BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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For every Operation Stack/Brock implementation, fresh produce and live animal transport had been prioritised and these lorries move to the front of any queue. Why would that be different this time?kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.
It is why there were no stock shortages during the 40-odd day Operation Stack in the summer of 2015.0 -
I have to take an objective view and say that just because something might be a bit difficult is not a good enough reason not to do it.
However, as I don’t envisage the upside to Brexit, it does just seem like additional cost with no upside.
Wonder how the supermarkets supply agreements will handle spoiled produce that has gone off in transit.0 -
A decent journalist (are there any left?) would ask what stock disruption Tesco experienced in the summer of 2015kingstongraham said:
I think that's what Mr Tesco was saying.Stevo_666 said:
OK, so lets say there are some border delays for a period after 31 December. You might not be able to get exactly the type of fresh fruit and veg you want into the supermarket - a bit like going in to shop closer to closing time or the week before Christmas - a bit inconvenient but not a massive issue. Then when the supply chain adjusts, it goes away. The world will stay on its axis even if you do have do without your pack of favourite blueberries or whatever for a short while.kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.
Although it will kill their clicks for a scaremongering story as the answer would be none that were noticed at a customer level.0 -
This won't happen as the transit of fresh produce has been prioritised during every channel delay since Operation Stack was first used.morstar said:I have to take an objective view and say that just because something might be a bit difficult is not a good enough reason not to do it.
However, as I don’t envisage the upside to Brexit, it does just seem like additional cost with no upside.
Wonder how the supermarkets supply agreements will handle spoiled produce that has gone off in transit.
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lack of vetscoopster_the_1st said:
For every Operation Stack/Brock implementation, fresh produce and live animal transport had been prioritised and these lorries move to the front of any queue. Why would that be different this time?kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.
It is why there were no stock shortages during the 40-odd day Operation Stack in the summer of 2015.0 -
Are vets needed for tomatoes and Oranges?surrey_commuter said:
lack of vetscoopster_the_1st said:
For every Operation Stack/Brock implementation, fresh produce and live animal transport had been prioritised and these lorries move to the front of any queue. Why would that be different this time?kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.
It is why there were no stock shortages during the 40-odd day Operation Stack in the summer of 2015.0 -
I'm no expert, and I assume Mr Tesco is, but we import more in the winter, because it's the winter.0
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How was I to know that is what you meant by live animal transport?coopster_the_1st said:
Are vets needed for tomatoes and Oranges?surrey_commuter said:
lack of vetscoopster_the_1st said:
For every Operation Stack/Brock implementation, fresh produce and live animal transport had been prioritised and these lorries move to the front of any queue. Why would that be different this time?kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.
It is why there were no stock shortages during the 40-odd day Operation Stack in the summer of 2015.2 -
Sweden, surely!pangolin said:Can we get it all from Norway?
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Not overly bothered about delays to fresh fruit and veg to be honest. We never used to have strawberries in the shops in winter, fruit and veg was seasonal. I'd be happy to see an end to it being shipped hundreds of miles because some hipser wants avacado instead of swede. As long as there are no delays on the staples such as crisps and chocolate it won't be an issue.1
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Maybe people need to have a think about seasonal fruit and veg. It is very first world to think that strawberries in January is the norm and does not come with some environmental drawbacks.kingstongraham said:It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.
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Hipster food like Avocado is environmentally damaging and the human cost is horiffic too. But it makes a good filling breakfast before going on an extinction rebellion protest so it gets a passjohn80 said:
Maybe people need to have a think about seasonal fruit and veg. It is very first world to think that strawberries in January is the norm and does not come with some environmental drawbacks.kingstongraham said:It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.
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Really reaching for the positives here guys- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Barnier seems to have made a pleasant speech to the MEPs.
I think the question I would want to know the answer to if I was Frost is whether Barnier thinks he can get some sense out of Macron.
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Maybe we should start exporting salty remainers tears? their seems plenty on here! we`ll do a roaring trade and maybe import more toys because it seems many of them have been thrown out of the Pram!
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no tears here, just contempt for whining brexiter traitorsspatt77 said:Maybe we should start exporting salty remainers tears? their seems plenty on here! we`ll do a roaring trade and maybe import more toys because it seems many of them have been thrown out of the Pram!
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
First bite goes to Sungod!sungod said:
no tears here, just contempt for whining brexiter traitorsspatt77 said:Maybe we should start exporting salty remainers tears? their seems plenty on here! we`ll do a roaring trade and maybe import more toys because it seems many of them have been thrown out of the Pram!
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I agree with your sentiment and even try and eat seasonal fruit and veg but it is not an easy challenge when you are used to everything 12 months of the yearjohn80 said:
Maybe people need to have a think about seasonal fruit and veg. It is very first world to think that strawberries in January is the norm and does not come with some environmental drawbacks.kingstongraham said:It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.
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I think you should stand in his shoes for a moment, it might help you be more understanding.rick_chasey said:
Certainly won’t find many buyers for this quality of chat jfcspatt77 said:Maybe we should start exporting salty remainers tears? their seems plenty on here! we`ll do a roaring trade and maybe import more toys because it seems many of them have been thrown out of the Pram!
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This is the first world 🙄john80 said:
Maybe people need to have a think about seasonal fruit and veg. It is very first world to think that strawberries in January is the norm and does not come with some environmental drawbacks.kingstongraham said:It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.
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By businesses and customs authorities etc getting used to the new way of doing things. I'm sure logistics people can fill you in.rick_chasey said:How does it adjust?
And by the French not being difficult."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Effectively - not a massive issue.kingstongraham said:
I think that's what Mr Tesco was saying.Stevo_666 said:
OK, so lets say there are some border delays for a period after 31 December. You might not be able to get exactly the type of fresh fruit and veg you want into the supermarket - a bit like going in to shop closer to closing time or the week before Christmas - a bit inconvenient but not a massive issue. Then when the supply chain adjusts, it goes away. The world will stay on its axis even if you do have do without your pack of favourite blueberries or whatever for a short while.kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Talks are back on.0
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So how does it get to the same flow as before?Stevo_666 said:
By businesses and customs authorities etc getting used to the new way of doing things. I'm sure logistics people can fill you in.rick_chasey said:How does it adjust?
And by the French not being difficult.
When no checks become some checks you can’t bend time0 -
What exactly are you referring to?rick_chasey said:This apologising for things getting worse, wtf.
Why not strive for better?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Now there's a challenge.TheBigBean said:Barnier seems to have made a pleasant speech to the MEPs.
I think the question I would want to know the answer to if I was Frost is whether Barnier thinks he can get some sense out of Macron.
Maybe a good idea to remind him that maybe now isn't the time to try increasing his own popularity by talking tough about the Brits."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What if they do the checks on the boat?rick_chasey said:
So how does it get to the same flow as before?Stevo_666 said:
By businesses and customs authorities etc getting used to the new way of doing things. I'm sure logistics people can fill you in.rick_chasey said:How does it adjust?
And by the French not being difficult.
When no checks become some checks you can’t bend time0 -
We were the "first world" 30 years ago and ate more seasonally then, I actually preferred it, exotic fruit was a real treat and something to look forward too. if that isn't your thing modern farming methods may sort any shortage that could happen.rick_chasey said:
This is the first world 🙄john80 said:
Maybe people need to have a think about seasonal fruit and veg. It is very first world to think that strawberries in January is the norm and does not come with some environmental drawbacks.kingstongraham said:It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.
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