So Wiggos now gone...
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disgruntledgoat wrote:The best male cyclist Britain has ever produced,
Possibly, but with all due respect the competition isn't that tough, Millar and Simpson honourably excepted.mididoctors wrote:One of the greatest cyclists of all time...
Sorry, I'm not having that one. Yes, he had a great 2012, but he 'only' won one GT and didn't really come close in a big one-dayer. That's not really greatest of all time territory.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
I remember once upon a time when UK cyclists and some of the public were desperate too see a UK rider to win the TdF. What happens, they get the winner they craved for and then half of them spend the next 3 years slamming him.
You couldn't make it up.0 -
Top_Bhoy wrote:I remember once upon a time when UK cyclists and some of the public were desperate too see a UK rider to win the TdF. What happens, they get the winner they craved for and then half of them spend the next 3 years slamming him.
You couldn't make it up.
Some of us weren't all that fussed about a British cyclist, and have been fairly consistent
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I could quite easily make that up.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:mididoctors wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:For sure, but come on.
Hardly Merckxian was it?
well who is?
and that sort of riding is not possible now...no cyclist entering the pro peloton from this year on is going to win 500+ races..
the comparison needs to address the times
Contador, IMO...
right i would agree on face value but i'm throwing the smack down out there now
contador is a great competitor...way more ambitious and driven than wiggo, his duels with froome are great sport viewing
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Top_Bhoy wrote:I remember once upon a time when UK cyclists and some of the public were desperate too see a UK rider to win the TdF. What happens, they get the winner they craved for and then half of them spend the next 3 years slamming him.
You couldn't make it up.
So not agreeing that a good rider is one of the greatest of all time equals slamming him, does it?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
Part of being great is how you achieve greatness right?
Yes. He achieved greatness by being unbeatable for a whole year.
Oh alright, he only took 3rd in Algarve, but Porte won that.
Paris-Nice : first British winner since Simpson
Romandie: included winning a bunch sprint from 50-60 riders.
Dauphine: made it two in a row
TdF: lead Cav out in yellow on the Champs Elysee.
Then he went on to waste the field in the Olympic TT.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
mididoctors wrote:[
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
Important in what way?
Because he was a trackie turned GT winner?
Or because he did all the warming down after a stage marginal gains stuff? Like a trackie?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:mididoctors wrote:[
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
Important in what way?
Because he was a trackie turned GT winner?
Or because he did all the warming down after a stage marginal gains stuff? Like a trackie?
because contador's wins will be tainted by the massive herd of wholly mammoths in the room
indurain the only rider to do the double double giro tour double is almost airbrushed out of history along with ja ja...(great rider to watch)
dont mention the 90's or noughties"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
mididoctors wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:mididoctors wrote:[
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
Important in what way?
Because he was a trackie turned GT winner?
Or because he did all the warming down after a stage marginal gains stuff? Like a trackie?
because contador's wins will be tainted by the massive herd of wholly mammoths in the room
Ah blergh. If you're English speaking, fine.
Bloody holier than thou Anglos....*grumble grumble*0 -
mididoctors wrote:
indurain the only rider to do the double double giro tour double is almost airbrushed out of history along with ja ja...(great rider to watch)
Well yeah, because everyone was asleep when he was winning.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:mididoctors wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:mididoctors wrote:[
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
Important in what way?
Because he was a trackie turned GT winner?
Or because he did all the warming down after a stage marginal gains stuff? Like a trackie?
because contador's wins will be tainted by the massive herd of wholly mammoths in the room
Ah blergh. If you're English speaking, fine.
Bloody holier than thou Anglos....*grumble grumble*
nah.... you know me
thats not it... tom simpson was speeding off his t1ts, he was british, and that american guy lance somebody he spoke english and stuart o'grady and that millar chap...and I we all suspect a fair few others weren't scared of the needle....back in the day I was necking asprin caffine and Ephedrine stacks myself like they were smarties."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:mididoctors wrote:
indurain the only rider to do the double double giro tour double is almost airbrushed out of history along with ja ja...(great rider to watch)
Well yeah, because everyone was asleep when he was winning.
A bit like someone else's GT win
No, in all seriousness Wiggins will always be a massively important rider to British fans for his Annus Mirabilis in 2012, and respect is due for that.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
I personally think Wiggins stayed at least one season and probably 2 too long to be considered classy, but have to admit, if it were not for that seemingly perfect summer in 2012 I almost certainly would not have taken cycling up so have him to thank (or curse) for that.
I doubt I'm the only one too, much to the chagrin of the old timers who bemoan cycling "being the new golf etc etc"0 -
We'll be talking about him here and there for a couple of more years yet - hour record and Rio of course, and I imagine he'll be looking at trying to bag a couple of more rainbow jerseys on the track to add to the 6 he has already.
I have a feeling gold in Rio will be a step too far for the British TP squad so I really hope he absolutely smashes the hour record to pieces in June.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
Yes, he's not gone, just changed clubs !0
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A Briton in yellow leading out Briton in the rainbow stripes to win on the Champs-Élysées is not something I'll be forgetting any time soon.Rick Chasey wrote:When his team mate riding up for about 300m before coming back is the most exciting thing in the entire Tour, you really are clutching at straws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SzcoD4lDwYou only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
In the fullness of time, Cadel Evans will be remembered as the greater cyclist.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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A Briton in yellow leading out Briton in the rainbow jersey to win on the Champs-Élysées is not something I'll be forgetting any time soon.Rick Chasey wrote:When his team mate riding up for about 300m before coming back is the most exciting thing in the entire Tour, you really are clutching at straws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SzcoD4lDwYou only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
iainf72 wrote:In the fullness of time, Cadel Evans will be remembered as the greater cyclist.
Why? Wiggins' palmares is unquestionably one of the most unique in the modern era. I don't agree that he should be considered alongside Merckx or similar but if he does take the hour record then the variability of what he won (and attempted to win) now we live in an age of pure specialists.
Plus, alongside Sky, DB ,Cav and dear Laura Trott, he has driven a revolution in British Cycling participation and interest. There is a reason why people have put up with his foibles for so long, becasue he brings in more of Ricks benjamens than pretty much all other GB cyclists combined (certainly so if you leave out Cav and Miss Trott...)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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A lot of that applies to Evans too (for Australia, of course), and he was hardly pigeon-holed either.0
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iainf72 wrote:In the fullness of time, Cadel Evans will be remembered as the greater cyclist.
Does it matter though? Its not a competition.
I'm a fan of both guys and I think that they're quite similar personalities. A sit down retrospective on their careers would be a great read/watch."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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mididoctors wrote:contador is a great competitor...way more ambitious and driven than wiggo, his duels with froome are great sport viewing
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
In the eyes of a British person maybe.
In the eyes of the real cycling fan, Wiggins doesn't come close to Contador.
He has one one Grand Tour vs Contador's 8.
No one cares overly much about the olympics rr and the world's itt is great but not that big a deal.
His track medals - amazing but no road racing fan really cares.
Contador is the greatest stage race rider of his generation. Bar none.Contador is the Greatest0 -
The first British winner of the tour leaves the stage with, at best, a 'meh' from many die-hard fans. That's terrible. I blame short-term, avaricious, dumb Fuller-of-sh1t management, and BBC soap opera Olympic coverage. Keeping his face in the papers was deemed more important than protecting his legacy. Tory Britain ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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frenchfighter wrote:mididoctors wrote:contador is a great competitor...way more ambitious and driven than wiggo, his duels with froome are great sport viewing
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
In the eyes of a British person maybe.
In the eyes of the real cycling fan, Wiggins doesn't come close to Contador.
He has one one Grand Tour vs Contador's 8.
No one cares overly much about the olympics rr and the world's itt is great but not that big a deal.
His track medals - amazing but no road racing fan really cares.
Contador is the greatest stage race rider of his generation. Bar none.
Contador is a cheat. A doper. None of his GT's can be taken seriously. In my eyes he has 0 wins in his whole career, as he is a cheat. Same goes for anyone with a doping conviction on their record. If I had my way, all results annulled and lifetime ban from all professional sport.0 -
Not at all. Those are your words, not mine.Salsiccia1 wrote:Top_Bhoy wrote:I remember once upon a time when UK cyclists and some of the public were desperate too see a UK rider to win the TdF. What happens, they get the winner they craved for and then half of them spend the next 3 years slamming him.
You couldn't make it up.
So not agreeing that a good rider is one of the greatest of all time equals slamming him, does it?
To win multiple Olympic and world track titles , to hold Olympic and world ITT titles simultaneously, win the TdF and then Olympic ITT within a few weeks of one another, be the winner of a raft of other prestigious stage races, does at the very least, show a unique and talented rider. After all of those achievements, I just don't see the need by some to denigrate Wiggins irrespective if you believe he is 'just' a good rider or one of the very best.0 -
Plenty of us are British AND cycling fans.frenchfighter wrote:mididoctors wrote:contador is a great competitor...way more ambitious and driven than wiggo, his duels with froome are great sport viewing
BUT in 20 years time wiggins is still going to be the important character from this era and will grow in time.
In the eyes of a British person maybe.
In the eyes of the real cycling fan, Wiggins doesn't come close to Contador.
As for Contador - just another drug cheat.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
sjmclean wrote:Contador is a cheat. A doper. None of his GT's can be taken seriously. In my eyes he has 0 wins in his whole career, as he is a cheat. Same goes for anyone with a doping conviction on their record. If I had my way, all results annulled and lifetime ban from all professional sport.
That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Daz555 wrote:Plenty of us are British AND cycling fans.
So am I.
Just fyi, sum total of british cycling fans < sum total of cycling fans excluding britain.Contador is the Greatest0
