New orange Segment

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  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,594
    IMO looks the same as every other orange.. naff and a rip off.
  • mickle141
    mickle141 Posts: 6
    Wow - as ever the internet is full of bitches. I've just bought one of these and its absolutely brilliant.

    http://www.3peakscycles.com/p/7068/Oran ... nt-RS-2015
  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    Thewaylander wrote:
    IMO looks the same as every other orange.. naff and a rip off.

    That's the problem, its an opinion which in the real world is worth feck all other than to yourself!
  • CitizenLee
    CitizenLee Posts: 2,227
    mickle141 wrote:
    Wow - as ever the internet is full of bitches. I've just bought one of these and its absolutely brilliant.

    http://www.3peakscycles.com/p/7068/Oran ... nt-RS-2015

    Bitches? We prefer realists thank you very much :D

    Enjoy your 4K purchase, no one is trying to ruin it for you... just don't expect many people to agree that you get a good deal on them or that there's much in the way of innovation going on.

    If it ain't broke, innovate anyway ;)
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  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    Bitches is a bit strong, i prefer haters. I can see both sides of the argument and understand it is never going to won on BR forums, just got to live with it and enjoy my Orange. The smile it puts on my face is worth every penny spent and even wasted on other bikes people deem superior!
  • fridgehq
    fridgehq Posts: 54
    As you’d expect from Orange it’s built to go the distance and cost the EARTH for old tech
  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    mickle141 wrote:
    Wow - as ever the internet is full of bitches. I've just bought one of these and its absolutely brilliant.

    http://www.3peakscycles.com/p/7068/Oran ... nt-RS-2015
    How can you say it's brilliant when presumably you haven't even gotten it yet, let alone ridden it, considering the release date is later this month...
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    ilovedirt wrote:
    mickle141 wrote:
    Wow - as ever the internet is full of bitches. I've just bought one of these and its absolutely brilliant.

    http://www.3peakscycles.com/p/7068/Oran ... nt-RS-2015
    How can you say it's brilliant when presumably you haven't even gotten it yet, let alone ridden it, considering the release date is later this month...

    Tell yourself something enough times and you will believe it. Spend £4k on a five bar gate with wheels and you're going to have to tell yourself it's brilliant to try to justify it.
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    ilovedirt wrote:
    mickle141 wrote:
    Wow - as ever the internet is full of bitches. I've just bought one of these and its absolutely brilliant.

    http://www.3peakscycles.com/p/7068/Oran ... nt-RS-2015
    How can you say it's brilliant when presumably you haven't even gotten it yet, let alone ridden it, considering the release date is later this month...

    Tell yourself something enough times and you will believe it. Spend £4k on a five bar gate with wheels and you're going to have to tell yourself it's brilliant to try to justify it.

    Cobblers. If I spend 4K on something and it's crap I'll be the first to tell everyone loud and clear. If I spend 4K on a bike it better be amazing, and for real. And, given it's my money, I have no need to justify the purchase to anyone.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    He hasn't even got it yet so all he can do is tell himself how brilliant it is.
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    edited July 2014
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    He hasn't even got it yet so all he can do is tell himself how brilliant it is.

    That's O.K. though. Presumably he saw good reason to spend 4K on a particular bike so assuming it's going to fit the bill prior to delivery is quite natural.

    Mind you, despite what I said in the last post, you are correct that many will justify an expensive purchase beyond the cold reality. I just don't think it fair to say that of everyone. I'm about to pull the trigger and if the bike turns out to not be everything it should, it's straight on ebay in a flash!
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    I did that once. Really wanted a Giant Reign X, thought it would be amazing. It turned out to be crap, the rear suspension was terrible (700lb spring for a 15 stone rider means zero sensitivity) I broke three lower linkages in three months then lost a grand selling it on ebay.
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  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    Should of bought an Orange then Rockmonkey! ;-)
  • poah
    poah Posts: 3,369
    Russyh wrote:
    POAH wrote:
    Russyh wrote:
    , but they are selling bucket loads so they must be getting something right! It's also important to remember that what one person perceives as good value is different to the next man.

    marketing.

    With respect that's a weak argument. The price is subject to people's perception of value. Like I say what I see as value for money may be different to the next person. That's life I'm afraid, you and others may not like it but it's how modern developed consumer economy's work. If the product was bad value to the majority of it's competing market place then it and the business would fail. Like I say must be doing something right!


    what other products can you think of that are over priced, not actually any better than the competion but have a following. A great example is stella lager, its far too fizzy, it tastes like rats piss and is expensive.
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  • poah
    poah Posts: 3,369
    ilovedirt wrote:
    CitizenLee wrote:
    "Marketing" is somewhat of a true statement in this case though, as generally speaking only a certain demographic buy Orange bikes. Emphasis on generally.

    Also, perceived value is all very well, but comparing spec for spec to similar bikes then there is no value for money with Orange, none... and that's not down to perception or opinion, it's cold hard fact.

    Each to their own though :)
    You could stick the same spec on an Apollo, doesn't make it a good bike!!

    same with an orange :lol:
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  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    I am guessing you have never ridden one, poah and I refer to the 3 pages of post justifying the buying decisions of many, many others.

    As mentioned before, overpriced is subjective. I won't go down that route again, but people rarely just purchase on price.
  • poah
    poah Posts: 3,369
    Russyh wrote:
    I am guessing you have never ridden one, poah and I refer to the 3 pages of post justifying the buying decisions of many, many others.

    As mentioned before, overpriced is subjective. I won't go down that route again, but people rarely just purchase on price.

    I've have two orange bikes in my dads garage from the 90's - I used to be a fanboy :wink:
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  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    POAH wrote:
    Russyh wrote:
    I am guessing you have never ridden one, poah and I refer to the 3 pages of post justifying the buying decisions of many, many others.

    As mentioned before, overpriced is subjective. I won't go down that route again, but people rarely just purchase on price.

    I've have two orange bikes in my dads garage from the 90's - I used to be a fanboy :wink:

    Surprised it took 3 pages for someone to mention the 'f' word.
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  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    POAH wrote:
    Russyh wrote:
    I am guessing you have never ridden one, poah and I refer to the 3 pages of post justifying the buying decisions of many, many others.

    As mentioned before, overpriced is subjective. I won't go down that route again, but people rarely just purchase on price.

    I've have two orange bikes in my dads garage from the 90's - I used to be a fanboy :wink:
    But not a modern (oxymoron) five or similar then....forget internet bravado, if you haven't ridden one be a man and admit it
  • poah
    poah Posts: 3,369
    Russyh wrote:
    But not a modern (oxymoron) five or similar then....forget internet bravado, if you haven't ridden one be a man and admit it

    riden one at glentress recently, don't see it any better than my current bike. The 5 is poorly spec'd for the price, not particularly light with a crapy single pivot. now if it was £500 cheaper people wouldn't be so down on the bike and people like you wouldn't get so uptight about them, bet you could crush a bit of coal into a diamond with your sphincter right now :lol:
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  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    Not at all, I am not the one that started slating orange. It's a bike, it does what I want, I can afford it.
    I don't justify the spec of their bikes but I do justify the pricing by suggesting that value is just it what something costs....I understand you don't get it, I am over it....was never under it.

    But I have noticed you make several snipey comments about the brand followed by laughing at your own jokes. I noticed no one else quotes your drivel but you keep replying as if having the last word means you win an argument. It doesn't wind me up pal, I'm a big grown up boy. I gave up caring what Ill informed over opinionated morons thought years ago.

    Now I will await you to have to have the final word again, which would confirm pretty much my suspicions.

    Peace.
  • stubs
    stubs Posts: 5,001
    I have ridden a couple of Orange bikes (a 5 and a Patriot) and for a £1200 bike they were a great. Pity they usually cost about 3 times that and always look like they were welded by a blind man on a trampoline.
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  • IDave
    IDave Posts: 223
    POAH wrote:
    Russyh wrote:
    I am guessing you have never ridden one, poah and I refer to the 3 pages of post justifying the buying decisions of many, many others.

    As mentioned before, overpriced is subjective. I won't go down that route again, but people rarely just purchase on price.

    I've have two orange bikes in my dads garage from the 90's - I used to be a fanboy :wink:

    And you're not willing to spend £4k to buy an almost identical bike in 2014?! Why ever not?
  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    POAH wrote:
    a crapy single pivot.

    What's wrong with single pivots? Some of the best bikes I have ridden have had single pivots (Transition TR450, Nukeproof Mega & Scalp, Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler and others)
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  • poah
    poah Posts: 3,369
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    POAH wrote:
    a crapy single pivot.

    What's wrong with single pivots? Some of the best bikes I have ridden have had single pivots (Transition TR450, Nukeproof Mega & Scalp, Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler and others)

    oh I forgot you were a riding god :roll:
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  • YIMan
    YIMan Posts: 576
    The bike is ugly.....just like every other mountain bike with those silly penny-farthing wheels.

    It will still be bought by very average riders who believe everything they read in the magazines and think that the "latest tech." will magically make them a better rider.
  • Lewis A
    Lewis A Posts: 767
    POAH wrote:
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    POAH wrote:
    a crapy single pivot.

    What's wrong with single pivots? Some of the best bikes I have ridden have had single pivots (Transition TR450, Nukeproof Mega & Scalp, Santa Cruz Bullit & Heckler and others)

    oh I forgot you were a riding god :roll:

    However good his riding may or may not be doesn't affect how well those bikes ride. Whatsoever.
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  • Ferrals
    Ferrals Posts: 785
    Your arguing about 'value' of a multi thousand pound push bike. Of course it's not good bloody value, none of them are, they cost more than a car. Every (fairly normal) person I know thinks I'm a twat for spending a grand on a bike. I'm having no more fun than on the £200 quid bike I had when I stared riding 25 years ago, but to me the bike is still worth it. There's the difference, value is objective and the fact is mtbs are not good value, but worth is subjective which is why rustyh is happy to have spent the money on his orange and why I'm happy with just having spent 40 quid on a hope chain ring which objectively was not necessary.
    I'd actually go so far to say thinking about value for a luxury leisure item is utterly irrelevant in standard economic terms.
  • Angus Young
    Angus Young Posts: 3,063
    Ferrals wrote:
    Your arguing about 'value' of a multi thousand pound push bike. Of course it's not good bloody value, none of them are, they cost more than a car. Every (fairly normal) person I know thinks I'm a fool for spending a grand on a bike. I'm having no more fun than on the £200 quid bike I had when I stared riding 25 years ago, but to me the bike is still worth it. There's the difference, value is objective and the fact is mtbs are not good value, but worth is subjective which is why rustyh is happy to have spent the money on his orange and why I'm happy with just having spent 40 quid on a hope chain ring which objectively was not necessary.
    I'd actually go so far to say thinking about value for a luxury leisure item is utterly irrelevant in standard economic terms.

    Perfectly put.
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  • russyh
    russyh Posts: 1,375
    It's an interesting debate, but I would say in these frugal times people are more interested in perceived value of their leisure products...

    As for mtb being an expensive sport, again it's relative. If you purchased a season ticket for a premiership football team you would be paying between £1000-£2000 a year, plus travel etc. with no asset at the end of the year, so relatively speaking it seems like bloody good value.

    My point is people arguing over 'value' and how something rides is a bit like arguing which colour is best red or blue... It's all down to personal experience & taste

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