Scottish independence - The real issue
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There's an easy way to sort this without a referendum, just Frack along the border, if it does cause earthquakes and the scotch people float off towards Iceland, fair enough you can have your independence, if not, you can stay with us0
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The Bouncer solution! Good idea.Uncompromising extremist0
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coulddobetter wrote:We're doomed ........look what happened at the cycling world championship s without Chris Hoy.
Scotland may even have it's own team as soon as the Rio 2016 Olympics if there's a yes vote.
Explained here.... http://spokeydokeyblog.com/2014/03/08/s ... ling-team/0 -
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I think everyone will be tbh, it's such a massive change that it's always going to be a hard sell. They're doing well mind, very close in the polls which is kind of crazy. Thing is, even if it turns out to be a no vote, if you get even a large minority of the population voting for independence that's a massive condemnation of how things are now, obviously certain people'll want to treat it as a vote for the status quo but it's really not. I mean, more people are going to vote for independence, than voted for David Cameron. That's not just "I don't like your party", it's "I don't like this country"Uncompromising extremist0
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I think there would be positives and negatives, but from what I can tell (which is literally whatever the news tells me) is that it doesnt seem very well thought out!
British politics is a joke anyway.0 -
My research for that blog piece showed me there's plenty of valid information out there, but lots of 'noise' too. I've been trying to source information from the source, rather than anybody's interpretation of it, I've hopefully got a much better idea of what's actually going on now, but took some time. I tend not to trust anybody who's a career politician, their facts are warped out of recognition.0
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Northwind wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:Misconceptions - you think it's your oil, it's not. You might think you're entitled to it because its closer to you but that's different.
No, it is legally our oil- nobody seriously disputes this, the law of territorial waters and economic exclusivity is long established. TBH I don't think you have the slightest clue what you're talking about, if you'd even read this thread you'd know better than this.
Not being eminent in the field, I could be wrong, but I understood that the oil rights were sold to the oil companies by the UK, on the understanding that they develop the fields. The UK then taxes what is produced.0 -
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I wonder what the budget will be for Scottish Cycling in comparison to British Cycling?SpokeyDokeyBlog wrote:coulddobetter wrote:We're doomed ........look what happened at the cycling world championship s without Chris Hoy.
Scotland may even have it's own team as soon as the Rio 2016 Olympics if there's a yes vote.
Explained here.... http://spokeydokeyblog.com/2014/03/08/s ... ling-team/You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
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If those figures are for real then its brown trouser time for Salmond.Fig rolls: proof that god loves cyclists and that she wants us to do another lap0 -
Yep, its running out and as some people think its the reason why Scotland will be rich, they're in for a nasty surprise..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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As long as they've got enough to deep fry the Mars bars I don't see a problem.I don't do smileys.
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Personally I am enjoying the fact that the last 5 years becomes "historical" and this year's figures by themselves become a "trend". Oh and the OBR's stats are to be taken as gospel even though they got it completely wrong 2 years ago. (in fact they argue that you should trust the OBR's stats BECAUSE they got it completely wrong last time) And the tax regime deters investment- oh, it's at a record high? Classic Scotsman.Uncompromising extremist0
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To be fair thats nothing to do with Scottish independence and everything to do with Shells incompetence. Shell is a company in decline and has been for a while they would probably make a loss if they found a machine that could spin gold out of straw.Fig rolls: proof that god loves cyclists and that she wants us to do another lap0
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Scottish independance??!! They are f*cking mad, I've lived in Scotland for near 6 year now and independance would just ruin the place, my fiance is scottish and all her lot say the same, they can't expect to have the economy from oil and tourism! Tax would be huge0
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Jimbob_no5 wrote:Scottish independance??!! They are f*cking mad, I've lived in Scotland for near 6 year now and independance would just ruin the place, my fiance is scottish and all her lot say the same, they can't expect to have the economy from oil and tourism! Tax would be huge
The only thing that pisses me off in this debate is when folk say Scotland wouldn't have the ability to be independent.
From what you've seen in Scotland in your "6 year" in the country, what exactly makes you think Scotland would be ruined without having Westminster rule?0 -
What worries me is this thread still has months to run.0
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What is Scottish Independence?
A new brand of whiskey?0 -
guinea wrote:Jimbob_no5 wrote:Scottish independance??!! They are f*cking mad, I've lived in Scotland for near 6 year now and independance would just ruin the place, my fiance is scottish and all her lot say the same, they can't expect to have the economy from oil and tourism! Tax would be huge
The only thing that pisses me off in this debate is when folk say Scotland wouldn't have the ability to be independent.
From what you've seen in Scotland in your "6 year" in the country, what exactly makes you think Scotland would be ruined without having Westminster rule?
My Brother who is Scottish, lived and worked in Scotland for 30+years and came to same conclusion, Jimbob must just be quicker.
Rule of Westminster lol you do realise Scotland has a devolved Parliment, Westminster only has a tiny influence on Scotish domestic policy with exemptions to cover workers rights, helath choice in matters of national significance, abortion policy, broadcasting standards, all high level stuff and power of Foreign Policy for the UK as a whole.
Evil westminster protecting the rights of scottish workers :roll:
At present Scotland has best of both worlds independant parlimentary juristiction, tax setting, planning, education, legal system and the benefits of the Union, currency, defence, budget etc etc
The rise of the SNP co incided with the death of the labour movement, New Labour not as much support and which self respecting scotsman would vote tory, Lib dem pish
So Salmond saw his chance and took it, a rushed ill concieved plan of independance which doesnt quite work when you look at it in detail, thats if you can find the detail at all. Since all this kicked off his true nature is becoming apparent and more people are seeing that perhaps westminster isnt as evil as the retohric, after all isnt it Westminster that suggested devo plus sonething being denied the people of scotland by the snp doh
why dont you show us how an independant scotland would work?0 -
Pesky Jones wrote:What is Scottish Independence?
A new brand of whiskey?
you you you ..............
that spelling better be a wind up
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we can't set all taxes, all our money goes south and we get some back and legal system was different before devolution.
the last couple of Westminster goverments have been crap for 95% of the country. You have to ask yourself why Westminster wants to keep Scotland?mak3m wrote:
My Brother who is Scottish, lived and worked in Scotland for 30+years and came to same conclusion, Jimbob must just be quicker.
Rule of Westminster lol you do realise Scotland has a devolved Parliment, Westminster only has a tiny influence on Scotish domestic policy with exemptions to cover workers rights, helath choice in matters of national significance, abortion policy, broadcasting standards, all high level stuff and power of Foreign Policy for the UK as a whole.
Evil westminster protecting the rights of scottish workers :roll:
At present Scotland has best of both worlds independant parlimentary juristiction, tax setting, planning, education, legal system and the benefits of the Union, currency, defence, budget etc etc
The rise of the SNP co incided with the death of the labour movement, New Labour not as much support and which self respecting scotsman would vote tory, Lib dem pish
So Salmond saw his chance and took it, a rushed ill concieved plan of independance which doesnt quite work when you look at it in detail, thats if you can find the detail at all. Since all this kicked off his true nature is becoming apparent and more people are seeing that perhaps westminster isnt as evil as the retohric, after all isnt it Westminster that suggested devo plus sonething being denied the people of scotland by the snp doh
why dont you show us how an independant scotland would work?0 -
No if you dont like a government you vote for a new one, you dont disband it and try something completley different which cannot supply a fraction of what the previous system could.0
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mak3m wrote:No if you dont like a government you vote for a new one, you dont disband it and try something completley different which cannot supply a fraction of what the previous system could.
can't vote for a new one we either get labour or a conservative (plus lib dems) government in Westminster. there is one Scottish conservative MP at Westminster. we as a country don't want a conservative government but we have no choice in the matter under the current political union.0 -
You realise that this probably applies to Wales and England too?POAH wrote:can't vote for a new one we either get labour or a conservative (plus lib dems) government in Westminster. there is one Scottish conservative MP at Westminster. we as a country don't want a conservative government but we have no choice in the matter under the current political union.It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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thekickingmule wrote:
You realise that this probably applies to Wales and England too?POAH wrote:can't vote for a new one we either get labour or a conservative (plus lib dems) government in Westminster. there is one Scottish conservative MP at Westminster. we as a country don't want a conservative government but we have no choice in the matter under the current political union.
not England - they have more conservative MP's, in face they should really want Scotland to go it alone as they would gain a huge majority with out us. Wales don't give a crap about being independent from the UK, its not the same as the feeling in Scotland.0 -
:roll: I was referring to your last sentence of 'we as a country....' Due to the way the boundaries are divided, it's very possible (and surveys show it as 'fact') that the majority don't want conservative, however due to the way the voting system works and boundaries, the conservatives got it. Whether this is right or wrong, I don't care.POAH wrote:thekickingmule wrote:
You realise that this probably applies to Wales and England too?POAH wrote:can't vote for a new one we either get labour or a conservative (plus lib dems) government in Westminster. there is one Scottish conservative MP at Westminster. we as a country don't want a conservative government but we have no choice in the matter under the current political union.
not England - they have more conservative MP's, in face they should really want Scotland to go it alone as they would gain a huge majority with out us. Wales don't give a crap about being independent from the UK, its not the same as the feeling in Scotland.
No, the Conservatives don't want you to be independant, because economically it is a bad move. Regardless of the future being bright and rosy for everyone (nice tinted glasses there), the immediate future doesn't bode well, and the UK (or former UK) would lose a lot of power in the world. This wouldn't be good for out little island.
To be honest, I haven't made much sense there, I admit. My mind is on lots of things right now, but it's the Crud, so Fark it!It takes as much courage to have tried and failed as it does to have tried and succeeded.
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