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Because at the time it was banned at the levels he had ingested. Today he wouldn't have been sanctioned. The rules have been changed to be more sensible as there has been more understanding.Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:In no other sport would anyone consider an asthma inhaler in any way cheating. They would laugh at the idea. Cycling has become hysterical and lost perspective.
Serious question - why was Petacchi banned for Salbutamol then?
Salbutamol can be performance enhancing in large qualities - but not at the levels that an asthmatic needs.Twitter: @RichN950 -
This is what people need to remember. And it's not just pros. It's amateurs too. People play injured and sick all the time.rob churchill wrote:If you ban asthma medications, then you force a substantial minority of professional athletes with exercise-induced asthma to choose between their livelihood and their wellbeing, and most will choose their livelihood.
Which means your policy would have the exact opposite effect of what a rational doping policy should be aiming for: you'd be exposing athletes to unnecessary risk instead of protecting them from it. You would be forcing a subset of athletes to take a risk with their health if they want to compete at the highest level.Twitter: @RichN950 -
37 bikes taken away for examination after MSR today including EQS and TFR.0
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Re: Asthma and needing an inhaler.
Could the same arguments be made regarding blood levels? For instance, could an athlete argue that they have low testosterone/HcT levels, etc, etc and need drugs to compensate?0 -
No. Asthmatics don't have smaller lungs. The medicine doesn't compensate for any deficiency. It doesn't improve an athlete's natural state. It is preventative. It guards against the potential damage to health. Think of it more like protective clothing.Pokerface wrote:Re: Asthma and needing an inhaler.
Could the same arguments be made regarding blood levels? For instance, could an athlete argue that they have low testosterone/HcT levels, etc, etc and need drugs to compensate?Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Pokerface wrote:Re: Asthma and needing an inhaler.
Could the same arguments be made regarding blood levels? For instance, could an athlete argue that they have low testosterone/HcT levels, etc, etc and need drugs to compensate?
No. Asthmatics don't have smaller lungs. The medicine doesn't compensate for any deficiency. It doesn't improve an athlete's natural state. It is preventative. It guards against the potential damage to health. Think of it more like protective clothing.
Anything that needs 'fixing' is by definition broken. Or a deficiency. If you need medication for it, then you are being aided or fixed in some way. Without it, you'd be 'less'.
This is the nature of the argument against asthmatics I would presume.0 -
Ok. Then you take the lead and throw your prosthetics in the bin.Pokerface wrote:Anything that needs 'fixing' is by definition broken. Or a deficiency. If you need medication for it, then you are being aided or fixed in some way. Without it, you'd be 'less'.
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RichN95 wrote:
Ok. Then you take the lead and throw your prosthetics in the bin.Pokerface wrote:Anything that needs 'fixing' is by definition broken. Or a deficiency. If you need medication for it, then you are being aided or fixed in some way. Without it, you'd be 'less'.
This is the nature of the argument against asthmatics I would presume.
But I'm racing against people with the same 'disability'. It is an accepted norm.
But if you go back a few years - it's the type of argument that they attempted to use against Oscar Pistorius when they said he couldn't use his prosthetic in able-bodied events as it offered an advantage. He had to go to CAS to fight it and prove it did not. And even then, he was limited to the type he could use to ensure it did not, in fact, give him any advantage.0 -
Are you though? People have different amounts of leg missing, surely? I think it's best everyone races with what they have. And no more racing prosthetics. Everyday prosthetics only please.Pokerface wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Ok. Then you take the lead and throw your prosthetics in the bin.Pokerface wrote:Anything that needs 'fixing' is by definition broken. Or a deficiency. If you need medication for it, then you are being aided or fixed in some way. Without it, you'd be 'less'.
This is the nature of the argument against asthmatics I would presume.
But I'm racing against people with the same 'disability'. It is an accepted norm.
And no racing against able bodied people, either.
You may consider these ill informed opinions of someone who has no idea what they are talking about. And you'd be right. But then so are your views on asthmatics.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Are you though? People have different amounts of leg missing, surely? I think it's best everyone races with what they have. And no more racing prosthetics. Everyday prosthetics only please.Pokerface wrote:RichN95 wrote:
Ok. Then you take the lead and throw your prosthetics in the bin.Pokerface wrote:Anything that needs 'fixing' is by definition broken. Or a deficiency. If you need medication for it, then you are being aided or fixed in some way. Without it, you'd be 'less'.
This is the nature of the argument against asthmatics I would presume.
But I'm racing against people with the same 'disability'. It is an accepted norm.
And no racing against able bodied people, either.
You may consider these ill informed opinions of someone who has no idea what they are talking about. And you'd be right. But then so are your views on asthmatics.
Sorry. I forgot we can't have opinions on things unless speaking from a position of complete authority :roll:0 -
i take asthma meds for exercise induced asthma. Did an mtb 'race' yesterday (I wasn't trying for podium ;-) ). pleased with my times and kept up 85% max hr all through 3 laps.
soon as i stopped, the asthma kicked in big time. i don't normally need my ventolin but I had to take 6 puffs in half an hour. and another few puffs once i got home.
the other day I was trying to sprint over the last few metres of a climb and my chest just plugged up and I nearly stalled, just had to grind slowly up coughing and spitting gunk.
Now I'm not anywhere near being an athlete, but if someone has the physiology to compete but occasionally has a problem that can be restored close to normal by meds, then they should be allowed to compete.
I suspect most asthmatics would rather they didn't have asthma.--
Burls Ti Tourer for Tarmac, Saracen aluminium full suss for trails0 -
You don't have to be a complete authority. But have some vague clue. Asthma inhalers don't improve performance, they are protection against potential injury. As far as I'm concerned it's no different to wearing support for a knee injury (or similar)Pokerface wrote:Sorry. I forgot we can't have opinions on things unless speaking from a position of complete authority :roll:Twitter: @RichN950 -
TailWindHome wrote:
I always get a guilty feeling when I read Dr. Ferrari's articles. It is hard to see him as anything other than the world leading expert. Still, having revolutionised sports doping, perhaps one day he will cross the line and revolutionise sports anti-doping, but I'm not holding my breath. It is a bit smug to criticse the other side in this manner.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:You have a period where most riders are taking EPO, testosterone, HgH. With those additional 'benefits' it's much easier to run exceptionally lean and still put out very punchy power without straining your body to the point of breaking.
Without those drugs, riders are still trying to get as thin, but without the doping crutch, it puts too much strain on the body. They need a shade more fat and generally a more balanced diet to get the best power/weight combo without doping... He sees quite a few riders getting very thin and struggling as a result.
Ferrari has openly questioned how some athletes have managed to become so thin. Many people focus on blood manipulation as the only form of doping. Still, the season has started, so best focus on that.0 -
Just curious, would I be allowed my insulin? I can see the argument re asthmatics - salbutamol can be performance enhancing and a TUE for asthma is a handy cover story. Obviously you need to look at the amount ingested , but it seems clear that it has to be monitored in some way. And before RichN95 starts having a go, I've been asthmatic since childhood so I know a fair amount about it. The suggestion that the drugs are only for rare emergencies is pretty misleading, as most proper asthmatics are on regular preventative medication augmented by salbutamol for "emergency" situations - Nys arguably has a point that if you need regular medication then your body isn't capable of meeting the demands of being an elite athlete, although its a pretty complex issue.0
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My understanding is that you don't need a TUE for an inhaler.0
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