The whatever footie that's going on (with actual fans) thread

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

Yes in comparison to Bourinho , Wenger has won very little. But the style (or lack of ) in which Chelsea play under Bourinho is not one I covet, even with the success it brings.

Then I might be jealous of Chelsea. Until then I just see you as the Sleight on the Beautiful game your are.

And long may it continue

cornerblock

tim wand wrote:

Cornerblock wrote:

Yes that Wenger fella has proved himself to be a really great tactician. Too much nonsense spouted by a lot of bitter people. When the names are engraved onto trophies I'm pretty sure it doesn't mention how entertaining the neutrals felt the winners were. And besides, who gives a ****? Certainly not the Arsenal fans I know who watched their own team bore their way to success under George Graham. Just the JCL's and the jealous types it would seem.

Talksport the other afternoon was going on about Simeone, after the dreadful tie between Real and Atletico.
A Newcastle fan came on and when asked stated he would not have Simeone as a Manager because the style and brand of football he plays is not entertaining or enjoyable to watch. I must say I agree.

Yes in comparison to Bourinho , Wenger has won very little. But the style (or lack of ) in which Chelsea play under Bourinho is not one I covet, even with the success it brings.

Wenger's Invincibles didn't play with 10 men behind the ball on the edge of their own box. When Chelsea have gone a whole season undefeated, and won with the free flowing football I witnessed for over a decade at Highbury and the Emirates. Then I might be jealous of Chelsea. Until then I just see you as the Sleight on the Beautiful game your are.

Remember No ones second team is Chelsea ( except Stevo because he's actually a Boro fan). Its like Shagging a Robot.

Who cares who has Chelsea as their second team? Who even has a second team? I certainly don't. You seem pretty knowledgeable about the game Tim, do you seriously think that Chelsea play with 10 men on the edge of their own box? Being able to defend as a team and having hard working players who defend their goal with real determination is as much a part of the game as attacking. All very well playing attacking football and scoring lots of goals but if they are flying in at the other end then what? You end up like a Newcastle fan, harking on about Keegan's great entertainers who won diddly squat.

I'm sure I'm like most fans who actually go to watch their team, first I want to win, if it is a cracking game too then that's a bonus. Football was not created for the armchair fan or the Sky neutral fan sitting in a pub, I could not care less what they think of the 'entertainment', as long as I leave the ground having seen my team win then it's job done.

As for the Invincibles, I think Arsene might have dined out on that long enough now! I much prefer supporting the club that hold the record for most goals scored in a season and most points in a season. All very well staying unbeaten but who wants to watch that many boring draws?

tim_wand

Fair Comment CB , Your right there is and should be no such thing as a Second Team ( I was just Baiting Stevo ).

The Ten men behind the ball comment was more aimed at Simeone and what a bore that game was.
Chelsea played some breath taking football at the start of the season, and Hazard has to be the player of the year. ( Although I hope Alexis puts in a performance for that tomorrow ).

I still hold by the fact though, That when your paying near on £50 a pop to go and watch the top teams, I d rather watch Arsenal V Man City. Then Arsenal V Chelsea ( maybe that's because I know we ll get the Win)

I respect decent defending. I ve played Centre back for near on 30 years (including a spell with Bryn Gunn a European Cup Winner at Forest ). Saachi's AC Milan side with Baresi and Maldini was one of my favourites (not that I have a second team of course!!!)

turbotommy

Would you watch morinho's Chelsea vs George Graham's arsenal 38 times a year if you won a trophy at the end of it? :shock: :shock: :shock:

In other news, QPR look finished...

tim_wand

TurboTommy wrote:

Would you watch morinho's Chelsea vs George Graham's arsenal 38 times a year if you won a trophy at the end of it? :shock: :shock: :shock:

In other news, QPR look finished...

Jesus no, It would be like a Hitler Youth Convention. all those arms in the air!!!!!!!!
Cant believe Leicesters form , Father in law is a season ticket holder . Used to ask me if I wanted to go with him , now he just mugs me off.

Stevo_666

Boring boring Arsenal - one shot on target in the whole match

tim_wand

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tim_wand

Ref saved us! He had absolutely no Balls! Defo Penalty Ospina on Oscar, Rest 50/50.

I d like to say I cant believe you played 45 minutes with no one up top! but not surprised at all. We still let you cut through us with no CF on the pitch.

Bit of a MEH! game from both sides to be honest. The way Terry celebrated the 0-0 result showed the mentality Chelsea arrived with.

10 point lead I would have gone at us like a tramp on chips, Still if that's the way you want to win a championship , I m hardly qualified as a Gooner to comment.

I d rather be a specialist in failure than an expert in insomnia

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

Ref saved us! He had absolutely no Balls! Defo Penalty Ospina on Oscar, Rest 50/50.

I d like to say I cant believe you played 45 minutes with no one up top! but not surprised at all. We still let you cut through us with no CF on the pitch.

Bit of a MEH! game from both sides to be honest. The way Terry celebrated the 0-0 result showed the mentality Chelsea arrived with.

10 point lead I would have gone at us like a tramp on chips, Still if that's the way you want to win a championship , I m hardly qualified as a Gooner to comment.

I d rather be a specialist in failure than an expert in insomnia

Agree you were lucky we didn't get the penalty. But that's life.

Why did Terry celebrate like that? Because Chelsea's mission was to **** your last realistic chance of a late title charge. Mission accomplished We didn't need to win so no point risking it.

tim_wand

We didn't need to win so no point risking it.

10 point lead some risk you would have been taking there!!!!!!!!

I have something to say " It is better to burn out than to fade away"

Pragmatic football, Id pay my money to watch that all day NOT!!!!

cornerblock

One shot on target at home! As opposed to three for the away team. Only one team being pragmatic. If Arsene is ever to get one over on Jose then he really needs to let his teams off of the leash a bit more. And how very classy of the Arsenal fans booing Fabregas, a player who gave so much to their club. Compare that with the reception Mata got last week playing for Man U against Chelsea.

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

I have something to say " It is better to burn out than to fade away"

So do I: "It is better to lift the Premier League trophy at the end of the season than to be an also ran"....

I still don't quite get how having the most points, the best goal difference, second highest goals scored and being top of the league from start to finish equates to 'fading away'?

Stevo_666

And it's not just me that thinks Arsenal are boring.



He knows how to rile Arsene

pinno

I'm not going to stop supporting Arsenal whatever happens. Even relegation to the Conference wouldn't stop me. Chelsea had years of mediocrity and once Morinho gets bored and falls out with his mistress Abramovic, you'll be back to management lottery and uncertainty.
Wenger has managed to consistently keep Arsenal near the top of the table for the duration of his tenure, never overspending, never putting the club into financial difficulty. His philosophy may be flawed but the beautiful game remains at the centre. It is little wonder Barca did not take him on as a manager. They want to play the beautiful game and win.
Whilst he fully understands how to motivate and is tactically astute, Mo is only interested in success, not football. I thoroughly believe this because he can be so dispassionate - he likes the game but he loves the success, the limelight, being ambiguous, the press conferences, always behaving like a boy at his own birthday party. Football is the perfect vehicle to exhibit his intelligence (and narcissism). Interesting character. The game would not be the same if he wasn't around.

He would have been successful at anything he did.

...and anyway, apart from Roman A, there is not a single Chelsea fan that is responsible for his appointment (just like any other manager) so instead of acting like a bunch of MU supporters, why don't Chelsea supporters display some magnanimity and bless your luck that Morinho is in charge of your club (for now)?

Stevo_666

Not sure how you can say he's not interested in football when he is the manager of a football team :?:

pinno

I said:

"Whilst he fully understands how to motivate and is tactically astute, Mo is only interested in success, not football. I thoroughly believe this because he can be so dispassionate - he likes the game but he loves the success, the limelight, being ambiguous, the press conferences, always behaving like a boy at his own birthday party. Football is the perfect vehicle to exhibit his intelligence (and narcissism). "

Pay attention.

Post match interview with Morinho

Stevo_666

pinarello001 wrote:

I said:

" Mo is only interested in success, not football. I thoroughly believe this ..."

Pay attention.

I did

pinno

Stevo 666 wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

I said:

" Mo is only interested in success, not football. I thoroughly believe this ..."

Pay attention.

I did

Being so blue, I guess you can't take a step back and look at Morinho? I'm sure I can get you a poster for your wall

I did also say that I thought he would be successful at anything he did, he is that sort of character.

tim_wand

Any one who Booed Fabregas at the Emirates , is an Idiot who has no appreciation of a great player no matter the shirt on his back.

Its a bit like starting a 10 page banter fest with a Citeee fan over fat Frank.

Fabregas is and remains one of my favourite players and the fact that he's not wearing an Arsenal shirt this season is just one more bewildering decision by Wenger that Bourinho has advantaged from. Because to be a Blue certainly wasn't Cescs first choice!

Stevo_666

pinarello001 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

pinarello001 wrote:

I said:

" Mo is only interested in success, not football. I thoroughly believe this ..."

Pay attention.

I did

Being so blue, I guess you can't take a step back and look at Morinho? I'm sure I can get you a poster for your wall

I did also say that I thought he would be successful at anything he did, he is that sort of character.

When someone gets the results you can forgive a few idiosyncrasies Fergie was hardly a perfect human being but I don't recall Man U fans having a problem with that.

Agree he'd probably be successful at whatever he chose to do, although I prefer it if he sticks to getting the better of Arsenal. Here are a few non-boring stats (from the Chelsea perspective) :

"Arsenal's misery against Chelsea in stats
Arsenal have won just two of their last 13 league clashes with Chelsea (D3 L8).

Chelsea have kept five clean sheets in a row against Arsenal in all competitions.

Arsenal have gone eight hours and two minutes without scoring against Chelsea (all competitions).

Arsenal recorded one shot on target in their two league fixtures combined against Chelsea this season."

turbotommy

What a season John Terry has had. Considering he looked totally shot a couple of years at ago too. What do people think morinho is planning for life after Terry retires? Personally I think Cahill struggles some without Terry directing him but I don't watch them every week

tim_wand

If not winning the title in 10 years is Boring, then Chelsea must be at least half has boring.

I don't suppose that can be true though because of the totally thrilling way they won the Champions League :P

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

If not winning the title in 10 years is Boring, then Chelsea must be at least half has boring.

So if we win the title in a couple of weeks, the day afterwards we'll be several thousand times more interesting than Arsenal

tim wand wrote:

I don't suppose that can be true though because of the totally thrilling way they won the Champions League :P

At least we've won it

cornerblock

Hilarious the bleating of some Arsenal fans. Another year goes by without a real sniff at the title and they can't hack it. All very well saying that Chelsea with a 10 point cushion should have gone all out attack away from home. Why? One could just as well say that Arsenal knowing that only a win would maintain any realistic chance of catching Chelsea should have thrown caution to the wind and gone for it. I mean come on, 1 shot on target at home!! And they have the cheek to call other teams boring.

Perhaps if they were not so preoccupied with avoiding defeat then they might just have got more from the game. I mean even we, the so called boring team got 3 efforts on target. And it may well have been more but for the three cynical fouls on our attacking players. Honestly you try and attack and they just pull you back!

I seem to recall Arsenal getting praised to the hilt for their performance at the Etihad earlier in the season. Finally beating a big rival, 'they've come of age at last' some said. It was a performance that had all the qualities of a Mourinho side. Not many Arsenal cried boring that day.

tim_wand

seem to recall Arsenal getting praised to the hilt for their performance at the Etihad earlier in the season. Finally beating a big rival, 'they've come of age at last' some said. It was a performance that had all the qualities of a Mourinho side. Not many Arsenal cried boring that day.

Yep playing away from home against the premiership champions ( can I just remind you that your not that yet despite Jon Terrys spontaneous ejaculations) and Scoring 2 goals.

I didn't call my team Boring that day. and I certainly didn't consider the performance Mourinhoesque.
If theres anything on a game, your lot play like Italians, you set out to not loose rather than to win and for a team with so much talent and ability , its depressing to watch. Winning without style might get you the results, but its never going to get you any plaudits.

One of the reasons I lost interest in England internationals. was the thought that if ever we did win anything with Terry and Cole in the team, then I would have been loathed to hear the calls for them to be Knighted like Charlton, Moore of Hurst! In fact I would have handed my medals back in.

Terry is sub human scum ( and I ve witnessed his class first hand)

Stevo_666

tim wand wrote:

Winning without style might get you the results, but its never going to get you any plaudits.

tlw1

Stevo 666 wrote:

tim wand wrote:

Winning without style might get you the results, but its never going to get you any plaudits.

I would like a win without style

Stevo_666

matthew h wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

tim wand wrote:

I would like a win without style

There may be one on the 10th May. Just depends whose it is

Stevo_666

BTW I've just found the Arsenal fans' guide to analysing a game that didn't go your way.

Did the other team play better? Y/N
Did they play defensively? Y/N

Y & Y = That team is boring.
N & Y = That team is terrible and got lucky.
N & N = That team is reckless and got lucky.
Y & N = That team is rich with oil money.

cornerblock

I wonder if Brendan Rodgers ever regrets the rubbish he spouts? Easy to defend eh Brendan?