Out-of-saddle climbing on turbo trainer

meanredspider

bahzob wrote:

If someone is offering advice I take it a bit more seriously if they have actually displayed some competence in the area. Of the current contributors I think a small number have. The rest haven't and I have absolutely no interest in their views.

I think you risk confusing competence on a bike with being able to pass on advice - they aren't the same thing. They aren't mutually exclusive but they also aren't guaranteed to be in the same person. Many of the best coaches were pretty ordinary sportsmen (and women) themselves. Equally I know some excellent athletes who would make horrible coaches. And, just because something works for one person, it's no guarantee it will work for everyone. In fact, I'd suggest that there really is no one right answer (or anything close).

mamba80

bahzob wrote:

It was not at all obvious that most of those contributing had much if any real experience of training or achieving anything special.

If someone is offering advice I take it a bit more seriously if they have actually displayed some competence in the area. Of the current contributors I think a small number have. The rest haven't and I have absolutely no interest in their views.

You still don't get it do you? the tone of your posts is "I am a biking God and the rest of you mortals are canon fodder"
I ve been racing and riding bikes for 35 plus years, it doesn't make me good or anything and I tend not to get in too many arguments on here, because unlike say Workshop where the lines of what is right or wrong are far clearer, with training, there are no such boundaries.
what I have learnt though is that there are many ways to skin a cat and whether you are any good or not is pretty much genetic, with a large amount of mental strength involved.
to the OP I say that if you really want to improve your out the saddle technique then ride out side and ask a rider you respect for some pointers, like not rolling back as your begin your effort.

dabber

Well, I guess I've learnt one thing from this thread... after attempting to make some contribution, not trying to offer advice but simply saying what I've been attempting in a similar way to the OP.... and that is that I'll just dip in here occasionally and have read but beyond I don't think I'll bother. All a bit off putting tbh.

ai_1

bahzob wrote:

...If someone is offering advice I take it a bit more seriously if they have actually displayed some competence in the area. Of the current contributors I think a small number have. The rest haven't and I have absolutely no interest in their views.

And that's why it's likely very few of them are going to take your views terribly seriously either.
Your tone in this thread reeks of contempt and bitterness. One wonders why you're here if you hold the rest of us in such low regard?

If you want your views taken seriously make a good argument. I'm not about to give you more credence because you tell me how good you are at going up a hill or where you came in a sportive last year. It doesn't even matter very much whether it's true or not! Give the suggestion and explain the reasoning, backing it up with evidence if possible. I'll always pay more attention to the guy with consistent, well thought out advice, that he is capable of explaining rationally, over the guy telling me he has a track record so just do/believe what he says. I don't care if the former has never raced or just started riding last year.
I've met too many quiet, humble, genius' and load-mouthed, egotistical idiots to assume anything based on noise and unsubstantiated claims other than that the individual spouting it is rather unpleasant.

ugo.santalucia

bahzob wrote:

If someone is offering advice I take it a bit more seriously if they have actually displayed some competence in the area. Of the current contributors I think a small number have. The rest haven't and I have absolutely no interest in their views.

Bazhob... your attitude is as old fashioned as those BBC series about the cops of the 70s and 80s. Of course the past was great and the present is crap, of course you have to make do discussing with folks below par... that is always the case, as the result of webolution is always the survival of the imbecile...

The reality is that you have to try to get on with the others one way or another, regardless of what you think of them... the days of "internet negativity" and "I tell you what I think about you" are counted and not just on this forum... the wind has changed, time to steer the boat... one way or the other, up to you...

Tom Dean

hypster wrote:

Now I know a lot of people will argue that you don't need strong legs for cycling but I happen to think that's bollox. I have ridden Alps a lot and have always trained for stronger legs using hill repeats etc. and never had a problem.

Those people are probably defining the term 'strength' differently(more accurately) than you. Luckily your hill reps etc. have likely increased your fitness, but it's nothing to do with strength.

diy

bahzob wrote:

But if you actually want to spend time with the purpose of getting fitter then you would be well advised to learn from the pros and do what they do.

But the variables are totally different (and there are good and bad sides to that) and "getting fitter" is such a vague term. Age, body weight, body composition are going to be different and a person needs to address this in their training.

For me - over 40, resting hr mid 30s, 5-10kg heaver than I'd need to be as a Pro cyclist, a mix of different athletic pursuits, no particular requirement to peak for a given race etc. etc. I absolutely need to train differently. Now look at someone in their 20s, or someone who is overweight, or comes from a lack of physical exercise etc..

The thing about top/professional cyclists is that they are vastly similar, in both their starting point and their goal.

imposter2.0

bahzob wrote:

The OP included an example and my irritation with some above is their unconstructive criticism of this, on the basis of no real expertise or experience.

Another monumentally-arrogant assumption - which happens to be incorrect. No wonder you are getting such a hard time on this thread - you thoroughly deserve it.