BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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In what way? It's been know for a good while that there is then potential for some short term disruption on cutting across to a new set of processes.rick_chasey said:
Each week the bar is loweredStevo_666 said:
I'm not sure youve really grasped this 'risk' thing.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
It hasn't hapened yet and may or may not occur - this is Cake Stop, not 'Minority Report'.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In case you missed the bit in the second parahraph that provides some useful context, he is simply pointing out that we can't rule out the risk of a shortage of certain items in a particular situation. Hardly the same as saying there will be.briantrumpet said:
“We can’t rule out the possibility that if there is dislocation at the ports of entry to the UK there will be some shortages of some items of fresh food, at least for a time,”
Thanks for the reassurance that this is all going swimmingly. That's a relief.
This thread has been full of people pointing out that because there are risks of certain things happening in future that the world is going to hell in a hand cart. This is another one.
It's not Tesco whingeing...
That "this shortage of just a few months" might not happen if we're lucky and the boss of Tesco is wrong isn't a really terribly great selling point for Brexit.
Or the scope, which is limited products (certain types of fresh fod) and limited time (while supply chains adjust to the changes). Hardly the 'people going hungry' scenario that people like Orraloon keep mindlessly trotting out.
This isn't news, but as usual the whingers are on it like a pigeon on a chip."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Tbh the bigger issues are likely to be caused by the French being awkward, but I'm pretty sanguine about that.Jezyboy said:
I can imagine you'd be similarly sanguine if a Labour government had steered us into a situation where we faced shortages of fresh food?Stevo_666 said:
I'm not sure youve really grasped this 'risk' thing.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
It hasn't hapened yet and may or may not occur - this is Cake Stop, not 'Minority Report'.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
In case you missed the bit in the second parahraph that provides some useful context, he is simply pointing out that we can't rule out the risk of a shortage of certain items in a particular situation. Hardly the same as saying there will be.briantrumpet said:
“We can’t rule out the possibility that if there is dislocation at the ports of entry to the UK there will be some shortages of some items of fresh food, at least for a time,”
Thanks for the reassurance that this is all going swimmingly. That's a relief.
This thread has been full of people pointing out that because there are risks of certain things happening in future that the world is going to hell in a hand cart. This is another one.
It's not Tesco whingeing...
That "this shortage of just a few months" might not happen if we're lucky and the boss of Tesco is wrong isn't a really terribly great selling point for Brexit.
Or the scope, which is limited products (certain types of fresh fod) and limited time (while supply chains adjust to the changes). Hardly the 'people going hungry' scenario that people like Orraloon keep mindlessly trotting out.
See also my comments above on duration and scope."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Gove's 'disruption due to the EU bureaucracy' comments are finding the target market I see.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The usual have jumped on these comments but in reality it won't happen. Supermarkets fear losing market share more than anything else and being out of stock is one of the easiest ways to lose market share when a competitor has stock. As they are aware there is the potential for this to happen they will mitigate it via other supply routes or different non-EU suppliers.Stevo_666 said:
It'll be fun watching the stockpilers on here trying to stockpile fresh food and vegpblakeney said:
Not exactly news though, but I did like this part...briantrumpet said:
"Allan insisted there was no need for the public to stockpile, “but there may be some things we have to learn to do without for a few weeks, possibly a few months after Brexit,” he said."
Cue the stockpiling. That'll boost profits in the meantime.
Overall, the UK will still have stocks of fresh food and veg from non-EU sources if other supply routes cannot be organised. However their EU suppliers may lose their UK market custom and the excess supply will mean lower prices for EU farmers.
I'm not sure the EU realise they are negotiating against the market of the ROTW so they don't hold the cards they think they do.0 -
Good thread on outstanding issues and how they *could* be resolved.
The clock is not our friend
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Just import fresh fruit and vegetables from somewhere else.
Easy.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
tailwindhome said:
Good thread on outstanding issues and how they *could* be resolved.
The clock is not our friend
The Telegraph has a couple of articles suggesting that some sort of deal might be on the cards - a vaguely balanced one from Jeremy Warner, and one from Alexandra Phillips that thinks a 'sellout' deal is on its way.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/20/brexit-deal-can-still-achieved-even-not-particularly-ambitious/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/20/ignore-theatrics-eu-negotiators-britain-heading-sellout-brexit/
Oh, and there's one from Farage saying the Brexit Party is ready for a fight if Johnson "takes the easy way out".0 -
Nothing less than a no warning nuclear strike on Brussels, Berlin, Paris and Dublin is acceptable now.briantrumpet said:Oh, and there's one from Farage saying the Brexit Party is ready for a fight if Johnson "takes the easy way out".
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
They might welcome the strike as a way to bring covid numbers down. A very severe type of lockdown.tailwindhome said:
Nothing less than a no warning nuclear strike on Brussels, Berlin, Paris and Dublin is acceptable now.briantrumpet said:Oh, and there's one from Farage saying the Brexit Party is ready for a fight if Johnson "takes the easy way out".
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Manchester have negotiated an Australia style deal.rick_chasey said:Can’t even get a deal done with Manchester even when they do hold all the power and leverage
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In fairness Burnham had adopted the Boris tactic of holding a gun to his own head so there has to be a chance that Boris realises the stupidity of his Brexit position.rick_chasey said:Can’t even get a deal done with Manchester even when they do hold all the power and leverage
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Unfortunately there is no past evidence of this happening despite all the potential.surrey_commuter said:
In fairness Burnham had adopted the Boris tactic of holding a gun to his own head so there has to be a chance that Boris realises the stupidity of his Brexit position.rick_chasey said:Can’t even get a deal done with Manchester even when they do hold all the power and leverage
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
there is a part of my that is envious of those who think like this - there is an argument that being positive is not a good thing and in the wrong job very harmful.tailwindhome said:Just import fresh fruit and vegetables from somewhere else.
Easy.0 -
All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.0
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Can we get it all from Norway?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.0
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kingstongraham said:
It's obviously possible to reduce these percentages, but finding alternative sources or growing more ourselves is clearly either expensive or a longer term option.
I wonder who will pick all this home-grown fruit and veg...0 -
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
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I hadn't seen that comment until I read your post today.tailwindhome said:Gove's 'disruption due to the EU bureaucracy' comments are finding the target market I see.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
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So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
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Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
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Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?0 -
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.0 -
You're in good company here then.surrey_commuter said:
there is a part of my that is envious of those who think like this - there is an argument that being positive is not a good thing and in the wrong job very harmful.tailwindhome said:Just import fresh fruit and vegetables from somewhere else.
Easy."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
OK, so lets say there are some border delays for a period after 31 December. You might not be able to get exactly the type of fresh fruit and veg you want into the supermarket - a bit like going in to shop closer to closing time or the week before Christmas - a bit inconvenient but not a massive issue. Then when the supply chain adjusts, it goes away. The world will stay on its axis even if you do have do without your pack of favourite blueberries or whatever for a short while.kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Once again, the argument in favour of Brexit amounts to "well it might not be a bad as you think it will be".
How convincing an endorsement is that?0 -
I think that's what Mr Tesco was saying.Stevo_666 said:
OK, so lets say there are some border delays for a period after 31 December. You might not be able to get exactly the type of fresh fruit and veg you want into the supermarket - a bit like going in to shop closer to closing time or the week before Christmas - a bit inconvenient but not a massive issue. Then when the supply chain adjusts, it goes away. The world will stay on its axis even if you do have do without your pack of favourite blueberries or whatever for a short while.kingstongraham said:
Delays and disruption at the border. Delays either way would cause disruption to the supply chain.coopster_the_1st said:
Any term length!kingstongraham said:
Short term or long term?coopster_the_1st said:
So there won't be shortages then?kingstongraham said:
Sell it to us, I expect.coopster_the_1st said:
What are the EU farmers going to do with all this additional produce?kingstongraham said:All we have to do is replace 76% of our fresh vegetable imports. We already get most of our fruit imports from outside the EU so it's only 41% of them.
What will be the problem that causes the shortage?
Longer term, probably just cost us more.0
