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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    TailWindHome wrote:
    https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-seek-brexit-extension-if-no-deal-agreed-by-19-october-11827149
    Boris Johnson will seek a Brexit extension from the EU if no withdrawal deal is reached by 19 October, government documents say.

    The revelation in a Scottish court appears to be a direct contradiction of what the prime minister has said in public, insisting there would be no further delay and that the UK would leave the bloc on 31 October, with or without an agreement.

    Soon to be found 'dead in a ditch'...
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Alejandrosdog wrote:
    [Well thank the stars then that Parliament is quite capable of repealing or amending existing acts or producing others.

    That's not straightforward with a govt majority of -43

    hahah yes potentially but legislation that would enable a supported Brexit agreement should be easier to pass (in principal).

    and potentially very quickly too to enable the deal to be agreed before the 31st October.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    TailWindHome wrote:
    https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-seek-brexit-extension-if-no-deal-agreed-by-19-october-11827149
    Boris Johnson will seek a Brexit extension from the EU if no withdrawal deal is reached by 19 October, government documents say.

    The revelation in a Scottish court appears to be a direct contradiction of what the prime minister has said in public, insisting there would be no further delay and that the UK would leave the bloc on 31 October, with or without an agreement.

    Steve Baker giving it his best "nothing to see here".
    Steve Baker MP
    (@SteveBakerHW)
    A source confirms all this means is that Government will obey the law.

    It does not mean we will extend.

    It does not mean we will stay in the EU beyond Oct 31.

    We will leave. https://t.co/LuVt45rMAr

    October 4, 2019
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    edited October 2019
    Robert88 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Shout out to Gove who on German national unity day, in Germany, likens Brexit to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Eastern European quest for freedom.


    What a moron.

    A cheating liar yes but moron?

    He saw the Leave campaign sell Brexit to enough voters to win the referendum. They swallowed the lies so easily.

    He has evidence to show they are stupid enough to believe this deceit. Not that I would call Leave voters morons of course, just very easily taken in, poor creatures.

    Lemmings.jpg?resize=450%2C322
    We have been told for years that the great british public knows what they are doing, they can smell a rat and there is wisdom in crowds.

    If the pubic are stupid and dont know what they are doing well neither do it leaders. This is also an agrument for dictorship as why give the vote to the stupid. Stupidity is not what drove brexit. Humans can convince themsleves an alternate reality is true, in fact leavers think remainers are in a deluded alternate relaity. Who can honestly say. also it possible the english no longer care about how rich they are and how much world influence they have. It is possible that the foundations of liberal western democracy are not no longer held as important by half the voting public. Thats could be what we are seeing.
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  • kajjal
    kajjal Posts: 3,380
    Where do I apply for the refund of the £100,000,000 that has just been spaffed up the wall on the current Brexit "information" campaign ?
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    TailWindHome wrote:
    https://news.sky.com/story/pm-will-seek-brexit-extension-if-no-deal-agreed-by-19-october-11827149
    Boris Johnson will seek a Brexit extension from the EU if no withdrawal deal is reached by 19 October, government documents say.

    The revelation in a Scottish court appears to be a direct contradiction of what the prime minister has said in public, insisting there would be no further delay and that the UK would leave the bloc on 31 October, with or without an agreement.

    this case started just after the ben act passed and johson said I'll die in a ditch before I ask for an extension.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Longshot
    Longshot Posts: 940
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    This is also an agrument for dictorship as why give the vote to the stupid.

    Most people would be happier with a benevolent dictatorship.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    until it no longer benovolant. The only dictorship I would be happy to live is one where I am ruler. Anyone who disagrees is on a rocket to the moon. I think I might end up as ruler a country with no people.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Longshot
    Longshot Posts: 940
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    until it no longer benovolant. The only dictorship I would be happy to live is one where I am ruler. Anyone who disagrees is on a rocket to the moon. I think I might end up as ruler a country with no people.

    Not sure about the rocket. A friend of mine had a similar idea but, instead, it involved a large circus cannon on Beachy Head, facing South. It not only provided some entertainment for the masses but also provided the chance at rehabilitation as, if you could make it back to shore alive, you were allowed to start again with a clean slate.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Nigel Farage
    (@Nigel_Farage)
    Boris said we would leave by October 31st “do or die”.

    Why does he keep saying things that are not true? https://t.co/0KU1LGhTWt

    October 4, 2019

    Oh, sweetheart...
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  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Longshot wrote:
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    until it no longer benovolant. The only dictorship I would be happy to live is one where I am ruler. Anyone who disagrees is on a rocket to the moon. I think I might end up as ruler a country with no people.

    Not sure about the rocket. A friend of mine had a similar idea but, instead, it involved a large circus cannon on Beachy Head, facing South. It not only provided some entertainment for the masses but also provided the chance at rehabilitation as, if you could make it back to shore alive, you were allowed to start again with a clean slate.

    This is also why me and your friend should not be ruler.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    It doesn't really matter what you propose or when, in these times it'll still be guaranteed to be one of the less stupid governing ideas of the day.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Doesn’t customs border contravene the GFA on the premise of “no hard border”.

    Tech or no tech.

    It doesn't mentioned hard borders. Only reference is to "the removal of security installations".

    Which surely is?

    No, it refers to the military posts which were on the border.

    The working assumption is that the military would need to defend the customs posts.


    Interestingly the PSNI Chief Constable has told the PM that the PSNI 'won't police customs checkpoints'

    Not sure what exactly that means or if the PSNI 'can' refuse to police customs checkpoints.

    It's not a police job is it? Surely it should be handled by Customs & Excise?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Pross wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Doesn’t customs border contravene the GFA on the premise of “no hard border”.

    Tech or no tech.

    It doesn't mentioned hard borders. Only reference is to "the removal of security installations".

    Which surely is?

    No, it refers to the military posts which were on the border.

    The working assumption is that the military would need to defend the customs posts.


    Interestingly the PSNI Chief Constable has told the PM that the PSNI 'won't police customs checkpoints'

    Not sure what exactly that means or if the PSNI 'can' refuse to police customs checkpoints.

    It's not a police job is it? Surely it should be handled by Customs & Excise?

    I think the question will be, what happens when the man from Customs & Excise gets a smack in the mouth?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.
    Can't see any problems with that. Very diplomatic in fact.

    Not sure if the abuse he got upthread was leftiebollox, Eurobollox or both :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.

    It is pretty bland stuff. But then he's always been known for being flawlessly polite in person while employing other people to do all the necessary briefing.
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  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.
    Can't see any problems with that. Very diplomatic in fact.

    Not sure if the abuse he got upthread was leftiebollox, Eurobollox or both :)

    Theres a surfit of lefty bollox in here
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.
    Can't see any problems with that. Very diplomatic in fact.

    Not sure if the abuse he got upthread was leftiebollox, Eurobollox or both :)

    Did some thicko misrepresent/fail to understand what was said?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Yes and yes :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Yes and yes :)
    Yes because only a leftie could do such a heinous thing
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Yes and yes :)
    Yes because only a leftie could do such a heinous thing
    Given that in this case it is unjustified slagging of Gove, who would you expect to do it?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.
    Can't see any problems with that. Very diplomatic in fact.

    Not sure if the abuse he got upthread was leftiebollox, Eurobollox or both :)

    Did some thicko misrepresent/fail to understand what was said?

    Ok this is all trolling.

    If you can’t see what the offence was and why people in the room were heckling you clearly don’t know your history.
    _
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    The Irish customs border zone apparently..... (quite a high percentage of the whole of NI covered!)

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/01/irish-customs-no-mans-land-look-like-10839369/

    I wonder how far people will need to travel to these places away from the border that they'll need to go to for their customs checking. Bit of a bummer if you need to make a 5 mile deliver via a 50 mile round trip to a customs check point not at the border. There's probably a reason why border customs checks are normally carried out at the border....
    they'll try to do it with just two, one at Omagh, one at Armagh. what could go wrong?

    I am sure a few people will moan but why not straighten out the border and utilise those two big lakes it would more than halve the problem.

    Are you serious ? You may as well say we have to Annex Ireland as that will sort out the problem. I'm sure it won't be much more fuss.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,326
    cougie wrote:
    Are you serious ? You may as well say we have to Annex Ireland as that will sort out the problem. I'm sure it won't be much more fuss.
    Not the first time it has been suggested.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Transript of Gove's perfectly reasonable speech at the German embassy

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... tober-2019

    The most interesting thing about it is the fake news it generated. No doubt there will be apologies for misrepresnting him.
    Can't see any problems with that. Very diplomatic in fact.

    Not sure if the abuse he got upthread was leftiebollox, Eurobollox or both :)

    Did some thicko misrepresent/fail to understand what was said?

    Ok this is all trolling.

    If you can’t see what the offence was and why people in the room were heckling you clearly don’t know your history.
    He didn't make the comparison you claimed below:
    "Shout out to Gove who on German national unity day, in Germany, likens Brexit to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Eastern European quest for freedom."

    Try reading the link again as it sets out exactly what he said. Then quote the bit where you think he makes this comparison because I can't see it.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Lib Dems to stand aside in Beaconsfield.
    Grieve running as independent
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Lib Dems to stand aside in Beaconsfield.
    Grieve running as independent

    51% remain seat with a huge Tory majority that was present even before Grieve became the MP.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    cougie wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    The Irish customs border zone apparently..... (quite a high percentage of the whole of NI covered!)

    https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/01/irish-customs-no-mans-land-look-like-10839369/

    I wonder how far people will need to travel to these places away from the border that they'll need to go to for their customs checking. Bit of a bummer if you need to make a 5 mile deliver via a 50 mile round trip to a customs check point not at the border. There's probably a reason why border customs checks are normally carried out at the border....
    they'll try to do it with just two, one at Omagh, one at Armagh. what could go wrong?

    I am sure a few people will moan but why not straighten out the border and utilise those two big lakes it would more than halve the problem.

    Are you serious ? You may as well say we have to Annex Ireland as that will sort out the problem. I'm sure it won't be much more fuss.

    Some people see problems where others see solutions
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Some people see problems where others see solutions
    That's been a running theme for a large part of this thread.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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