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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    type:epyt wrote:
    Not a fan of Wiggins but you have to congratulate his effort and win.

    Like FF, I think his lack of racing throughout the year (and that includes days when he was idling by on or off the back of the peloton) helped him stay fresh at this point in the season. Fair enough though, as he said this was his main goal of the season and he delivered.

    Gonna be interesting if he is allowed to focus 100% on P-R.

    But Tony has said that the Vuelta would help him prepare for the Worlds. I thought Wiggo intended doing the Vuelta as prep until Fenton decided he was doing it, so you might argue that he (Wiggo) missed out.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Coach H wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ContrelaMontre wrote:
    Which rider who turned pro since 2000 can match the breadth of his palmares?
    Cadel Evans

    How many Track WC's and Olympic Gold's does Cadel have?

    Evans went pro in 1999 ;)

    But by the same token - how many one day races has Wiggins won?

    Vow beats them all.

    But then track & women's cycling isn't as competitive as there are far fewer participants.
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  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    How many mtb wins has Wiggins got? Evans has a more consistent palmares IMO than Wiggo, but at the end of day they both can be happy with their careers.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Coach H wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ContrelaMontre wrote:
    Which rider who turned pro since 2000 can match the breadth of his palmares?
    Cadel Evans

    How many Track WC's and Olympic Gold's does Cadel have?

    Evans went pro in 1999 ;)

    And Evans was successful in MTBs before the road.
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    But by the same token - how many one day races has Wiggins won?

    Vos beats them all.

    But then track & women's cycling isn't as competitive as there are far fewer participants.

    That's the rap on his track achievements for me. When you compare what he's done on the road, it does pale compared to people like Contador in GTs, and Cancellara in one-dayers/TTs. I know he's done both, but not consistently.

    All that being said, he's obviously a great rider who probably could have done more on the road with the right mentality and priorities.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Pretty good for Wiggo to even be mentioned as best of his generation - sadly Contador probably takes that title for me if you can overlook the rampant doping throughout his career (allegedly). Grand tour wins trump MTB / track wins by a significant margin.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Evans went pro in 1999 ;)
    He wasn't a full time roadie until 2001/2 though (I'm using that as a technicality.
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vos beats them all.

    But then track & women's cycling isn't as competitive as there are far fewer participants
    Well if you're going to bring women into it - Rebeeca Romero and Clara Hughes - they've got Olympic medals in completely different sports. How's that for breadth
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  • Coach H
    Coach H Posts: 1,092
    RichN95 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Evans went pro in 1999 ;)
    He wasn't a full time roadie until 2001/2 though (I'm using that as a technicality.
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vos beats them all.

    But then track & women's cycling isn't as competitive as there are far fewer participants
    Well if you're going to bring women into it - Rebeeca Romero and Clara Hughes - they've got Olympic medals in completely different sports. How's that for breadth

    Can you two stop using alternative words for Homo Sapien Females or you'll get this thread locked before the road race!
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Great ride and in GB terms a great rider but not sure about being the best all rounder - for that I think you'd need to win stage races and big one day races - track, MTB and TTs are icing on the cake but a couple of classics are necessary ingredients. Such a shame that he's going back to the track when there is obviously enough there to really challenge for big wins for another few years.
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  • ContrelaMontre
    ContrelaMontre Posts: 3,027
    BigMat wrote:
    Pretty good for Wiggo to even be mentioned as best of his generation - sadly Contador probably takes that title for me if you can overlook the rampant doping throughout his career (allegedly). Grand tour wins trump MTB / track wins by a significant margin.

    Serving a doping ban does kind of make it difficult for you to be called the 'best' with a straight face.

    Also Bertie is a specialist who is good at mountainous 3 week races.

    I think Cancellara should be considered alongside Wiggins. If he wins the Worlds on Sunday and then goes on to break the hour record then even more so.
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    Presumably the attraction of the track is it is more controllable - like the TT (and especially the hour) he will have a good idea what will be needed to beat the opposition. The challenge of team tactics, weather, spectators, fallers, mechanicals... makes the classics far more difficult to control. Cancellera & Boonen have shown that the best do triumph, but it's going to be tough he might run out of time before the wins come through.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    BigMat wrote:
    Pretty good for Wiggo to even be mentioned as best of his generation - sadly Contador probably takes that title for me if you can overlook the rampant doping throughout his career (allegedly). Grand tour wins trump MTB / track wins by a significant margin.
    But wasn't the question about the breadth and variety of the palmares. Contador only wins stage races.
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  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Cadel, Fab and Boonen are likely the best of the recent past. Wiggins only started to win stuff 3 years ago and although successful hasn't shown any consistency of performance to make him a 'great'. His wins have also come as a rider rather than racer, with no real flair or entertainment. I can only think of the sprint in Romandie where he actually showed anything other than pedalling.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Cunego?
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  • keef_zip
    keef_zip Posts: 295
    type:epyt wrote:
    Cadel, Fab and Boonen are likely the best of the recent past. Wiggins only started to win stuff 3 years ago and although successful hasn't shown any consistency of performance to make him a 'great'. His wins have also come as a rider rather than racer, with no real flair or entertainment. I can only think of the sprint in Romandie where he actually showed anything other than pedalling.


    If you take away pedaling, how would anyone win?

    Winning is ALL that matters.
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    keef_zip wrote:

    Winning is ALL that matters.

    In that case it's Lance, Ullrich or Vino then. And Valverde.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited September 2014
    Coach H wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ContrelaMontre wrote:
    Which rider who turned pro since 2000 can match the breadth of his palmares?
    Cadel Evans

    How many Track WC's and Olympic Gold's does Cadel have?
    The same as the number of MTB races and one day races that Wiggins has.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • keef_zip
    keef_zip Posts: 295
    type:epyt wrote:
    keef_zip wrote:

    Winning is ALL that matters.

    In that case it's Lance, Ullrich or Vino then. And Valverde.

    You know what I mean - winning CLEAN is all that matters. You were somehow diminishing Wiggins' achievements because of some kind of lack of Panache (TM). Panache is something that was around a lot in the doped up 1990s/2000s - funny, that.

    What I meant is that winning is what matters, not how you do it (lone break etc). People only remember who wins. Case in point is Contador's recent Vuelta win. He wheel-sucked for most of it apart from the last 500m, protecting a good time trial. Not so dissimilar to Wiggins' Tour win....
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Coach H wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    ContrelaMontre wrote:
    Which rider who turned pro since 2000 can match the breadth of his palmares?
    Cadel Evans

    How many Track WC's and Olympic Gold's does Cadel have?

    Evans went pro in 1999 ;)

    But by the same token - how many one day races has Wiggins won?

    Vow beats them all.

    But then track & women's cycling isn't as competitive as there are far fewer participants.

    More to the point, how many professional road races has he won? Excluding stage races isn't it 'just' a National champs, a stage of some minor race in Majorca and a stage of Romandie? I'm a big Wiggins fan but 'best rider of his generation' or even 'best all round rider of his generation' is really stretching the point.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
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  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    type:epyt wrote:
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.

    To be fair he's just won a World Championship.
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  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,332
    TailWindHome wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.

    To be fair he's just won a World Championship.

    And he is pulling a face like Terry Thomas caught in a girls' school...
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  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    TailWindHome wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.

    To be fair he's just won a World Championship.

    And according to his own accounts, had problems with drink in the past.

    It's not a picture of him celebrating with a drink. It's a photo of him glorifying alcohol.

    The dude can ride a bike. But he doesn't seem to have anything between his ears.
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    edited September 2014
    type:epyt wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.

    To be fair he's just won a World Championship.

    And according to his own accounts, had problems with drink in the past.

    It's not a picture of him celebrating with a drink. It's a phto of him glorifying alcohol.

    The dude can ride a bike. But he doesn't seem to have anything between his ears.

    Oh, come on. I'm not his greatest fan but bloody hell.

    Chinny necked a beer live on telly after Flanders this year and everyone loved it.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    type:epyt wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.

    To be fair he's just won a World Championship.

    And according to his own accounts, had problems with drink in the past.

    It's not a picture of him celebrating with a drink. It's a photo of him glorifying alcohol.

    The dude can ride a bike. But he doesn't seem to have anything between his ears.

    Grow up.
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  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    ^ Quite.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Won't somebody please think of the children!
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,436
    type:epyt wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Posing with a drink in his hand like every other moron on social media. Stay classy, Sir.

    To be fair he's just won a World Championship.

    And according to his own accounts, had problems with drink in the past.

    It's not a picture of him celebrating with a drink. It's a photo of him glorifying alcohol.

    The dude can ride a bike. But he doesn't seem to have anything between his ears.

    Wow, people on here do find some some strange things to get outraged by. How on earth is holding up a small bottle of beer "glorifying alcohol"? Do you also object to winners of sporting events being presented with bottles of champagne?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    type:epyt wrote:
    It's not a picture of him celebrating with a drink. It's a photo of him glorifying alcohol.
    To be fair though, alcohol is pretty awesome. It deserves glorifying.

    (In moderation, of course)
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    And to be fair, alcohol is pretty glorious and it's not like he's necking a bottle of vodka.

    Chinnies only crime was his terrible taste in beer
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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