million if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers), a 1.0% increase on a year earlier. It covered 12% of GB employment in Q1 2018 (13% if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers).
400K jobs are in manufacturing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-food-chain#:~:text=The food sector3 in,with self-employed farmers).
Not looking for a fight, but am highlighting that while it may be looking ok for one type of business, there are plenty that are having issues, and those issues have potential serious consequences for many people's jobs and the population at large.
Steveo is also correct though and it's surprised me how unprepared some big businesses have been.
Its been a bit of a journey but I'm taking my foot off the pedal now."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Possibly I'm asking the question in the wrong way. I have no real idea how big your group is. What order of magnitude is the group turnover (if you can say)? I would suggest that these things don't scale down proportionately, and the relative cost to an exporting SME with turnover <£1m would be much higher.Stevo_666 said:
A lot of our prep was done internally so no external cost for that part as we were not hiring extra to do it. But I would estimate less than 0.01%. Even if you put a cost on the internal time spent it would still be less than 0.1%.rjsterry said:
You've mentioned that you did well out of it personally. Do you have any idea what the total 'Brexit prep' spend was, say as a percentage of turnover?Stevo_666 said:
I was also pretty surprised at how little some large multinationals did to prepare. We set up a 'task force' in March 2016 and I was the mug who volunteered to coordinate it. In my regular chats with advisors on what others were doing, seems as if quite a few of their other clients really weren't doing their homework. And it wasn't that difficult for an average big group that put it's mind to the task.skyblueamateur said:
We've been reasonably lucky but I'm sure there are other industries which will really be struggling. I think they deserve empathy from both sides of the argument and they definitely need the Government to step up to help them as empathy alone isn't going to save jobs. Until the Government admits that Brexit has it's downsides and mitigates for them they're in the censored unfortunately.yorkshireraw said:
Ok - so not stuff that average man in the street needs to buy everyday.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there is a ready made pigeon hole for what we do as we provide a mix of hardware and services. But for the hardware side which is what is in point here, I would describe us as electronic equipment. Without giving too much away....yorkshireraw said:@Stevo_666 can I ask what Industry / sector you're in?
Because there is a shed-load of continuing issues in Food. Which is kind of relevant to everyone who eats i.e. everyone.
And yes, we don't need to eat shellfish, but a lot of our biggest consumption / manufactured products rely on imports / exports, for inputs (ingredients, packaging etc) or exporting finished goods.
Any cost increases (because of additional trade friction or increased transport costs) impacts the end consumer due to the relative (compared to cars, TVs etc) low price of food items and the fact food isn't discretionary spend. Sadly, many of those who voted for Brexit (lower income households in deprived areas) will be disproportionately impacted, as they spend relatively more of their disposable income on food.
It's also pretty important for jobs:
The food sector in GB employed 3.5 million people in Q1 2018 (3.9 million if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers), a 1.0% increase on a year earlier. It covered 12% of GB employment in Q1 2018 (13% if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers).
400K jobs are in manufacturing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-food-chain#:~:text=The food sector3 in,with self-employed farmers).
Not looking for a fight, but am highlighting that while it may be looking ok for one type of business, there are plenty that are having issues, and those issues have potential serious consequences for many people's jobs and the population at large.
Steveo is also correct though and it's surprised me how unprepared some big businesses have been.
Its been a bit of a journey but I'm taking my foot off the pedal now.
As an aside I find it mind boggling that you don't consider time spent internally as counting towards costs. Maybe that's the difference working in a large business, but surely every minute spent on something you can't charge for is a cost.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This au paire thing is just class warfare.
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Are you actually suprised that others weren't doing their homework?Stevo_666 said:
I was also pretty surprised at how little some large multinationals did to prepare. We set up a 'task force' in March 2016 and I was the mug who volunteered to coordinate it. In my regular chats with advisors on what others were doing, seems as if quite a few of their other clients really weren't doing their homework. And it wasn't that difficult for an average big group that put it's mind to the task.skyblueamateur said:
We've been reasonably lucky but I'm sure there are other industries which will really be struggling. I think they deserve empathy from both sides of the argument and they definitely need the Government to step up to help them as empathy alone isn't going to save jobs. Until the Government admits that Brexit has it's downsides and mitigates for them they're in the censored unfortunately.yorkshireraw said:
Ok - so not stuff that average man in the street needs to buy everyday.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there is a ready made pigeon hole for what we do as we provide a mix of hardware and services. But for the hardware side which is what is in point here, I would describe us as electronic equipment. Without giving too much away....yorkshireraw said:@Stevo_666 can I ask what Industry / sector you're in?
Because there is a shed-load of continuing issues in Food. Which is kind of relevant to everyone who eats i.e. everyone.
And yes, we don't need to eat shellfish, but a lot of our biggest consumption / manufactured products rely on imports / exports, for inputs (ingredients, packaging etc) or exporting finished goods.
Any cost increases (because of additional trade friction or increased transport costs) impacts the end consumer due to the relative (compared to cars, TVs etc) low price of food items and the fact food isn't discretionary spend. Sadly, many of those who voted for Brexit (lower income households in deprived areas) will be disproportionately impacted, as they spend relatively more of their disposable income on food.
It's also pretty important for jobs:
The food sector in GB employed 3.5 million people in Q1 2018 (3.9 million if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers), a 1.0% increase on a year earlier. It covered 12% of GB employment in Q1 2018 (13% if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers).
400K jobs are in manufacturing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-food-chain#:~:text=The food sector3 in,with self-employed farmers).
Not looking for a fight, but am highlighting that while it may be looking ok for one type of business, there are plenty that are having issues, and those issues have potential serious consequences for many people's jobs and the population at large.
Steveo is also correct though and it's surprised me how unprepared some big businesses have been.
Its been a bit of a journey but I'm taking my foot off the pedal now.
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Possibly I'm asking the question in the wrong way. I have no real idea how big your group is. What order of magnitude is the group turnover (if you can say)? I would suggest that these things don't scale down proportionately, and the relative cost to an exporting SME with turnover <£1m would be much higher.
As an aside I find it mind boggling that you don't consider time spent internally as counting towards costs. Maybe that's the difference working in a large business, but surely every minute spent on something you can't charge for is a cost. </p>
Let me help you with this as I work within the Logistics industry Stevo please feel free to correct me If I am wrong. Just to keep it simple companies previously exporting Worldwide there will be hardly any change other than adding a few more countries to the list they have to provide export documents for. The biggest problem we have is not companies not knowing current regulations but mainly EU countries struggling with the new rules due to lack of preparation. France & Ireland are the biggest nightmare for example we had French customs rejecting shipments due to not having the receivers VAT/EORI or Tax ID. The normal procedure would be to check internal systems as known shipper or contact receiver not just return which is what happens Worldwide.
Although everyday gets better - oh unrelated Sea Food has always been getting through and most of the companies complaining are the unprepared ones. Our specialist Brexit Team are no more by the end of Feb and Brexit issues will now be supported by regular CS staff as most queries are to do with tax so clients should be speaking with HMRC, Accountant or Local country version of HMRC.
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Let me help you with this as I work within the Logistics industry Stevo please feel free to correct me If I am wrong. Just to keep it simple companies previously exporting Worldwide there will be hardly any change other than adding a few more countries to the list they have to provide export documents for. The biggest problem we have is not companies not knowing current regulations but mainly EU countries struggling with the new rules due to lack of preparation. France & Ireland are the biggest nightmare for example we had French customs rejecting shipments due to not having the receivers VAT/EORI or Tax ID. The normal procedure would be to check internal systems as known shipper or contact receiver not just return which is what happens Worldwide.loltoride said:Possibly I'm asking the question in the wrong way. I have no real idea how big your group is. What order of magnitude is the group turnover (if you can say)? I would suggest that these things don't scale down proportionately, and the relative cost to an exporting SME with turnover <£1m would be much higher.
As an aside I find it mind boggling that you don't consider time spent internally as counting towards costs. Maybe that's the difference working in a large business, but surely every minute spent on something you can't charge for is a cost. </p>
Although everyday gets better - oh unrelated Sea Food has always been getting through and most of the companies complaining are the unprepared ones. Our specialist Brexit Team are no more by the end of Feb and Brexit issues will now be supported by regular CS staff as most queries are to do with tax so clients should be speaking with HMRC, Accountant or Local country version of HMRC.
It's not just companies complaining, its industry bodies, which suggests its a lot of people being affected.0 -
It's not just companies complaining, its industry bodies, which suggests its a lot of people being affected.
Industry bodies what else can they do other than complain they have to justify there membership fees. The case is Jan / Feb are normally the end of peak season although covid has something to do with it but all the main carriers are producing record numbers even now. So goods are being sold and moving at record numbers so I presume not all members of industry bodies have an issue.
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It's not just companies complaining, its industry bodies, which suggests its a lot of people being affected.loltoride said:
Industry bodies what else can they do other than complain they have to justify there membership fees. The case is Jan / Feb are normally the end of peak season although covid has something to do with it but all the main carriers are producing record numbers even now. So goods are being sold and moving at record numbers so I presume not all members of industry bodies have an issue.
Peak for what?
Also, doesn't mean the industry bodies aren't right.0 -
Annual turnover is in the £10bn-£15bn bracket.rjsterry said:
Possibly I'm asking the question in the wrong way. I have no real idea how big your group is. What order of magnitude is the group turnover (if you can say)? I would suggest that these things don't scale down proportionately, and the relative cost to an exporting SME with turnover <£1m would be much higher.Stevo_666 said:
A lot of our prep was done internally so no external cost for that part as we were not hiring extra to do it. But I would estimate less than 0.01%. Even if you put a cost on the internal time spent it would still be less than 0.1%.rjsterry said:
You've mentioned that you did well out of it personally. Do you have any idea what the total 'Brexit prep' spend was, say as a percentage of turnover?Stevo_666 said:
I was also pretty surprised at how little some large multinationals did to prepare. We set up a 'task force' in March 2016 and I was the mug who volunteered to coordinate it. In my regular chats with advisors on what others were doing, seems as if quite a few of their other clients really weren't doing their homework. And it wasn't that difficult for an average big group that put it's mind to the task.skyblueamateur said:
We've been reasonably lucky but I'm sure there are other industries which will really be struggling. I think they deserve empathy from both sides of the argument and they definitely need the Government to step up to help them as empathy alone isn't going to save jobs. Until the Government admits that Brexit has it's downsides and mitigates for them they're in the censored unfortunately.yorkshireraw said:
Ok - so not stuff that average man in the street needs to buy everyday.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there is a ready made pigeon hole for what we do as we provide a mix of hardware and services. But for the hardware side which is what is in point here, I would describe us as electronic equipment. Without giving too much away....yorkshireraw said:@Stevo_666 can I ask what Industry / sector you're in?
Because there is a shed-load of continuing issues in Food. Which is kind of relevant to everyone who eats i.e. everyone.
And yes, we don't need to eat shellfish, but a lot of our biggest consumption / manufactured products rely on imports / exports, for inputs (ingredients, packaging etc) or exporting finished goods.
Any cost increases (because of additional trade friction or increased transport costs) impacts the end consumer due to the relative (compared to cars, TVs etc) low price of food items and the fact food isn't discretionary spend. Sadly, many of those who voted for Brexit (lower income households in deprived areas) will be disproportionately impacted, as they spend relatively more of their disposable income on food.
It's also pretty important for jobs:
The food sector in GB employed 3.5 million people in Q1 2018 (3.9 million if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers), a 1.0% increase on a year earlier. It covered 12% of GB employment in Q1 2018 (13% if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers).
400K jobs are in manufacturing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-food-chain#:~:text=The food sector3 in,with self-employed farmers).
Not looking for a fight, but am highlighting that while it may be looking ok for one type of business, there are plenty that are having issues, and those issues have potential serious consequences for many people's jobs and the population at large.
Steveo is also correct though and it's surprised me how unprepared some big businesses have been.
Its been a bit of a journey but I'm taking my foot off the pedal now.
As an aside I find it mind boggling that you don't consider time spent internally as counting towards costs. Maybe that's the difference working in a large business, but surely every minute spent on something you can't charge for is a cost. </p>
When you say 'surely every minute spent on something you can't charge for is a cost' - it isn't: the people involved were not getting charged to customers by the hour. In fact very few do in this line of business. We manage the issues that need dealing with and the cost to the business of employing us is the same whatever we work on.
They may not scale down proportionately but that's the score for my outfit."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
If the cost isn't passed on, then it's increased overheads and a lower margin.0
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Let me help you with this as I work within the Logistics industry Stevo please feel free to correct me If I am wrong. Just to keep it simple companies previously exporting Worldwide there will be hardly any change other than adding a few more countries to the list they have to provide export documents for. The biggest problem we have is not companies not knowing current regulations but mainly EU countries struggling with the new rules due to lack of preparation. France & Ireland are the biggest nightmare for example we had French customs rejecting shipments due to not having the receivers VAT/EORI or Tax ID. The normal procedure would be to check internal systems as known shipper or contact receiver not just return which is what happens Worldwide.loltoride said:Possibly I'm asking the question in the wrong way. I have no real idea how big your group is. What order of magnitude is the group turnover (if you can say)? I would suggest that these things don't scale down proportionately, and the relative cost to an exporting SME with turnover <£1m would be much higher.
As an aside I find it mind boggling that you don't consider time spent internally as counting towards costs. Maybe that's the difference working in a large business, but surely every minute spent on something you can't charge for is a cost. </p>
Although everyday gets better - oh unrelated Sea Food has always been getting through and most of the companies complaining are the unprepared ones. Our specialist Brexit Team are no more by the end of Feb and Brexit issues will now be supported by regular CS staff as most queries are to do with tax so clients should be speaking with HMRC, Accountant or Local country version of HMRC.
I can't see anything in there that I would say is wrong.
The point above about the unprepared ones being the ones complaining makes sense. Like you, we are starting to dismantle the Brexit team apparatus in our organisation as things start to normalise.
In the end there were always going to be problems to be solved and errors moving to a new set of procedures etc but that is and will continue to drop away as it becomes BAU. I think quite a few people here wrongly seem to think that a lot of these early weeks type issues are somehow here to stay (or would like it to be that way so they can say that they were right)."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm definitely surprised about the larger groups and multinationals not doing it. People in the relevant parts of those sorts of organisations would have to be living under a rock not be aware of the situation and the need to prepare.Jezyboy said:
Are you actually suprised that others weren't doing their homework?Stevo_666 said:
I was also pretty surprised at how little some large multinationals did to prepare. We set up a 'task force' in March 2016 and I was the mug who volunteered to coordinate it. In my regular chats with advisors on what others were doing, seems as if quite a few of their other clients really weren't doing their homework. And it wasn't that difficult for an average big group that put it's mind to the task.skyblueamateur said:
We've been reasonably lucky but I'm sure there are other industries which will really be struggling. I think they deserve empathy from both sides of the argument and they definitely need the Government to step up to help them as empathy alone isn't going to save jobs. Until the Government admits that Brexit has it's downsides and mitigates for them they're in the censored unfortunately.yorkshireraw said:
Ok - so not stuff that average man in the street needs to buy everyday.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there is a ready made pigeon hole for what we do as we provide a mix of hardware and services. But for the hardware side which is what is in point here, I would describe us as electronic equipment. Without giving too much away....yorkshireraw said:@Stevo_666 can I ask what Industry / sector you're in?
Because there is a shed-load of continuing issues in Food. Which is kind of relevant to everyone who eats i.e. everyone.
And yes, we don't need to eat shellfish, but a lot of our biggest consumption / manufactured products rely on imports / exports, for inputs (ingredients, packaging etc) or exporting finished goods.
Any cost increases (because of additional trade friction or increased transport costs) impacts the end consumer due to the relative (compared to cars, TVs etc) low price of food items and the fact food isn't discretionary spend. Sadly, many of those who voted for Brexit (lower income households in deprived areas) will be disproportionately impacted, as they spend relatively more of their disposable income on food.
It's also pretty important for jobs:
The food sector in GB employed 3.5 million people in Q1 2018 (3.9 million if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers), a 1.0% increase on a year earlier. It covered 12% of GB employment in Q1 2018 (13% if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers).
400K jobs are in manufacturing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-food-chain#:~:text=The food sector3 in,with self-employed farmers).
Not looking for a fight, but am highlighting that while it may be looking ok for one type of business, there are plenty that are having issues, and those issues have potential serious consequences for many people's jobs and the population at large.
Steveo is also correct though and it's surprised me how unprepared some big businesses have been.
Its been a bit of a journey but I'm taking my foot off the pedal now."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Peak for what?
Starting Aug-Sept volume of freight moving increases 20-35% company's gearing up for the holiday period, this year we hired 80,000 seasonal staff in the US alone
Also, doesn't mean the industry bodies aren't right.
I would agree I am just giving you facts from my organization that carry's more air freight (Volume) than any other airline.
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No, there's two sets of issues. One is the unexpected or unplanned for short term issues, the other are the permanent higher costs of doing business.Stevo_666 said:
In the end there were always going to be problems to be solved and errors moving to a new set of procedures etc but that is and will continue to drop away as it becomes BAU. I think quite a few people here wrongly seem to think that a lot of these early weeks type issues are somehow here to stay (or would like it to be that way so they can say that they were right).
The second will just be a drag on potential performance, as was always stated.0 -
Are you actually suprised that others weren't doing their homework?
I'm definitely surprised about the larger groups and multinationals not doing it. People in the relevant parts of those sorts of organisations would have to be living under a rock not be aware of the situation and the need to prepare.
Likewise we have been shocked by some organization's preparedness a large bank I know of did not even apply for a EORI number until 2nd week of Jan. Prior to Brexit HMRC where taking about 7-10 days for a EORI number now 2-3 days.
So Far!0 -
Ok, don't want to be a censored, but not sure what hiring extra staff in the US has to do with Brexit?
I'd also imagine air freight between UK and the EU is very small compared to shipping and via the tunnel?0 -
Ignore, I'm just fixing the broken quotes.loltoride said:
Likewise we have been shocked by some organization's preparedness a large bank I know of did not even apply for a EORI number until 2nd week of Jan. Prior to Brexit HMRC where taking about 7-10 days for a EORI number now 2-3 days.Stevo_666 said:
I'm definitely surprised about the larger groups and multinationals not doing it. People in the relevant parts of those sorts of organisations would have to be living under a rock not be aware of the situation and the need to prepare.jezyboy said:Are you actually suprised that others weren't doing their homework?
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Peak for what?loltoride said:
Starting Aug-Sept volume of freight moving increases 20-35% company's gearing up for the holiday period, this year we hired 80,000 seasonal staff in the US alone
Also, doesn't mean the industry bodies aren't right.
I would agree I am just giving you facts from my organization that carry's more air freight (Volume) than any other airline.
Biggest part of that peak is driven by CNY.
A huge uplift in goods coming out of China prior to everything shutting down which is compounded further by this shutdown hitting exactly when spring goods need to ship into northern hemisphere markets.
Little relevance to Brexit I’d say.0 -
I was referring to the shorter term issues as you can see above. We know things like the extra cost of paperwork is there and in a few cases extra duties. As I've said before a sense of perspective is needed on how significant these are as there is a tendency to exaggerate them on here.kingstongraham said:
No, there's two sets of issues. One is the unexpected or unplanned for short term issues, the other are the permanent higher costs of doing business.Stevo_666 said:
In the end there were always going to be problems to be solved and errors moving to a new set of procedures etc but that is and will continue to drop away as it becomes BAU. I think quite a few people here wrongly seem to think that a lot of these early weeks type issues are somehow here to stay (or would like it to be that way so they can say that they were right).
The second will just be a drag on potential performance, as was always stated."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Seems to be a bit of an antiquated system to me.rick_chasey said:This au paire thing is just class warfare.
People wanting to take things away or spoil them from others.0 -
I don't know what extra staff has to do with Brexit either where was this mentioned?elbowloh said:
Ok, don't want to be a censored, but not sure what hiring extra staff in the US has to do with Brexit?
I'd also imagine air freight between UK and the EU is very small compared to shipping and via the tunnel?
You would be surprised road and tunnel generally take lower value items but goods of high value normally travel by air, the longer goods are in a network the more chance of an issue.So Far!0 -
I suspect there's a number of excuses.Stevo_666 said:
I'm definitely surprised about the larger groups and multinationals not doing it. People in the relevant parts of those sorts of organisations would have to be living under a rock not be aware of the situation and the need to prepare.Jezyboy said:
Are you actually suprised that others weren't doing their homework?Stevo_666 said:
I was also pretty surprised at how little some large multinationals did to prepare. We set up a 'task force' in March 2016 and I was the mug who volunteered to coordinate it. In my regular chats with advisors on what others were doing, seems as if quite a few of their other clients really weren't doing their homework. And it wasn't that difficult for an average big group that put it's mind to the task.skyblueamateur said:
We've been reasonably lucky but I'm sure there are other industries which will really be struggling. I think they deserve empathy from both sides of the argument and they definitely need the Government to step up to help them as empathy alone isn't going to save jobs. Until the Government admits that Brexit has it's downsides and mitigates for them they're in the censored unfortunately.yorkshireraw said:
Ok - so not stuff that average man in the street needs to buy everyday.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there is a ready made pigeon hole for what we do as we provide a mix of hardware and services. But for the hardware side which is what is in point here, I would describe us as electronic equipment. Without giving too much away....yorkshireraw said:@Stevo_666 can I ask what Industry / sector you're in?
Because there is a shed-load of continuing issues in Food. Which is kind of relevant to everyone who eats i.e. everyone.
And yes, we don't need to eat shellfish, but a lot of our biggest consumption / manufactured products rely on imports / exports, for inputs (ingredients, packaging etc) or exporting finished goods.
Any cost increases (because of additional trade friction or increased transport costs) impacts the end consumer due to the relative (compared to cars, TVs etc) low price of food items and the fact food isn't discretionary spend. Sadly, many of those who voted for Brexit (lower income households in deprived areas) will be disproportionately impacted, as they spend relatively more of their disposable income on food.
It's also pretty important for jobs:
The food sector in GB employed 3.5 million people in Q1 2018 (3.9 million if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers), a 1.0% increase on a year earlier. It covered 12% of GB employment in Q1 2018 (13% if agriculture and fishing are included along with self-employed farmers).
400K jobs are in manufacturing.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-food-chain#:~:text=The food sector3 in,with self-employed farmers).
Not looking for a fight, but am highlighting that while it may be looking ok for one type of business, there are plenty that are having issues, and those issues have potential serious consequences for many people's jobs and the population at large.
Steveo is also correct though and it's surprised me how unprepared some big businesses have been.
Its been a bit of a journey but I'm taking my foot off the pedal now.
For true multinationals, they would be used to dealing in/out of the EU. So they may feel comfortable with the practicalities even if they are a ball ache.
For many, it could be filed under somebody else's problem. Which is fine...so long as there's someone who has ownership of the problem.
For others they possibly got prepared for the first few possible cliff edges and then got tired of it, then burnt through any extra energy dealing with covid.
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That's the nature of the news.Stevo_666 said:
I was referring to the shorter term issues as you can see above. We know things like the extra cost of paperwork is there and in a few cases extra duties. As I've said before a sense of perspective is needed on how significant these are as there is a tendency to exaggerate them on here.kingstongraham said:
No, there's two sets of issues. One is the unexpected or unplanned for short term issues, the other are the permanent higher costs of doing business.Stevo_666 said:
In the end there were always going to be problems to be solved and errors moving to a new set of procedures etc but that is and will continue to drop away as it becomes BAU. I think quite a few people here wrongly seem to think that a lot of these early weeks type issues are somehow here to stay (or would like it to be that way so they can say that they were right).
The second will just be a drag on potential performance, as was always stated.
Once those poor bastards who no longer have a business model have gone, and people have settled into the new less efficient way of working, we'll just carry on with trade with the EU being x% smaller and x% more costly than before and that's just the way it is.
We won't even notice it's worse than it could have been.0 -
It's is the direct equivalent of ski/summer season staff who go and work in a hotel in exchange for food, accommodation and a lift pass... (Oh and a bit of learning French.)TheBigBean said:
Seems to be a bit of an antiquated system to me.rick_chasey said:This au paire thing is just class warfare.
People wanting to take things away or spoil them from others.
Why do I suspect the brexit morons in the replies to the tweet are the exact same people who book Crystal holidays to Greece/Spain so they can have fish n chips and a nice English rep not one of them brown people...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Reading you posts is like reading a racists posts except your hatred is for people you voted for Brexit. Glad to see you are still pushing the brexit racist link.ddraver said:
It's is the direct equivalent of ski/summer season staff who go and work in a hotel in exchange for food, accommodation and a lift pass... (Oh and a bit of learning French.)TheBigBean said:
Seems to be a bit of an antiquated system to me.rick_chasey said:This au paire thing is just class warfare.
People wanting to take things away or spoil them from others.
Why do I suspect the brexit morons in the replies to the tweet are the exact same people who book Crystal holidays to Greece/Spain so they can have fish n chips and a nice English rep not one of them brown people...1
