Chris Froome tweet
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Turfle wrote:Froome described himself as (paraphrasing here) "a Briton who feels most at home in Africa". Maybe you should do him the courtesy of allowing him to define himself.
Why should he be allowed to that, when he's not allowed to speak out with a view to improving cycling's credibility? :roll:
I cannot believe anyone thinks he shouldn't raise this. As he himself says, he's the one that's got to take all the shit in July about being clean or not. It's in HIS interest for the testing to happen as well as cycling as a whole.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
He can define himself as he likes and others can define him as they like. I admit that I tend to warm to British riders for no other reason than I grew up in the same country as them - Froome didn't.
On the other hand I like his cycling background getting into it riding with group of black guys on MTBs - as a white kid in Kenya I presume that took a bit of character and it's a bit more romantic than coming through a highly structured track programme. In other words it's only cycling - people can pick and choose why they like or dislike a rider - that can be because of nationality, riding style, panache or whatever.
OK if I said I didn't like a rider because of their skin colour or I liked them because they had been busted for doping several times that might be questionable but the usual stuff is neither here nor there.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
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He should have killed that kid when he had the chance. He'll grow up to be a nasty piece of work called Joffrey.tuneskyline wrote:Twitter: @RichN950 -
tuneskyline wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:bompington wrote:
Right enough, I'd forgotten about it until Froome went and mentioned it.tuneskyline wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:tuneskyline wrote:Cycling needs to take a leaf out of other sports. Even if you are trying to do a good thing, not many believe cyclists so it gets turned around. Better to say nothing or in the cases were riders do get caught keep it to a minimum.
Like I said the other day Zidane is a hero and his PED's bust ignored but any cyclist is treated like a murderer banned hated etc etc. We can't stop riders doping but we can try and handle things a bit better and in most cases its best if riders keep their mouths shut or we end up with another doping headline.
So you're in favour of good old-fadhioned omertà?
If they are clean the there is no need for an omertà.
Cycling and doping go together like eggs and bacon in most peoples eyes. Froome may have been well meaning but he his only highlighting the connection between doping and cycling again. His tweet was misjudged in my view.
Ok, Bomp, that made me larf out loud
This is quite possibly the most entertaining thread since Frenchie decided to exact revenge on impudent posters by withholding his marv equine photo, only to provoke a herd of pony avis
Bomp's comment made you laugh. :roll: Jesus.
From your posts you seem to be Sky's no 1 fan so you defend for the sake of defence. But do you see the can of worms that tweet has opened up. Its not about what you or I think, it puts doping and cycling in the same hole again. Not good for no one in my view. Even if my man Andy Schleck had tweeted that I would have said bad move.
You would never see Ronaldo or Drogba asking why they haven't been tested.
Who I like or dislike has bugger all to do with it - and as a matter of fact if you read my posts you'd know that I really don't like Froome one little bit. However my personal likes or dislikes are irrelevant to being able to comment on omertà. Only thing I would add is that if you think riders keeping it zipped about lack of doping controls is how things should go, than it seems to indicate that you have little understanding or appreciation that cycling's kind of moved on from the day of Lance doing his 'zip up the month' gesture to camera during the Tour.
Ask Andy Schleck whether cycling's changed in the last few years.0 -
adamfo wrote:tuneskyline wrote:adamfo wrote:frenchfighter wrote:^^Maybe you can tweet him and ask how many times he had been to the UK?
I seem to remember he was asked that during the Tour last year. He answered his father lived in South Africa and a lot of his relatives in England.
BTW. His surname Froome is about as English as you can get. It's old English for place beside the river.There may also be a West Country connection with the town of Frome.
Clive Froome was educated at Rugby school and played Hockey for England Juniors. He sent his two eldest sons, at great expense, to I believe the same school but Chris had to slum it at a rather cheaper establishment in South Africa !
Froome is not English/British. He was born elsewhere. If you want to adopt him and pretend he's English then go ahead. In fact Wiggo was born in Belgium so technically so still no British/English born tour winner although Wiggo has been here most of his life. I mean who really gives a fu$k. I was born in England and I like Andy Schleck so suck on that
No wonder That $%$% Nigel Farage is popular.
I was born in Hong Kong and have a British passport. Does that mean I'm not British ?
My mum was born in India of British parents. Must remember to remind her she's not British when I see her next.
You know, the way this 'discussion' has been taken re Froome's nationality reminds me very much of one particular rayjay (and his follow up poster name). The language is also strikingly similar..0 -
antsmithmk wrote:argyllflyer wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:No doubt Froome thinks he might have 3 GT's by now if it wasn't for Wiggins, anyone that watched the 2012 Tour would doubt that. I might give him that Vuelta though !
A fair chunk of his deficit to Wiggo was from his puncture on stage 1. If he'd been given licence to attack in the mountains, with not a great deal of competition (Nibbles couldn't shake them both) he could have eaten into the TT advantage that Wiggo gained.
Please can I have a look through your retrospectoscope?
1m25s loss on stage 1 is not that far off what Froome lost to BW on the 3 TT stages (about 2m). GC becomes far closer then and CF even now seems to see it as a 'what if' i.e. a protected rider would have been paced back after the puncture.0 -
So does anyone know how many times he has stepped foot in the UK?RichN95 wrote:With regard to the nationality thing, a friend of mine has been friends with Froome's brothers since they were at school together (about 20 years ago) and I asked him whether they consider themselves British or Kenyan and he said that he didn't know as he'd never asked them, but he himself had never considered them to be anything other than British.
Not that it really matters. People move around a lot these days. Plenty of bi-nationals.
Froome is not his brothers.
I have a French passport but consider myself English as I have lived here all my life. I would never get a UK passport as it has the queen's (small Q) emblem on it.
And 'Paper/Legal Nationality' ATC is not particularly of interest to me. People should have respect and affinity to the country that formed them.
I vote Labour not UKIP, not Conservative. FYI.Contador is the Greatest0 -
RichN95 wrote:I remember watching an Aussie and a Kiwi argue about what nationality Russell Crowe was. Funny thing was neither wanted to lay claim to him and tried to pass him off onto the other.
That's where the media helps us decide....in the past it's been "Australian Russell Crowe wins Oscar" and "New Zealand born Russell Crowe hits hotel employee with phone". It all depends on the spin0 -
cyclingsheep wrote:RichN95 wrote:I remember watching an Aussie and a Kiwi argue about what nationality Russell Crowe was. Funny thing was neither wanted to lay claim to him and tried to pass him off onto the other.
That's where the media helps us decide....in the past it's been "Australian Russell Crowe wins Oscar" and "New Zealand born Russell Crowe hits hotel employee with phone". It all depends on the spin
Andy Murray. British when he wins. Scottish when he gurns....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
It's more than five if that helps you.frenchfighter wrote:So does anyone know how many times he has stepped foot in the UK?Twitter: @RichN950 -
Macaloon wrote:cyclingsheep wrote:RichN95 wrote:I remember watching an Aussie and a Kiwi argue about what nationality Russell Crowe was. Funny thing was neither wanted to lay claim to him and tried to pass him off onto the other.
That's where the media helps us decide....in the past it's been "Australian Russell Crowe wins Oscar" and "New Zealand born Russell Crowe hits hotel employee with phone". It all depends on the spin
Andy Murray. British when he wins. Scottish when he gurns.
Do you think Hawaii claim Nicole Kidman?
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...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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Macaloon wrote:
Wow that guy goes on rides prepared....he even carries a spare chain round his neck0 -
Let's be honest, the whole nationality thing is bullshit. It was only raised on this thread as another stick to beat Froome with, because the majority shouted down complaints about the tweet.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Ok nationality police, here's a question:
If an Australian marries an Italian and they adopt an Ethiopian baby and live in Switzerland then:
a) what nationality is the child?
b) will that answer change over time?
c) is the Australian finished as a Grand Tour rider?
Bonus points will be given for graphs.Twitter: @RichN950 -
a) Fijian
b) undoubtedly
c) yes, but he's been a great riderIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Quick question...what has somebody's nationality got to do with whether or not it's a good idea for them to express their concern over not being given an out of competition doping test?0
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My teenage kids have 3 passports through their parents and country of birth. They have no clue what to say when people ask where they're from. But they love Cadel Evans so I let them stay....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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So who is going to the book signing?
He wins a GT and tries to cash in with this book.
Contador has won 7 GTs, is the greatest stage race rider of his generation and has entertained the fans for a decade but does not have a book out.Contador is the Greatest0 -
4FSIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Contador is the Greatest0 -
What has this got to do with Froome's tweet Frenchie?frenchfighter wrote:So who is going to the book signing?
He wins a GT and tries to cash in with this book.
Contador has won 7 GTs, is the greatest stage race rider of his generation and has entertained the fans for a decade but does not have a book out.0 -
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
What has this got to do with Froome's tweet Frenchie?frenchfighter wrote:So who is going to the book signing?
He wins a GT and tries to cash in with this book.
Contador has won 7 GTs, is the greatest stage race rider of his generation and has entertained the fans for a decade but does not have a book out.
Nothing. It's another desperate attempt to run him down.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Depends what tweet you are talking about.
@chrisfroome · 21h
Arrived in Manchester for my book signing at @ManArndale tomorrow. Hope to see you there!
Also irrelevant as the thread went tangential a long time ago.Contador is the Greatest0 -
I was talking about the tweet that started this thread. You so far haven't discussed it other than to slate Froome for posting it as a, seemingly, paranoid reaction to the fact that he may have been 'slyly' having a pop at Contador.frenchfighter wrote:Depends what tweet you are talking about.
@chrisfroome · 21h
Arrived in Manchester for my book signing at @ManArndale tomorrow. Hope to see you there!
Also irrelevant as the thread went tangential a long time ago.0 -
Ok. I was talking about the tweet I quoted.
My opinion on the original tweet is pretty simple and I cant post about it for 10 pages.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Never stopped you beforefrenchfighter wrote:Ok. I was talking about the tweet I quoted.
My opinion on the original tweet is pretty simple and I cant post about it for 10 pages.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQr6GrgSPnw
