Carlton Kirby

bobmcstuff

womack

jimmythecuckoo said:

In CK news... who has ordered his "Magic Spanner" kit?

https://www.primaleurope.com/products/carlton-kirby-fan-club-womens-nexas-jersey-preorder

I guess a lot of people may think you are advertising vacuum cleaners.

(I presume Kirby vacuum cleaners are still going!)

blazing_saddles

daniel_b said:

That's pretty special / unusual.
I really like Blythe, Hatch and Lloyd, but I wouldn't want to join a club or wear a jersey mentioning it

I wonder how many they will sell....

If he wanted a product to sell well, he would be better off putting his name to edible toilet paper.
Then they could brand it as: "for anyone who experiences those, diarrhea flowing from both ends, moments."

rick_chasey

"Pronounces names wrong to make YOU feel good"

m.r.m.

Didn't think it was possible, but I hate Rob Hatch almost as much as Kirby.

bobmcstuff

I don't mind Hatch.

I was thinking again today how Kelly is almost a completely different person without Kirby. With Kirby he hardly says anything.

orraloon

^ This

orraloon

As an add, when I hear a Kirby 'babble pun nonsense... Sean' oft repeated and always there is a silence I can hear the Kelly soto voce 'OFFS...' before the gritted teeth stylee contribution.

mrb123

bobmcstuff said:

I don't mind Hatch.

I was thinking again today how Kelly is almost a completely different person without Kirby. With Kirby he hardly says anything.

I've really enjoyed the Giro coverage. Hatch isn't perfect but leads the line reasonably well. All the other have been great. Breakaway straight after is a good watch. Hopefully this may be the sign of things to come and Kirby may be phased out in the new GCN era.

blazing_saddles

m.r.m. said:

Didn't think it was possible, but I hate Rob Hatch almost as much as Kirby.

I expect Kirby will have the Dauphine comms from tomorrow, so I would say give it a week and you will be begging for Hatch.

m.r.m.

Most likely you are right.

Pross

I think it's a bit of a case of familiarity breeding contempt. Having him for 3 weeks solid means you pick up on some annoying habits and you get a respite from Kirby so forget just how bad he is.

bobmcstuff

Kirby and Holme for Dauphine according to Dan Lloyd on Twitter.

DeVlaeminck

Due to tennis I've had to listen to ITV coverage 2 days running - dear God how do some of you prefer this to Carlton Kirby it's aural mogadon.

blazing_saddles

Dear Gawd, Kirby once again tipping Michael Schwarzmann ftw, because he doesn't realise that the guy isn't the rider he thinks he is.
Max Schachmann, isn't in the race.

Poor old Mike has only ever won one race, five years ago, at the Tour d'Azerbaïdjan, against mainly conti riders.

womack

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

bobmcstuff

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

When did Rob Hatch tip a rider to win who wasn't even in the race?

womack

bobmcstuff said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

When did Rob Hatch tip a rider to win who wasn't even in the race?

Very selective with your answer there Graham.

Pross

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

womack

Pross said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

As I may have mentioned before out of the lot of them I personally prefer Quigley.

To be honest there is not much value in either Kirby and his nonsense and Hatch and his constant audition for a part in the remake of Allo, Allo.

blazing_saddles

womack said:

Pross said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

As I may have mentioned before out of the lot of them I personally prefer Quigley.

To be honest there is not much value in either Kirby and his nonsense and Hatch and his constant audition for a part in the remake of Allo, Allo.

If Hatch gets up your nose for pronouncing names correctly, you'll just love Jose Been.

Pross

womack said:

Pross said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

As I may have mentioned before out of the lot of them I personally prefer Quigley.

To be honest there is not much value in either Kirby and his nonsense and Hatch and his constant audition for a part in the remake of Allo, Allo.

Quigley seems to have disappeared a bit with the GCN merger. Always quite liked him but he has only ever really been a fill in option so not really given the chance to become annoying. As I've said recently people were getting a bit fed up with Hatch by the end of the Giro as they'd heard so much of him. For me it still only takes 10 minutes of Kirby to forgive the moments of hyperbole and that new thing of saying things twice though.

bobmcstuff

womack said:

bobmcstuff said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

When did Rob Hatch tip a rider to win who wasn't even in the race?

Very selective with your answer there Graham.

That's what I get for admitting my real name Although I am sure it's never been a secret.

I mean I was responding directly to the message above so don't think I was being selective.

Hatch's faults are over-pronunciation and saying things twice (important things usually, not everything), and a bit of hyperbole as far as I can tell.

I said several times in this thread that his pronunciation seems a bit silly sometimes, but I couldn't say it bothers me particularly.

Kirby is factually wrong about what is happening in the race, several times per race. And not forgivable things either IMO - really obvious things that someone with his supposed level of cycling knowledge should not be consistently getting wrong. As a general rule, if I can see the commentator is obviously wrong about something then they must be pretty poor. This is really the crux of my issue with Kirby. The other thing he does is persist with his mistaken view even when his co-commentator is trying to correct him.

And that's not accounting for his verbal diarrhea, which is much more annoying than Hatch occasionally saying things twice or pronouncing someone's name with a bit of gusto. Kirby's at least as hyperbolic as Hatch so they balance out there I think.

womack

blazing_saddles said:

womack said:

Pross said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

As I may have mentioned before out of the lot of them I personally prefer Quigley.

To be honest there is not much value in either Kirby and his nonsense and Hatch and his constant audition for a part in the remake of Allo, Allo.

If Hatch gets up your nose for pronouncing names correctly, you'll just love Jose Been.

Last time I heard her (can't remember the race) she was really struggling with Owain.

Obviously as a Welsh speaker this is evident to me, but to many non Welsh speakers they may think she is pronouncing it correctly and be badly directed.

This was the point I was making about Hatch, a lot of people who are impressed with his "linguistic skills" may not know any better.

Anyway, bring back Quigley and his dossard!

Pross

womack said:

blazing_saddles said:

womack said:

Pross said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

As I may have mentioned before out of the lot of them I personally prefer Quigley.

To be honest there is not much value in either Kirby and his nonsense and Hatch and his constant audition for a part in the remake of Allo, Allo.

If Hatch gets up your nose for pronouncing names correctly, you'll just love Jose Been.

Last time I heard her (can't remember the race) she was really struggling with Owain.

Obviously as a Welsh speaker this is evident to me, but to many non Welsh speakers they may think she is pronouncing it correctly and be badly directed.

This was the point I was making about Hatch, a lot of people who are impressed with his "linguistic skills" may not know any better.

Anyway, bring back Quigley and his dossard!

I'm pretty confident that he is correct in Spanish, Italian and French. I think he's fluent in all of them and has lived in both Italy and Spain. Rick (as a Dutch speaker) has previously said that he gets the Dutch / Flemish pronunciations correct too.

As a Welsh speaker you'll appreciate that there can also be regional variations in pronuciations. I started learning Welsh in South Wales but with a North Wallian teacher who had to keep correcting himself as he was supposed to be teaching us the South Wallian pronunciations. Only a couple of days ago I heard two different Welsh speaking BBC Wales presenters pronounce Pendine differently (the first said Pen-deen and the other Pend-eye-n) so there's always likely to be some discrepancies in any language.

ddraver

Is he supposed to deliberately pronounce them wrong for the Brexiters now..?

RichN95.

One of Hatch’s main selling points was that he isn’t Kirby. But now there’s Dan Lloyd who also isn’t Kirby so I feel his stock has fallen a bit.

Lanterne_Rogue

Hatch seemed to knock off the "repeat stuff twice for emphasis" thing towards the end of the Giro, or at least I noticed it less, so maybe someone had a word?

With regards to Kirby, I think it's wrong to claim he's not professional - you don't keep a gig for so long without being a pro, and he clearly does a fair degree of preparation - but I don't think he's immersed in cycling to the same degree as his colleagues and that shows when he's either under pressure to fill time or the pressure to analyse something quickly. So basically the whole race...

FWIW I don't think he'd get the gig now though - cycling has moved on.

Pross

Lanterne_Rogue said:

Hatch seemed to knock off the "repeat stuff twice for emphasis" thing towards the end of the Giro, or at least I noticed it less, so maybe someone had a word?

With regards to Kirby, I think it's wrong to claim he's not professional - you don't keep a gig for so long without being a pro, and he clearly does a fair degree of preparation - but I don't think he's immersed in cycling to the same degree as his colleagues and that shows when he's either under pressure to fill time or the pressure to analyse something quickly. So basically the whole race...

FWIW I don't think he'd get the gig now though - cycling has moved on.

Nail on head I think. It felt like he was just a commentator they had at ES who had some spare time when they needed back up for Duffers / Harmon.

Listening to him doing the TT coverage today and it was just a constant stream of talk with pretty much anyone in the race being able to "do a ride" and challenge for the win. On TTs he seems incapable of looking at landmarks towards the end and using them as a guage to what sort of time the person is likely to get at the finish. As soon as he sees a comparison time come up he seems to think they are nearly at the line. It doesn't take much to work out that in a normal flat TT someone challenging for the win is going to be through the 1km to go with just over a minute in hand (today I think it was more like 1' 45" due to the climb).

womack

Pross said:

womack said:

blazing_saddles said:

womack said:

Pross said:

womack said:

To be fair whatever CK says some on here are going to find fault.

If Rhwob Atch makes a gaff it never gets mentioned.

He tends to correct himself when he makes one and makes far fewer to start with. If Hatch is guilty of anything it is hyperbole, last year's Giro had 3 or 4 consecutive stages that he called the ride of the century and plenty on here criticised it. Everyone makes errors but CK doesn't seem bothered when he makes one. The level of difference in professionalism between him and all the other GCN / ES commentary team is palpable.

As I may have mentioned before out of the lot of them I personally prefer Quigley.

To be honest there is not much value in either Kirby and his nonsense and Hatch and his constant audition for a part in the remake of Allo, Allo.

If Hatch gets up your nose for pronouncing names correctly, you'll just love Jose Been.

Last time I heard her (can't remember the race) she was really struggling with Owain.

Obviously as a Welsh speaker this is evident to me, but to many non Welsh speakers they may think she is pronouncing it correctly and be badly directed.

This was the point I was making about Hatch, a lot of people who are impressed with his "linguistic skills" may not know any better.

Anyway, bring back Quigley and his dossard!

I'm pretty confident that he is correct in Spanish, Italian and French. I think he's fluent in all of them and has lived in both Italy and Spain. Rick (as a Dutch speaker) has previously said that he gets the Dutch / Flemish pronunciations correct too.

As a Welsh speaker you'll appreciate that there can also be regional variations in pronuciations. I started learning Welsh in South Wales but with a North Wallian teacher who had to keep correcting himself as he was supposed to be teaching us the South Wallian pronunciations. Only a couple of days ago I heard two different Welsh speaking BBC Wales presenters pronounce Pendine differently (the first said Pen-deen and the other Pend-eye-n) so there's always likely to be some discrepancies in any language.

ti'n dal yn dysgu Pross?

You still learning Pross?