Henao withdrawn from racing
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Yellow Peril wrote:rayjay wrote:Usual sort of responses from the same old Sky fan boys club. Ignorant and childish .
But the fact's are the facts and no amount of ignorance or avoidance of the truth by clumsy and childish reply's will alter the FACT that JTL and Heano are 2 Sky Riders for whom the anti doping policy has not worked.
Funny how they never had any bust's when the had Leinder's on the books.
Jesus you're like tinnitus in writing.
No-one wants to engage with you because you are such a polarised tw@t. there can never be meaningful discussion on drug taking with you around because you want to harp on about Sky when most people here don't give a sh!t about them but do give a sh!t about how you manage to pull everything down to some institutional doping conspiracy on their part. I personally don't care that much about Sky.
You were banned and came back and for about a day were sensible now you're off on it again and crying to the mods when people out of frustration take the p!ss. there's stuff to be learned and shared but your interference is complete white noise.
I'm sick of you so from me (and this is not the opinion of the other tolerant members of this forum) just f*ck off.
Don't bother bellyaching to the mods I'm sure they'll pick up on this and I'll be banned. When/if I'm let back hopefully you'll have disappeared or been re-programmed.
Have a good classics season everyone.
YP
I am someone who has a different opinion than you.
I have not let you down,
Those 2 riders who wore the Sky shirt have let you down
That's the truth.
If this was anybody but Sky you would not be so angry and so quick to rally to their defence.
I have not insulted you or resorted to insults nor am I going to. I already got banned for making a yawning gesture.
I have just stated an opinion that a team with a very strong anti doping policy have now got 2 riders under investigation.
I don't want to see you or anyone banned, but I also do not think you can justify the name calling and insults that go on because of a different view.
I'm ok on this sight as long as I agree with the majority ?
EXAMPLE,, iain on another thread Implied that Vaughter's confessed to USADA that he doped back in 2004.
I was interested and willing to change my opinion on Vaughter's if this was true.
I knew that Vaughter's had written an anonymous letter to the new York times in 2006 confessing to doping, anonymous'
So he did not confess to USADA 2004 as implied, he talked about doping and hinted strongly but never confessed.
On mentioning that FACT , tailwind made the comment " here we go again"
I never insulted Iain I just gave out some information relating to the topic in hand.
I don't think the posting the truth should resort to posters insulting me. Go take a look at the thread and see for yourself.
If Froome ever got caught doping then Cycling would take a massive hit .
That is something I don't want to see but we are allowed to have our views an opinion's
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Its like Son of dennis :shock:
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rayjay wrote:On mentioning that FACT , tailwind made the comment " here we go again"
I made that post in response to the silly talk from you with regard to report other posts and with reference to the previous cycle of reported posts and deleted threads“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
rayjay wrote:Some poster's keep going on about how cycling has cleaned itself up yet the team with one of the strongest anti doping policys now have 2 riders and one ex rider all in trouble .
If Sky are going to have a no doping policy then they should at least make sure that their riders are not doping.
It's not working very well.
Perhaps they should starts running tests, consult with the UCI if any anomalies arise and remove the rider from competition until the matter in resolved?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sergio- ... -anomalies“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I hope they are still paying their salary but the damage they have done to his reputation is hard to judge at this point.
His race fitness will suffer although I guess he can treat it like a 2 month altitude camp. He may come back firing like we have never seen beforee. Quintana was back home over winter and flying in San Luis...so much so that he said he was going to taper so he would be ready for later in the season.
I would like to hear what Henao really thinks about this.
The whole thing is very odd to me. I suspect they may well use the results to improve their altitude simulators.
Does anyone have any documentation on:
-what this new altitude test is?
-what specifically Henao is breaching in Sky's eyes?Contador is the Greatest0 -
rayjay, everyone knows that in different circumstances you'd simply be complaining that Sky's anti-doping policy was useless because it hadn't found anything questionable going on.rayjay wrote:Some poster's keep going on about how cycling has cleaned itself up yet the team with one of the strongest anti doping policys now have 2 riders and one ex rider all in trouble .
If Sky are going to have a no doping policy then they should at least make sure that their riders are not doping.
It's not working very well.
Since it's not to your liking, please explain to everyone in the world of cycling how to design and implement a fullproof anti-doping policy which can somehow prove the absence of doping while leaving absolutely no scope for any ambiguity in its results, and of course including means for ensuring the total compliance of all riders with said policy.
Or, you know, just keep making a tit of yourself...0 -
ddraver wrote:
Others = others
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frenchfighter wrote:
Does anyone have any documentation on:
-what this new altitude test is?
-what specifically Henao is breaching in Sky's eyes?
I suspect they're seeing things in the blood markers they don't expect. However, as Richn95 mentioned in the Sports Gene they explain that people who live at altitude in different parts of the world adapt in different ways. So perhaps the way a European would react is different to someone from South America
He's not breaching anything. It's a precaution; If he carried on riding and they were trying to understand the results there would be outcryFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
In addition, what is the word on his cousin? From the same region? If so surely that is a given that he should be included as what could be better than someone who shares some genes and the same environment.Contador is the Greatest0
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Richmond Racer wrote:Its like Son of dennis :shock:
But with more extravagent use of apostrophes
I Also recall you stating that those riders who gave testimony against Armstrong were not under oath
They were under oath and I Posted a link to confirm that.
I was not out to prove you wrong just correcting your mistake. It was not personal.
You don't know me and I don't know you and I can assure you it was not. I don't carry around anger or hate for people I don't know .
I was Just getting the facts right. Not in anyway was I trying to put your opinion down.0 -
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frenchfighter wrote:In addition, what is the word on his cousin? From the same region? If so surely that is a given that he should be included as what could be better than someone who shares some genes and the same environment.
Difficult one, Frenchie
Sebas, a neo-pro, only been here in Europe since Jan. Not the same control set as Sergio, if you think about it, by which I mean the same experiences last year leading up to the winter test(s) in Colombia. Sergio rode in Europe last year from Jan-May, went back to Colombia for Jun and Jul, then rode again in Europe till end-Sep, then back to Colombia till late Jan.
Reading some of the more balanced commentators today (eg Friebe), there's a view that the back and forth between Europe and Colombia for training over long periods at a time, could exacerbate fluctuations.
Plus, pulling a neo in his first 3 months of his pro career when its not his values causing concerns...harsh0 -
frenchfighter wrote:In addition, what is the word on his cousin? From the same region? If so surely that is a given that he should be included as what could be better than someone who shares some genes and the same environment.
Surrrrrely you can't compare someone to their cousin as some kind of baseline if that's what you're getting at? Maybe you can, but it doesn't sound very scientific to me. We share 98% of our Dna with Chimps (some of us even more) does that mean it's worth getting a Chimp in to do tests on too? I know that's a daft example, but I'm not too sure about this 'comparing to a relative' thing. Unless I am missing the point it doesn't stand up to common sense, or at least sounds unfair.0 -
Rayjay is one of the few that made it on to my foe's list. He's just not really worth listening to.
For what its worth it seems that quite a few of the colombians are getting test values similar to this guy ( throwaway statement i know), is it simply because they are training at altitude and the tests kick off because they get differing readings because of the thinner air and the bodies way of adjusting to it? or is there genuinely something more sinister? honest question... I genuinely don't know the answer.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:In addition, what is the word on his cousin? From the same region? If so surely that is a given that he should be included as what could be better than someone who shares some genes and the same environment.
Would be good, I presume he hasnt recorded any anomolous values though so doest need withdrawing from racing.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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philbar72 wrote:Rayjay is one of the few that made it on to my foe's list. He's just not really worth listening to.
For what its worth it seems that quite a few of the colombians are getting test values similar to this guy ( throwaway statement i know), is it simply because they are training at altitude and the tests kick off because they get differing readings because of the thinner air and the bodies way of adjusting to it? or is there genuinely something more sinister? honest question... I genuinely don't know the answer.
There's been a spate of Colombians testing pos for banned substances. But that's a very different thing. Or do you mean something different?0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:frenchfighter wrote:In addition, what is the word on his cousin? From the same region? If so surely that is a given that he should be included as what could be better than someone who shares some genes and the same environment.
Difficult one, Frenchie
Sebas, a neo-pro, only been here in Europe since Jan. Not the same control set as Sergio, if you think about it, by which I mean the same experiences last year leading up to the winter test(s) in Colombia. Sergio rode in Europe last year from Jan-May, went back to Colombia for Jun and Jul, then rode again in Europe till end-Sep, then back to Colombia till late Jan.
Reading some of the more balanced commentators today (eg Friebe), there's a view that the back and forth between Europe and Colombia for training over long periods at a time, could exacerbate fluctuations.
Plus, pulling a neo in his first 3 months of his pro career when its not his values causing concerns...harsh
Agreed, it would be more of a point of improving test results than a gesture of lack of confidence but I suppose it would easily be construed wrongly and would not be in Seb's interests at this point. I suspect that if something turns out against Sergio, he can always ask for Seb to be tested (who I am guessing will agree) to try and show similar 'anomalies'. I am struggling to see what they can penalise him on though that isnt already accounted for in the extensive anti-doping framework.
Will be interested to see what will be written on cycling inquisition about this.Contador is the Greatest0 -
It doesn't bother me much, but this information was proably known to those concerned quote a while ago. Henao was for sure pulled from TA due to this and possibly earlier races.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:It doesn't bother me much, but this information was proably known to those concerned quote a while ago. Henao was for sure pulled from TA due to this and possibly earlier races.
Sky highlighted their concerns to the UCI in Oman - Henao hasn't raced since then.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:Have a good classics season everyone.
YP
Don't go YP!
feltkuota wrote:Before you go.. well said. I've got him on ignore but the function only works when I'm logged in!
That's why I enabled log-in automatically.Correlation is not causation.0 -
So.....
UCI test Henao in October
Sky see results and think 'hang about that doesn't look right'
Sky speak to UCI in Oman with regard to the results
Sky withdraw Henao from racing
Henao's agent talks to Gazetta - "Here, my man is being benched"
Gazetta phone Sky for confirmation
Sky say 'Yup' - Henao's agent goes 'Oh Shoot'
Sky issue press release saying that they have benched Henao and are looking to explain results.
The emphasis is on his living/training at altitude as a explanation
Have I got it?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The reputation point is a good one. He's going to need an industrial stain remover. A grave injustice if the only offence is pumping Colombian blood....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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iainf72 wrote:He's not breaching anything. It's a precaution; If he carried on riding and they were trying to understand the results there would be outcry
Also if he carried on riding or perhaps racing more specifically could this not have some effect on whatever they are trying to monitor? I would think that if they are trying to ascertain some base lines or something then they would want to be able to control quite tightly what he does - training OK, but specific training that wouldn't mess up any tests - also injury resulting from racing (not sure on the risk but I would think there was more risk of injury occurring while racing than training) would mean a spell off the bike which might also mess up any ongoing testing they are doing.
I'm totally speculating here, I don't really know what I'm talking about, I'm just trying to imagine a controlled environment style situation.
I should also read The Sport's Gene.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Macaloon wrote:The reputation point is a good one. He's going to need an industrial stain remover. A grave injustice if the only offence is pumping Colombian blood.
Would be worse if in future the UCI flagged up a passport violation for him
It might sound contrary, but it does seem that the team are behind him...opposite to the JTL situation0 -
frenchfighter wrote:It doesn't bother me much, but this information was proably known to those concerned quote a while ago. Henao was for sure pulled from TA due to this and possibly earlier races.
How can he 'for sure' be pulled because of this when at the same time you claim that the info was only 'probably' known?
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Here is how I see it
SKY’s review sees something that does not look as they would expect. It’s not something obvious enough for the UCI to raise as a confirmed issue and may be so slight that the UCI didn’t even spot it (they have a pool of thousands to screen NOT a pool of 30 after all).
The data cannot initially be explained, but is there. SKY want/need to be able to explain it for 2 reasons; 1) the results may indicate doping or IMHO far more likely 2) SKY and Henao do not want the UCI to spot the anomaly in later tests, raise a formal concern and then be left with no way of explaining the results (particularly in light of JTL).
They have to pull Henao from competition whilst they look for the explanation as if the results turn out to be 1) they are all ****ed and if it turns out to be 2) SKY and Henao will be accused of knowing there was a potential issue and SKY of turning a blind eye by letting Henao race, a PR disaster as shown by the JTL case. There is also the possibility of the location/racing skewing the data.
Whilst I am sure the asylum and rayjay are adamant that the whole issue means that SKY are doping, FACT. I think that ultimately it is the only sensible method of reducing the risks to SKY and Henao.
Looks like management to me.Coach H. (Dont ask me for training advice - 'It's not about the bike')0 -
adr82 wrote:
rayjay, everyone knows that in different circumstances you'd simply be complaining that Sky's anti-doping policy was useless because it hadn't found anything questionable going on.rayjay wrote:Some poster's keep going on about how cycling has cleaned itself up yet the team with one of the strongest anti doping policys now have 2 riders and one ex rider all in trouble .
If Sky are going to have a no doping policy then they should at least make sure that their riders are not doping.
It's not working very well.
Since it's not to your liking, please explain to everyone in the world of cycling how to design and implement a fullproof anti-doping policy which can somehow prove the absence of doping while leaving absolutely no scope for any ambiguity in its results, and of course including means for ensuring the total compliance of all riders with said policy.
Or, you know, just keep making a tit of yourself...
I post that Sky's anti doping policy does not look very good right now and I get a ton of abuse from obvious Sky fans.
Like I said , I am not going to resort to insults and I think that has made some of you like adr82 above even more wound up.
Me, Joelsim, FF, in-fact anyone who post's anything that does not fit into the Sky are clean and cycling is clean way of thinking get's abuse. I have checked some of the threads , It's true.
Your like a bunch of fanatical religious zealots. Only your view is right and anyone who does not think your way or proves us wrong , which I have done on many occasion feels the wrath of your insults
Take a look at what I posted then take a look at the responses.
Completely over the top and really quite nasty.
What a shame that you cannot behave like adults and reply like adults, instead your show your prejudice and
Fanatical views and would respond with insults
I am prepared to accept an apology.0
