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Used coffee grounds and sonic deterrent seem to be doing the trick for me. Still cannot understand why they cannot be kept indoors though.- - - - - - - - - -
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Do you remember the film Gremlins? Pretty much the same reasons.DesWeller wrote:Used coffee grounds and sonic deterrent seem to be doing the trick for me. Still cannot understand why they cannot be kept indoors though.0 -
Because they are outdoor animals :roll: The garlic-based stuff that I've used to keep the neighbouring moggies from the more delicate plants has been pretty effective, but the best way to keep out other cats is to get your own (well toilet trained, neutered but still suitably intimidating) cat.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Dogs are also outdoor animals but they're not permitted to roam unsupervised. Why not stick a collar and lead on your cat?- - - - - - - - - -
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Because dogs can be dangerous, whereas cats are at worst just a nuisance.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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As far as I know, if owners were to train their cat to use a litter tray and get it neutered, then a large amount of the gripes from non cat owners would be addressed.
But it seems most cat owners don't seem to understand (care about) their neighbours objections to cleaning up anothers sh!t.0 -
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Do you remember the film Gremlins? Pretty much the same reasons.DesWeller wrote:Used coffee grounds and sonic deterrent seem to be doing the trick for me. Still cannot understand why they cannot be kept indoors though.
My neighbour has a house cat, the only place i've ever seen it is in the top floor window.0 -
Frankly I have never seen any point to cats or cat 'ownership'.
I have Jehovies and the like coming to my location. Just like cats they are pests but at least they don't $h1t in my garden etc. Both should be destroyed at birth. I propose a nationwide cull on both species.0 -
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Just watched 2 cats in my back garden go through the ritual of asserting dominance. Lot of posturing and some yowls but no fur flying. Quite fascinating how they resolve their disputes.0
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rjsterry wrote:Because they are outdoor animals :roll: The garlic-based stuff that I've used to keep the neighbouring moggies from the more delicate plants has been pretty effective, but the best way to keep out other cats is to get your own (well toilet trained, neutered but still suitably intimidating) cat.
Why don't you try horse shite, someone complained about the stuff being all over the roads, maybe you could scrape it up and shovel it around your petunia's, bit like using lion shite
"Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity"
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Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:DesWeller wrote:Dogs are also outdoor animals but they're not permitted to roam unsupervised. Why not stick a collar and lead on your cat?
Try it. Let me know how you get on, taking your cat for a drag.
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DesWeller wrote:Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:DesWeller wrote:Dogs are also outdoor animals but they're not permitted to roam unsupervised. Why not stick a collar and lead on your cat?
Try it. Let me know how you get on, taking your cat for a drag.
That would be hilarious. At the very least you'd give all your neighbours a good laugh.
When our cat was younger, we tried a harness on him, with a view to taking him for walks. Apparently some Maine Coons take to that.
Getting the harness on was like going into battle with a whirling mass of teeth and claws. Once it was on, and we had tended to our wounds, we could drag the cat across the wooden floor listening to his claws scraping the floor to our hearts' content.
There seemed little point in trying the same thing outside.
He's now much too big for a harness.0 -
Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:DesWeller wrote:Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:DesWeller wrote:Dogs are also outdoor animals but they're not permitted to roam unsupervised. Why not stick a collar and lead on your cat?
Try it. Let me know how you get on, taking your cat for a drag.
That would be hilarious. At the very least you'd give all your neighbours a good laugh.
When our cat was younger, we tried a harness on him, with a view to taking him for walks. Apparently some Maine Coons take to that.
Getting the harness on was like going into battle with a whirling mass of teeth and claws. Once it was on, and we had tended to our wounds, we could drag the cat across the wooden floor listening to his claws scraping the floor to our hearts' content.
There seemed little point in trying the same thing outside.
He's now much too big for a harness.
It sounds to me like you just didn't work hard enough on training when he was a kitten.
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DesWeller wrote:Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:DesWeller wrote:Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:DesWeller wrote:Dogs are also outdoor animals but they're not permitted to roam unsupervised. Why not stick a collar and lead on your cat?
Try it. Let me know how you get on, taking your cat for a drag.
That would be hilarious. At the very least you'd give all your neighbours a good laugh.
When our cat was younger, we tried a harness on him, with a view to taking him for walks. Apparently some Maine Coons take to that.
Getting the harness on was like going into battle with a whirling mass of teeth and claws. Once it was on, and we had tended to our wounds, we could drag the cat across the wooden floor listening to his claws scraping the floor to our hearts' content.
There seemed little point in trying the same thing outside.
He's now much too big for a harness.
It sounds to me like you just didn't work hard enough on training when he was a kitten.
That's what you'd get told if he was a dog, anyway.
That may very well be true. However, we have been thwarted on the training front by the fact that he doesn't like *any* so-called cat treats. Zero. Nothing. Nada . Zip. So it has always been completely impossible to bribe him into particular behaviour with the reward of food.0 -
We tried harnesses on the cats when they were v small, and they were ok with wearing them until either they wanted to move, or decided they didn't want to wear them. You'd be surprised at how flexible cats can be when it comes to wriggling out of something that looks like a cat-bra. And you don't so much walk them on a lead as drag them along for a few yards until whichever end of the lead gets fed up with it first. Ours come & go as they please, they use our flower bed as their bog, are neutered so won't produce another squadron of cats every year, and only appear at feeding time or when OH arrives. Suits me.0
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merkin wrote:As far as I know, if owners were to train their cat to use a litter tray and get it neutered, then a large amount of the gripes from non cat owners would be addressed.
But it seems most cat owners don't seem to understand (care about) their neighbours objections to cleaning up anothers sh!t.
No argument with that. Mind you there are plenty of owners of all kinds of animal that don't know how to/can't be bothered to look after them properly. Some people just shouldn't keep pets/livestock.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Maine Coons are not domestic cats. They are small lions...."If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."
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rjsterry wrote:noodles71 wrote:rjsterry wrote:There's not actually any evidence that domestic cats have a noticeable effect on local wildlife.
http://www.rspb.org.uk/advice/gardening/unwantedvisitors/cats/birddeclines.aspx
The problem is however when they give up living in houses and live on the streets or go feral. A feral cat is devastating to the environment and elimination by any means possible as quick as possible desirable. It only takes a couple of generations of being feral and a constant food source and little moggie becomes little frankenstein.
Devastating? Give over. Have you got anything to back that statement up? I can see that they might be a problem in a non-native habitat (much like many other European animals introduced into other parts of the world)
Where I grew up (Australia) they have and are continuing to wipe out native species. If you think that cats don't cause problems and want proof you just have to refer to the federal legislation or many other studies and action plans.
I don't think I can post links here but google the following keywords;
Legislation: environment australia threat abatement plan cats 2008
Studies: csiro feral cats
A quote from the RSPCA in Australia;
"Feral cats represent a threat to over 110 species in Australia, more than any other exotic animal or
plant (Coutts-Smith et al, 2007). This threat is usually through predation but can include disease
spread and competition (Denny & Dickman, 2010). This threat is recognised by the Commonwealth
Government under its Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 and by some
state legislation, for example, the Victorian Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988. Cats can predate
on small to medium sized mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and insects. Cats are on the list of
the 100 worst invasive species globally (Lowe et al, 2000 in Longcore et al., 2009)."
You've all seen lovely pictures of birds and small mammals that can be found in Australia. I know from personal experience you won't find any in your own backyard if you have a cat around. If you decide to keep or a neighbour moves in with a cat then the wildlife moves out or is eaten.0 -
Never had any problems with cats in my garden. Not since we got that pet honey badger anyways.Nobody told me we had a communication problem0
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noodles71 wrote:rjsterry wrote:noodles71 wrote:rjsterry wrote:There's not actually any evidence that domestic cats have a noticeable effect on local wildlife.
http://www.rspb.org.uk/advice/gardening/unwantedvisitors/cats/birddeclines.aspx
The problem is however when they give up living in houses and live on the streets or go feral. A feral cat is devastating to the environment and elimination by any means possible as quick as possible desirable. It only takes a couple of generations of being feral and a constant food source and little moggie becomes little frankenstein.
Devastating? Give over. Have you got anything to back that statement up? I can see that they might be a problem in a non-native habitat (much like many other European animals introduced into other parts of the world)
Where I grew up (Australia) they have and are continuing to wipe out native species. If you think that cats don't cause problems and want proof you just have to refer to the federal legislation or many other studies and action plans.
I don't think I can post links here but google the following keywords;
Legislation: environment australia threat abatement plan cats 2008
Studies: csiro feral cats
A quote from the RSPCA in Australia;
"Feral cats represent a threat to over 110 species in Australia, more than any other exotic animal or
plant (Coutts-Smith et al, 2007). This threat is usually through predation but can include disease
spread and competition (Denny & Dickman, 2010). This threat is recognised by the Commonwealth
Government under its Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 and by some
state legislation, for example, the Victorian Flora and Fauna Guarantee Act 1988. Cats can predate
on small to medium sized mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and insects. Cats are on the list of
the 100 worst invasive species globally (Lowe et al, 2000 in Longcore et al., 2009)."
You've all seen lovely pictures of birds and small mammals that can be found in Australia. I know from personal experience you won't find any in your own backyard if you have a cat around. If you decide to keep or a neighbour moves in with a cat then the wildlife moves out or is eaten.
I thought you might have meant NZ, but Australia was my second guess. I'm quite prepared to accept that in a non-native environment cats (or rabbits, or rats, or any other European animal, including people) can have a devastating effect on local wildlife and inhabitants. As for the UK, where cats have existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, they're just part of the scenery.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Maybe shortcuts is Eric Pickles incognito? Same level of empathy and intelligence.
Shortcuts: F U sideways with a d-lock.0 -
Why thank you madam. :shock:jacknorell wrote:Maybe shortcuts is Eric Pickles incognito? Same level of empathy and intelligence.
Shortcuts: F U sideways with a d-lock.0
