CIRC report
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Mad_Malx wrote:calvjones wrote:Ginsterdrz wrote:"They also suggest that the CADF look into the use of substances that are not prohibited. The report states that there is a wide-spread use of anti-depressants in the peloton, as well as Tramadol, caffeine tablets, Viagra or Cialis, and tranquilizers at night. The combined effect, they suspect, could be contributing to crashes in the races."
How do you ride whilst.....excited?!?
Gingerly.
Dilates the pulmonary blood vessels (as well as others) - possibly increasing lung blood flow & hence oxygenation. I'm not sure how much difference this would make in a healthy individual.
More fun for Froome and Porte when they are spooning at night0 -
Seems to be quite a reasonable bit of work with some sensible suggestions for improvement. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
More alarming references to weight loss and how it is achieved.0 -
Armstrong comments.
http://lancearmstrong.com/statements-re ... ooperationLance Armstrong statement:
I am grateful to CIRC for seeking the truth and allowing me to assist in that search. I am deeply sorry for many things I have done. However, it is my hope that revealing the truth will lead to a bright, dope-free future for the sport I love, and will allow all young riders emerging from small towns throughout the world in years to come to chase their dreams without having to face the lose-lose choices that so many of my friends, teammates and opponents faced. I hope that all riders who competed and doped can feel free to come forward and help the tonic of truth heal this great sport.
Statement of Elliot Peters, Lance Armstrong’s attorney:
Lance Armstrong cooperated fully with CIRC. He met in person for two full days with CIRC senior investigators, including Peter Nicholson and Ulrich Haas, answered every question they asked without any restrictions, agreed to meet again if they wanted, and provided all documents requested to which he had access. Lance’s sole interest in doing so was to facilitate the emergence of the truth about cycling. While Lance has borne the brunt of anti-doping enforcement efforts and attendant negative publicity (and consequences), the truth is that the sport he encountered in Europe in the 1990s was a cesspool where doctors, coaches and riders participated daily in doping and covering up doping. Young riders on elite teams competing in Europe faced a simple choice: dope and lie about it or accept that you could not compete clean. We applaud CIRC for taking a courageous and unvarnished look at the truth. In the rush to vilify Lance, many of the other equally culpable participants have been allowed to escape scrutiny, much less sanction, and many of the anti-doping “enforcers” have chosen to grandstand at Lance’s expense rather than truly search for the truth.0 -
“Another doctor stated that some quite recent big wins on the UCI WorldTour were as a result, in part, of some members of the team all using corticoids to get their weight down to support the individual who won (who also used the same weight-loss technique). It was reported that this had been a planned approach by that group’s management.”
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Rick Chasey wrote:“Another doctor stated that some quite recent big wins on the UCI WorldTour were as a result, in part, of some members of the team all using corticoids to get their weight down to support the individual who won (who also used the same weight-loss technique). It was reported that this had been a planned approach by that group’s management.”
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There is one team which sticks out in my mind. One which has form for failing test for weight loss products.0 -
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Europcar? Lampre?sjmclean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:“Another doctor stated that some quite recent big wins on the UCI WorldTour were as a result, in part, of some members of the team all using corticoids to get their weight down to support the individual who won (who also used the same weight-loss technique). It was reported that this had been a planned approach by that group’s management.”
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There is one team which sticks out in my mind. One which has form for failing test for weight loss products.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Europcar? Lampre?sjmclean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:“Another doctor stated that some quite recent big wins on the UCI WorldTour were as a result, in part, of some members of the team all using corticoids to get their weight down to support the individual who won (who also used the same weight-loss technique). It was reported that this had been a planned approach by that group’s management.”
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There is one team which sticks out in my mind. One which has form for failing test for weight loss products.
Not sure they have any worldtour big wins do they?0 -
Lampre had the Giro and Vuelta stage wins last year. And the Tour de Suisse overall.0
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Sounds like Sky or Astana depending on where your prejudices lie.
Both have had several major team-supported victories in recent years in races where low weight is beneficial (ie mountainous stage races).
Obsessive weight loss amongst cyclists? Who knew...0 -
EKIMIKE wrote:Sounds like Sky or Astana depending on where your prejudices lie. Both have had several major team-supported victories in recent years in races where low weight is beneficial (ie mountainous stage races).
Obsessive weight loss amongst cyclists? Who knew...
Sounds like one of the teams in either the WT or PCT or... for sure. Possibly make that every team.0 -
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it's a decent effort, and I haven't read it yet just what the BBC reported, but it need to go into more detail for the current riders and clearly they need more powers to get current riders to talk.
Fair play to the UCI for looking the issue, if FIFA did a similar report i'm sure they would uncover just as much doping0 -
Kelly 'surprised' that doping is still happening with a huge number of riders. Ha ha ha. Really.0
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Joelsim wrote:Kelly 'surprised' that doping is still happening with a huge number of riders. Ha ha ha. Really.
Does the report actually say it is still happening in huge numbers? I've only heard clips on the radio but I thought from that that the report said there is still some doping going on at the top level.0 -
Pross wrote:Joelsim wrote:Kelly 'surprised' that doping is still happening with a huge number of riders. Ha ha ha. Really.
Does the report actually say it is still happening in huge numbers? I've only heard clips on the radio but I thought from that that the report said there is still some doping going on at the top level.
It suggests that is the case, yes.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
It doesn't matter who said 90%. That another person said 20% should tell you that nobody has a clue. It merely illustrates the worthlessness of a single person's unsupported individual opinion.iainf72 wrote:There isn't any indication Armstrong will get his ban reduced. His testimony was heavily lawyered so didn't give them much
You may as well have got Joelsim to testify and Richn95 - get both ends of the spectrum.
If Ricco said 90% were doping would we take it seriously?
Another bit says 'TUEs are being abused' - so where are the figures to support it? - did they ask the UCI for them?
There's even a mention of Gas6 - which doesn't even exist as a usuable product.
yeah 90% is unlikley IMo and endemic in amateur is a stretch these days especially in feeder squads for premier or conti calenders..thats just from the riders and scene i'm on the edge of. the report is lazy IMO or underfunded take your bias
that said there is a lot of froome talk"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
No. One person guessed at 90% still doping. Another guessed at 20%. Which only proves that no-one has a clue. But 90% is good for a headline so it's been taken as fact by many.Pross wrote:Joelsim wrote:Kelly 'surprised' that doping is still happening with a huge number of riders. Ha ha ha. Really.
Does the report actually say it is still happening in huge numbers? I've only heard clips on the radio but I thought from that that the report said there is still some doping going on at the top level.
Maybe if an 'expert' had linked doping to autism the media could have put that unquestioningly in a headline and it might stop people doping.Twitter: @RichN950 -
They said that one person had said 90%, one person had said 20%. They were to set the upper and lower limits rather than just 2 people responded. Clearly it is somewhere in between.0
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It doesn't say that though. That's you editorialising.Joelsim wrote:They said that one person had said 90%, one person had said 20%. They were to set the upper and lower limits rather than just 2 people responded.
Either way, the vast discrepency shows that it is pure guesswork and it would be a fallacy to suggest that the reality must lay in between. (It may well do though).Twitter: @RichN950 -
mididoctors wrote:RichN95 wrote:
It doesn't matter who said 90%. That another person said 20% should tell you that nobody has a clue. It merely illustrates the worthlessness of a single person's unsupported individual opinion.iainf72 wrote:There isn't any indication Armstrong will get his ban reduced. His testimony was heavily lawyered so didn't give them much
You may as well have got Joelsim to testify and Richn95 - get both ends of the spectrum.
If Ricco said 90% were doping would we take it seriously?
Another bit says 'TUEs are being abused' - so where are the figures to support it? - did they ask the UCI for them?
There's even a mention of Gas6 - which doesn't even exist as a usuable product.
yeah 90% is unlikley IMo and endemic in amateur is a stretch these days especially in feeder squads for premier or conti calenders..thats just from the riders and scene i'm on the edge of. the report is lazy IMO or underfunded take your bias
that said there is a lot of froome talk
I think because it is not possible to day that doping is totally absent they ve had to leave some wiggle room. Which people like Joel are o ly to happy to wiggle right into and spin in all sorts if waysWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Thankfully I think Cookson will take it more seriously than some on here.0
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As Vaughters said, it's a pity people are ignoring the large amount of progress which the report points out
Another piece which is important was about the Contador clen thing, and reluctance to go after it due to the probable costs involved.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:As Vaughters said, it's a pity people are ignoring the large amount of progress which the report points out
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This is a strong narrative throughout but has been lost in much of the reporting. Figures like the 90% are manna to characters like Joelsim who sees this as vindication of their everyone is still doping stance when actually there is much more solid 'evidence' in the report to support the view that the benefits of doping are increasingly less palpable and therefore the rationale for doing so is gradually being eroded0
