New orange Segment

YIMan

Ferrals wrote:

Your arguing about 'value' of a multi thousand pound push bike. Of course it's not good bloody value, none of them are, they cost more than a car. Every (fairly normal) person I know thinks I'm a fool for spending a grand on a bike. I'm having no more fun than on the £200 quid bike I had when I stared riding 25 years ago, but to me the bike is still worth it. There's the difference, value is objective and the fact is mtbs are not good value, but worth is subjective which is why rustyh is happy to have spent the money on his orange and why I'm happy with just having spent 40 quid on a hope chain ring which objectively was not necessary.
I'd actually go so far to say thinking about value for a luxury leisure item is utterly irrelevant in standard economic terms.

Well said. It never ceases to amaze me how much people worry about money they don't have to spend and lives they don't have to lead i.e. other people's.

russyh

Well put, not like there isn't any other option of mtb makes to select!

Angus Young

YIMan wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me how much people worry about money they don't have to spend and lives they don't have to lead i.e. other people's.

^This. The Orange Haters remind me of those Android users who have a burning and irresistible need to tell the iPhone users what a terrible mistake they've made.

supersonic

Oranges and Apples - we just hate fruit based engineering.

CitizenLee

supersonic wrote:

Oranges and Apples - we just hate fruit based engineering.

Haha, classic

Angus Young

supersonic wrote:

Oranges and Apples - we just hate fruit based engineering.

Face it, it's just sour grapes.

welshkev

Angus Young wrote:

supersonic wrote:

Oranges and Apples - we just hate fruit based engineering.

Face it, it's just sour grapes.

I hate it when people com-pear things like that!



i'll get my coat :oops:

Ferrals

but seriously, I wonder what kiwi's think of oranges?


..... yes i know that's awful but i had to think of a fruit pun or i'd have never got on with work

Thewaylander

Russyh wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

IMO looks the same as every other orange.. naff and a rip off.

That's the problem, its an opinion which in the real world is worth feck all other than to yourself!

Same as your opinion that it is great.. its a forum to share opinions, stop crying and insulting me, at least i haven't insulted you.

russyh

Thewaylander wrote:

Russyh wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

IMO looks the same as every other orange.. naff and a rip off.

That's the problem, its an opinion which in the real world is worth feck all other than to yourself!

Same as your opinion that it is great.. its a forum to share opinions, stop crying and insulting me, at least i haven't insulted you.

Exactly, that's my point...Opinions are great, but they are only that. I get your opinion and everyone else's, just mine is different. I don't take it personally, I actually agree with some of the points made around spec. Compare bike for bike and its impossible to argue, look at my bike spec now vs new and its easy to see i agree with that. My point was around what I see as value vs. what you and others see is very much different. Value is a term that is broader than just the price.....

But as for crying and insulting you??? Where?? I don't get it? How is what i have written in anyway insulting? Or demonstrating that i am in fact crying? To coin your own phrase 'its a forum' people debate differing opinions, i'm sorry if you feel that not agreeing with you suggest i am upset. Frankly I'm not, i'm a big grown up boy with a family, important job, mortgage and a pretty sweet life. I wont cry over something you or anyone else says whilst hiding behind their keyboard about my bike....

Thewaylander

Russyh wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

Russyh wrote:

Thewaylander wrote:

IMO looks the same as every other orange.. naff and a rip off.

That's the problem, its an opinion which in the real world is worth feck all other than to yourself!

Same as your opinion that it is great.. its a forum to share opinions, stop crying and insulting me, at least i haven't insulted you.

Exactly, that's my point...Opinions are great, but they are only that. I get your opinion and everyone else's, just mine is different. I don't take it personally, I actually agree with some of the points made around spec. Compare bike for bike and its impossible to argue, look at my bike spec now vs new and its easy to see i agree with that. My point was around what I see as value vs. what you and others see is very much different. Value is a term that is broader than just the price.....

But as for crying and insulting you??? Where?? I don't get it? How is what i have written in anyway insulting? Or demonstrating that i am in fact crying? To coin your own phrase 'its a forum' people debate differing opinions, i'm sorry if you feel that not agreeing with you suggest i am upset. Frankly I'm not, i'm a big grown up boy with a family, important job, mortgage and a pretty sweet life. I wont cry over something you or anyone else says whilst hiding behind their keyboard about my bike....

More aimed at the guy calling people bitches, had no sleep last night so read it as one post apologies.

But i think your argument basically states its pointless having an opinion on a forum therefore dont post ever :P

And feel free to ride over my way, while im limping my fat ass round the trail i will insult your bike at great length :P

russyh

In all seriousness that's one of the things i love about the sport, when you turn up and mates and randomers on the trail take the piss out of each others kit. I don't mind the filing cabinet jokes, 5 bar gate etc. Same as i take the piss out of friends on Canyons for being cheap skates, or spesh, giant or trek riders for having no imagination...Its all about the banter and actually what its all about. I don't like the term Bitches. I prefer haters, its amazing how people become brand loyal and protective over a couple of grands worth of metal and plastic isnt it!!!

I wasn't trying to suggest that you shouldn't post an opinion 95% of all forum traffic is opinion, its what makes these little ding dongs entertaining. I was trying to make a point that all opinions are only worth something to the poster no one else, sure they make for debate and i apologise if i was a little abrupt.

CitizenLee

It's all good fun until someone looses an eye

FFIW, I thought your were perfectly calm and reasonable Russ.

Angus Young

And we were doing so well with the fruit jokes there for a while.

russyh

CitizenLee wrote:

It's all good fun until someone looses an eye

FFIW, I thought your were perfectly calm and reasonable Russ.

Cheers Dude 8)

Thewaylander

i prefer a good pear?

russyh

I quite often make sure i have a nice pear at least once a day, occasionally i wedge a nice ripe banana in between a juicy pear. I have even been known to enjoy the intricacies of a nice smooth peach!

CitizenLee

I think we can all agree that the worst thing is when you get a couple of bruised plums :oops:

ilovedirt

Angus Young wrote:

Ferrals wrote:

Your arguing about 'value' of a multi thousand pound push bike. Of course it's not good bloody value, none of them are, they cost more than a car. Every (fairly normal) person I know thinks I'm a fool for spending a grand on a bike. I'm having no more fun than on the £200 quid bike I had when I stared riding 25 years ago, but to me the bike is still worth it. There's the difference, value is objective and the fact is mtbs are not good value, but worth is subjective which is why rustyh is happy to have spent the money on his orange and why I'm happy with just having spent 40 quid on a hope chain ring which objectively was not necessary.
I'd actually go so far to say thinking about value for a luxury leisure item is utterly irrelevant in standard economic terms.

Perfectly put.

Not perfectly put, he contradicts himself several times.
If someone is happy spending their money on something, then that is good value. I think this is what he's trying to say, but he's also trying to say that 'value' has some definitive measure. It doesn't. Value is entirely subjective.

ilovedirt

Russyh wrote:

In all seriousness that's one of the things i love about the sport, when you turn up and mates and randomers on the trail take the wee-wee out of each others kit. I don't mind the filing cabinet jokes, 5 bar gate etc. Same as i take the wee-wee out of friends on Canyons for being cheap skates, or spesh, giant or trek riders for having no imagination...Its all about the banter and actually what its all about. I don't like the term Bitches. I prefer haters, its amazing how people become brand loyal and protective over a couple of grands worth of metal and plastic isnt it!!!

I wasn't trying to suggest that you shouldn't post an opinion 95% of all forum traffic is opinion, its what makes these little ding dongs entertaining. I was trying to make a point that all opinions are only worth something to the poster no one else, sure they make for debate and i apologise if i was a little abrupt.

Yeah all my mates rip into each other about gear, but then we drop into a bit of trail and just have fun riding it. It's all in the nature of it

russyh

CitizenLee wrote:

I think we can all agree that the worst thing is when you get a couple of bruised plums :oops:

Not at all, bruised plums heal a rotten plum is whole different ball game. Generally rotten plums follow sampling an over fondled peach

Angus Young

ilovedirt wrote:

Not perfectly put, he contradicts himself several times.

No he doesn't. Read it again.

CitizenLee

Russyh wrote:

CitizenLee wrote:

I think we can all agree that the worst thing is when you get a couple of bruised plums :oops:

Not at all, bruised plums heal a rotten plum is whole different ball game. Generally rotten plums follow sampling an over fondled peach

Haha, yeah mate gotta stay away from those over fondled peaches!

ilovedirt

Angus Young wrote:

ilovedirt wrote:

Not perfectly put, he contradicts himself several times.

No he doesn't. Read it again.

Okay, you're right, but in that case, he is wrong. Value, by definition, means how something fulfills the user's needs. If a price around £4k, a certain level of spec and ride, and loyalty to a particular brand are the user's needs, then that represents good value. Value isn't simply monetary, and obviously orange bikes represent good value to certain people, otherwise they wouldn't still be in business.

CitizenLee

I think it's safe to say that dead horse has been well and truly flogged now.

Fruit puns, or GTFO

ilovedirt

You should be grapeful for my contribution.

russyh

ilovedirt wrote:

Angus Young wrote:

ilovedirt wrote:

Not perfectly put, he contradicts himself several times.

No he doesn't. Read it again.

Okay, you're right, but in that case, he is wrong. Value, by definition, means how something fulfills the user's needs. If a price around £4k, a certain level of spec and ride, and loyalty to a particular brand are the user's needs, then that represents good value. Value isn't simply monetary, and obviously orange bikes represent good value to certain people, otherwise they wouldn't still be in business.

Spot on...

but lets not dwell on spoilt fruit

ilovedirt

Yes, let's not get meloncholy about it.

buddy_club

i can pearly understand whats been said so far

supersonic

Bananas.