BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

rick_chasey

DrHaggis wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Farage is on LBC already saying all public officials who object to Brexit "either change their ways or be removed".

This is the quickest path to a banana kingdom.

That's the underlying concern with this leak; the ambassador has been in the sights of a number of brexiters anyway, who see Trump as an ally and the ambassador a threat.

Especially considering who reported the leak.

bianchimoon

Rick Chasey wrote:

DrHaggis wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Farage is on LBC already saying all public officials who object to Brexit "either change their ways or be removed".

This is the quickest path to a banana kingdom.

That's the underlying concern with this leak; the ambassador has been in the sights of a number of brexiters anyway, who see Trump as an ally and the ambassador a threat.

Especially considering who reported the leak.

Did Gavin Williamson have access to the classified info? He has previous

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

Of course he had to go. The real story is still who leaked it and who knew.

The secondary real story is why so many people are missing the real story.

coopster_the_1st

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

tailwindhome

bobmcstuff

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Isn't this one thing?

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

rolf_f

To me the surprising thing is that Darroch saw fit to write those comments down in the first place. Everybody with any sense at all knows that Trump is a petulant, insecure cretin who needs constant flattery and surely didn't need Darroch to tell them. All this has achieved is for Trump to quickly prove Darroch was entirely correct but it great cost to him.

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

rolf_f

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Comedy gold. Does anyone think he actually believes this stuff?!

robert88

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

The thing is that I voted to remain but in terms of being able to make the best of the situation I am in a far better position than those who voted to leave, as are most remainers in all likelihood. So I shan't be a loser materialistically.

I'd suggest I am a lot closer to attaining that Singapore penthouse than Coopster ever will be.

The leave voters are kinda like self-cooking turkey dinners.

rolf_f

Robert88 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

The thing is that I voted to remain but in terms of being able to make the best of the situation I am in a far better position than those who voted to leave, as are most remainers in all likelihood. So I shan't be a loser materialistically.

I'd suggest I am a lot closer to attaining that Singapore penthouse than Coopster ever will be.

The leave voters are kinda like self-cooking turkey dinners.

Same here. I guess if the pound crashes then imports could become permanently a lot more expensive but I'm not really very dependent on those - unlike Coopster with his beloved Canyon. But I'll be fine whatever. It's the more vulnerable folk who voted remain that I feel sorry for. And those whose lives have already been ruined by this.

But if strawberries end up costing five pounds a punnet I'll still be able to treat myself. We'll just need to re-adjust our expectations of what is affordable.

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

rolf_f

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

I'm confused. I thought that the mantra was that if Brexit goes wrong it's all the fault of remainer negativity. But he now seems to be saying that a more Brexity Brexit will happen if we do fight it. But since we appear to have the choice of No deal or TMs deal or No brexit then surely Coopster should be keeping his trap shut or actually encouraging Remainers to fight or he is in danger of losing the No deal he craves. He probably ought to explain why fighting brexit is more likely to result in no deal but brexiters are never much good at actually explaining how things will happen so I suppose he won't.

TheBigBean

Robert88 wrote:

I'd suggest I am a lot closer to attaining that Singapore penthouse than Coopster ever will be.

Which one is that? And what is the relevance?

bianchimoon

US trade talks going well :roll:

Even in the earliest talks, the UK struggled to keep pace with US negotiators. One email from late last year shows that the Trump administration had began sending “less senior” officials to meetings.

The shift, which occurred in July, reflected Britain’s inability to get “the right people in the room”, according to the correspondence.

It came despite a Whitehall amber-red alert, which signalled a risk of failure and warned that the discussions were talks were rapidly “falling behind schedule”.

British officials blamed the bureaucratic missteps on of a lack of communication between key trade departments of Business, Energy, Industrial and Strategy, the Department for International Trade, the Foreign Office, the Department for the Environment and Rural Affairs, and the Treasury.

https://premium.telegraph.co.uk/newslet ... =DM1049294

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

rolf_f

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

You are just sooo pleasant and delightful with such an eloquent turn of phrase! Did you go to charm school or are you self taught?

rjsterry

Rolf F wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

You are just sooo pleasant and delightful with such an eloquent turn of phrase! Did you go to charm school or are you self taught?

Now there's a target. Or am I already on it?

rolf_f

rjsterry wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

You are just sooo pleasant and delightful with such an eloquent turn of phrase! Did you go to charm school or are you self taught?

Now there's a target. Or am I already on it?

I'm pretty sure we are both classified as grade A c*nts! Poor old Kingston hasn't yet made the grade....

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

rjsterry

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

I'd certainly say that there's been a hardening of attitude on the Remain side. What started as let's make the best of it is now more a case of you had your chance and threw it away because it wasn't quite the right colour.

kingstongraham

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

I'd certainly say that there's been a hardening of attitude on the Remain side. What started as let's make the best of it is now more a case of you had your chance and threw it away because it wasn't quite the right colour.

But generally that is exhibited as "Let's have another vote to find out if people really want this madness". The equivalent on the leave side has hardened to "Let's shut down parliament to avoid having another vote to find out if people want this". Among MPs.

I don't think it's equivalent.

robert88

TheBigBean wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

I'd suggest I am a lot closer to attaining that Singapore penthouse than Coopster ever will be.

Which one is that? And what is the relevance?

Ferchrissake, keep up at the back there.. Why don't you?

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

May's rejected 'surrender' WA was trying to mislead Leavers, was obviously BRINO and worse than the status quo.

The pro-Brexit position has only hardened because of the inflexibility of the EU and the way remainers have tried to belittle, overturn the electoral result and push through the BRINO surrender WA.

A Leaver only wants a FTA with the EU. I've not see one leaver who does not want this at a minimum but there are leavers who did and still present a conciliatory position for remainers although this number has fallen drastically.

The problem is the EU has shown it does not want to reform for the benefit of its members and the people it serves. This inflexibility has meant the leave position is now an FTA Brexit or even clean Brexit if the EU is unwilling to negotiate. It could have been so much softer but for the inaction of the EU and action of remainers. The EU position has, I believe been directed by remainers telling the EU that we will not leave if they hold their position as remainers will obstruct it at every opportunity ala Blair, etc.

The reality is, as has been the situation all the way through this process, remainers have overestimated their position and underestimated leavers.

robert88

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

May's rejected 'surrender' WA was trying to mislead Leavers, was obviously BRINO and worse than the status quo.

The pro-Brexit position has only hardened because of the inflexibility of the EU and the way remainers have tried to belittle, overturn the electoral result and push through the BRINO surrender WA.

A Leaver only wants a FTA with the EU. I've not see one leaver who does not want this at a minimum but there are leavers who did and still present a conciliatory position for remainers although this number has fallen drastically.

The problem is the EU has shown it does not want to reform for the benefit of its members and the people it serves. This inflexibility has meant the leave position is now an FTA Brexit or even clean Brexit if the EU is unwilling to negotiate. It could have been so much softer but for the inaction of the EU and action of remainers. The EU position has, I believe been directed by remainers telling the EU that we will not leave if they hold their position as remainers will obstruct it at every opportunity ala Blair, etc.

The reality is, as has been the situation all the way through this process, remainers have overestimated their position and underestimated leavers.

Leavers get harder

hopkinb

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Some waffle

What you mean is that the UK is in a shyte bargaining position vs the EU, as it was always likely to be, further compounded by the ineptitude of Davis, Raab etc.. The EU was never going to prejudice the interests of its remaining members to facilitate the fantasists on the leave side. Leave was always going to be a shyte show for the UK economically, but those who want to leave didn't care then, and still don't care now.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

I'd certainly say that there's been a hardening of attitude on the Remain side. What started as let's make the best of it is now more a case of you had your chance and threw it away because it wasn't quite the right colour.

This just proves how delusional many remainers are.

There attitude and approach has been to stop Brexit and undermine democracy ever since the results were announced on 24th June 2016.

robert88

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

I'd certainly say that there's been a hardening of attitude on the Remain side. What started as let's make the best of it is now more a case of you had your chance and threw it away because it wasn't quite the right colour.

This just proves how delusional many remainers are.

There attitude and approach has been to stop Brexit and undermine democracy ever since the results were announced on 24th June 2016.

Isn't it more likely that Leavers are delusional? It's said that Leave votes were votes of dissatisfaction, ergo that Brexit would make things better. Three years on and there is no indication AT ALL as to how that transformation can come about. Now that's what I call delusional.

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Two things I have noticed that have changed this week:

- The remoaners are back to spouting their usual rubbish (the pips are squeaking )

- Project Fear has been rebooted... (funny how it went away when May surrendered to the EU late March)

Some things never change.

Coopster, do you think your move over the last three years from from vaguely reasonable analysis to constant insults matches the general Brexit supporter in the country?

Leavers started this whole democratic process respecting the Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes but this respect has never been reciprocated so I am now just mirroring their attitude. Funnily enough we have found out they don't like it back at them. That's their problem, not mine!

Additionally, why should the said Remainers/Remoaners/Snowflakes be respected when many of them now have the sole aim of wanting to undermine democracy by ignoring the outcome of a democratic vote?

I see my original post as perfectly reasonable analysis of the current situation. It's 100% accurate that those changes have occurred this week with the realisation from the losing side that Brexit is going to happen and the more they fight it, the cleaner Brexit will happen!

So is that a don't know?

You are one of the better remainers on here but it only takes 3 clicks to add you to the c*nt list. Don't lower yourself to their level

Was a genuine question I'm interested in the answer to. Your posts from 3 years ago are very different to those of now, and your hopes/expectations are much more hardline than they were.

Alternative question - do you accept that if the pro-Brexit position (as to what is acceptable) was the same as it was 3 years ago, we would have left by now? I mean, I'm glad we haven't, but it's not really my fault. The votes were there in the Commons for a Brexit.

I'd certainly say that there's been a hardening of attitude on the Remain side. What started as let's make the best of it is now more a case of you had your chance and threw it away because it wasn't quite the right colour.

This just proves how delusional many remainers are.

There attitude and approach has been to stop Brexit and undermine democracy ever since the results were announced on 24th June 2016.

So I'm not on the list yet. Must try harder

May's WA and PD were so open ended that it could have led almost anywhere with the proviso that a solution to the Irish border other than the backstop had to be found. Belatedly some have been working on that alternative but I am genuinely bemused by the lack of proposals beyond the detail-free Malthouse "alternative proposals".

You could have had your FTA by now if someone had been working on the border issue from day one, but they didn't. And now here we are, months after we should have left and nothing to show for it. And when Johnson inevitably welches on his promise Leavers will have what? Farage? The man who couldn't get elected 7 times.