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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,718
    Well done Nathan Haas for winning the 2012 Tour of Britain.
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    r0bh wrote:
    Banned for two years: http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

    Is this the same PDF that had announced the Menchov ban to the world? Or has it been updated since?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Sky fire him immediately:
    http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290, ... 37,00.html
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  • mm1
    mm1 Posts: 1,063
    chrisday wrote:
    Anyone brave enough to visit the Asylum and report back?

    Relatively quiet for now. Odd claim that the UCI is covering this up by publishing? Probably want more of a fanfare.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    dish_dash wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Banned for two years: http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

    Is this the same PDF that had announced the Menchov ban to the world? Or has it been updated since?

    They just add to it. It has Menchov there as well.
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    frenchfighter wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Banned for two years: http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTU3Mjg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

    Is this the same PDF that had announced the Menchov ban to the world? Or has it been updated since?

    They just add to it. It has Menchov there as well.

    Yeah... I've since read the various F5 comments on twitter... seems UCI intend to just upload a doc with a new line in it each time they bust someone...

    Have to say, I'm outraged that they didn't announce this on Tuesday. How dare the Brian Cookson not follow the way it has always been done! :P
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited July 2014
    mm1 wrote:
    chrisday wrote:
    Anyone brave enough to visit the Asylum and report back?

    Relatively quiet for now. Odd claim that the UCI is covering this up by publishing? Probably want more of a fanfare.
    The 'anti-doping' media (both regular and social) don't want clean cycling. They want scandal. With Menchov, a three time Grand Tour winner being banned was of secondary importance for them compared to the UCI not telling them so they could make a fuss.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • OPQS
    OPQS Posts: 187
    Oh no! Griepel is down! Hope he's OK.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad
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  • OPQS
    OPQS Posts: 187
    Ooh that was close! I hope Sagan is happy with that - he didn't disgrace himself.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    The system works...

    Hopefully he'll go down the Millar road rather than the steadfast denial route.

    Also, I thought Sky did all that sort of analysis before signing anyone
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • OPQS
    OPQS Posts: 187
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad

    Just for clarity, is the suggestion that he doped before joining SKY (in order to get into the big leagues), or that he has doped while at SKY? It's the former right?
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    OPQS wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad

    Just for clarity, is the suggestion that he doped before joining SKY (in order to get into the big leagues), or that he has doped while at SKY? It's the former right?

    Correct. Case was based on values registered while at Endura
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    OPQS wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad

    Just for clarity, is the suggestion that he doped before joining SKY (in order to get into the big leagues), or that he has doped while at SKY? It's the former right?
    The dodgy readings are specifically from late 2012 when he was an Endura rider, not 2013, hence why he's been DQed fro the Tour of Britain & Worlds. Prior to that he wasn't on the passport, but his form was similar throughout 2012 and crap in 2013.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Also, I thought Sky did all that sort of analysis before signing anyone

    They do now.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    RichN95 wrote:
    OPQS wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad

    Just for clarity, is the suggestion that he doped before joining SKY (in order to get into the big leagues), or that he has doped while at SKY? It's the former right?
    The dodgy readings are specifically from late 2012 when he was an Endura rider, not 2013, hence why he's been DQed fro the Tour of Britain & Worlds. Prior to that he wasn't on the passport, but his form was similar throughout 2012 and crap in 2013.

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    The system works...

    Hopefully he'll go down the Millar road rather than the steadfast denial route.

    Also, I thought Sky did all that sort of analysis before signing anyone

    There's only so much any team can do on someone without a bio passport.
  • symo
    symo Posts: 1,743
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    So where would he get the cash?
    +++++++++++++++++++++
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    symo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    So where would he get the cash?

    Ask Dan Staite, I doubt it can be mega bucks if plucky amateurs and sportive warriors are also doping.
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  • symo
    symo Posts: 1,743
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    symo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    So where would he get the cash?

    Ask Dan Staite, I doubt it can be mega bucks if plucky amateurs and sportive warriors are also doping.
    Ah but they are using doping product this is bio-passport so therefore clever and sophistimicated; implying blood and epo.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    we are the proud, the few, Descendents.

    Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    @RussellHampton 3m
    Shame John tienean locke only got his @TourofBritain title stripped off him. Only one year before i was second to him in the KOM Comp!
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    But hey no point of being bitter about it right?!
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    symo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    So where would he get the cash?
    A vial of EPO isn't that expensive. About £100-200 I think.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • symo
    symo Posts: 1,743
    RichN95 wrote:
    symo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    So where would he get the cash?
    A vial of EPO isn't that expensive. About £100-200 I think.
    Takes more than one for a good season no? Don't think he was on shedloads at Endura.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    we are the proud, the few, Descendents.

    Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.
  • squired
    squired Posts: 1,153
    It is very sad. I had hoped he would be cleared after presenting whatever medical evidence he had. Irrespective of that, the old story of someone suddenly getting spectacular results before being found to have doped generally seems to hold true.

    I wouldn't hold out much hope of Kreuziger getting off his Bio Passport case.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    symo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    symo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:

    What does Brian Smith (occasionally of this parish) have to say?
    He's backed him in the past. I doubt this has anything to do with either team. More likely he was doing it alone.
    So where would he get the cash?
    A vial of EPO isn't that expensive. About £100-200 I think.
    Takes more than one for a good season no? Don't think he was on shedloads at Endura.
    Sure. But not many.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    chrisday wrote:
    Anyone brave enough to visit the Asylum and report back?

    I would but I haven't seen today's race - the doping thread full of evidence against today's winner will have been bumped up the front page.
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  • jamie1012
    jamie1012 Posts: 171
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    OPQS wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad

    Just for clarity, is the suggestion that he doped before joining SKY (in order to get into the big leagues), or that he has doped while at SKY? It's the former right?

    Correct. Case was based on values registered while at Endura
    He did ride under Brailsford during the period in question though (at the Worlds).
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    jamie1012 wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    OPQS wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    so it was all too good to be true. Sad

    Just for clarity, is the suggestion that he doped before joining SKY (in order to get into the big leagues), or that he has doped while at SKY? It's the former right?

    Correct. Case was based on values registered while at Endura
    He did ride under Brailsford during the period in question though (at the Worlds).


    People say that he rode for Brailsford at the World's but that's really just a finger-pointing exercise. Teams for the World's probably spend about 3 days together MAX. And even less of that time with DB himself.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    jamie1012 wrote:
    He did ride under Brailsford during the period in question though (at the Worlds).

    I somehow doubt SDB phoned up JTL and said "right Jon, we're riding for you as you were brilliant on the climbs in Tour of Britain, especially Caerphilly, the course is right up your alley and we have no one else suitable... just make sure you 'prepare' properly".

    If he doped to win ToB (and those early European races he was called out for doing), and he was still doped for the Worlds, pinning that on DB is tenuous.

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