Tesco and Asda remove fancy dress costumes

arran77

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

arran77 wrote:

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

Mikey23 wrote:

asbergers

Is that like Aspergers?

You work in this area, you say?

You say that picking up errors in the minutest of details is a sign of this mental health malarkey Mikey23

G66 needs a session on the shrinks couch then :P

I wondered who would be the first clot to think that would be a clever card to play. Congratulations. You win the prize.

A professed health worker misdescribing one of the more common mental health disorders is hardly the "minutest" of details.

I bet you'd be really happy you hear your GP tell you that he suspected you had a fructune of your clevicula, wouldn't you?

Brilliant, what's my prize, can I have one of those nutcase costumes with a meat cleaver from Asda :P

seanoconn

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

arran77 wrote:

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

Mikey23 wrote:

asbergers

Is that like Aspergers?

You work in this area, you say?

You say that picking up errors in the minutest of details is a sign of this mental health malarkey Mikey23

G66 needs a session on the shrinks couch then :P

I wondered who would be the first clot to think that would be a clever card to play. Congratulations. You win the prize.

A professed health worker misdescribing one of the more common mental health disorders is hardly the "minutest" of details.

I bet you'd be really happy you hear your GP tell you that he suspected you had a fructune of your clevicula, wouldn't you?

Making fun of a dyslexic mental health worker is pretty low Greg.

Inside Broadmoor, channel 5 now.

arran77

seanoconn wrote:

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

arran77 wrote:

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

Mikey23 wrote:

asbergers

Is that like Aspergers?

You work in this area, you say?

You say that picking up errors in the minutest of details is a sign of this mental health malarkey Mikey23

G66 needs a session on the shrinks couch then :P

I wondered who would be the first clot to think that would be a clever card to play. Congratulations. You win the prize.

A professed health worker misdescribing one of the more common mental health disorders is hardly the "minutest" of details.

I bet you'd be really happy you hear your GP tell you that he suspected you had a fructune of your clevicula, wouldn't you?

Making fun of a dyslexic mental health worker is pretty low Greg.

Inside Broadmoor, channel 5 now.

Good shout Sean, just tuned in, that place isn't far from me here, you can hear the escape alarm being tested each Monday at 10am, if you hear it at any other time one of the fruits has got out :shock:

arran77

I can't believe that, when Broadmoor first opened, men could end up in there for masturbating :shock:

Stevo_666

arran77 wrote:

Brilliant, what's my prize, can I have one of those nutcase costumes with a meat cleaver from Asda :P

daviesee

team47b wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Well at least there was 3 -5 posts of sensible discussion until the cake stop brigade degenerated things back into pathetic insults and pointless comments. I'm out.

page 5

My bad. :oops:

Given the other points made earlier maybe I should head over to Vegas. I could drive once I get there. Have I said that I am a very good driver?

Mikey23

Time for my evening meds, spelling corrections and back to my quiet cell .... Nighty night peeps

team47b

daviesee wrote:

Given the other points made earlier maybe I should head over to Vegas. I could drive once I get there. Have I said that I am a very good driver?

I've never been there but I hear it's a bit like Dubai...

BillyMansell

Greg66 Tri v2.0 wrote:

A professed health worker misdescribing one of the more common mental health disorders is hardly the "minutest" of details.

Except he didn't misdescribe it but mIsspelt it by one letter, although you have misdescribed it as a disorder as it is no longer recognised as such and has been declassified out of the DSM-V.

rick_chasey

I imagine the charity objection is more about trying to remove the association of mental health institutions with scary murderers rather than being 'offended'. If as a charity you are working against mental health stigmas, you can see why this would be interpreted as something which contributes to a negative view of institutions (and therefore contribute to a reticence to attend / have family attend institutions)

BillyMansell

Rick Chasey wrote:

I imagine the charity objection is more about trying to remove the association of mental health institutions with scary murderers rather than being 'offended'. If as a charity you are working against mental health stigmas, you can see why this would be interpreted as something which contributes to a negative view of institutions (and therefore contribute to a reticence to attend / have family attend institutions)

It's almost unbelievable that in 2013 we still have to have campaigns like Time To Change to educate the general public about mental health, that mental health is normal and something we all have. Even in this thread people have shown their ignorance (and fear) of mental disorder when mental health is applied to them.

Thankfully, asylums no longer exist as society's dumping ground and modern mental health hospitals are no different from general hospitals, although after Mid Staffs and the Frances Report that's probably not the best comparison.

daviesee

Tenuous at best.
Ive seen the Friday 13th films but still enjoy going to an ice hockey match.
Plenty people get dressed up as vampires but I am still happy to go out at night.

What is more likely to put people of going to places of care is reports off abuse.

arran77

Rick Chasey wrote:

I imagine the charity objection is more about trying to remove the association of mental health institutions with scary murderers rather than being 'offended'. If as a charity you are working against mental health stigmas, you can see why this would be interpreted as something which contributes to a negative view of institutions (and therefore contribute to a reticence to attend / have family attend institutions)

Did you watch that 'Inside Broadmoor' programme last night?

Some of those 'mental patients' were proper scary fruits :shock:

ballysmate

Member of extended family suffers from schizophrenia. Glad he doesn't work at the butchers. :shock:

arran77

Ballysmate wrote:

Member of extended family suffers from schizophrenia. Glad he doesn't work at the butchers. :shock:

You say that but through work I've seen a little of the way Broadmoor functions and they have all sorts of vocational activities for the patients including a wood work shop, chisels don't seem like the best idea to me :shock:

ballysmate

He was once found howling like a dog in the attic and wouldn't come down.
Threw a stick for him to fetch.

napoleond

Interesting thread!

Now I've read it I'm off to Sainsbury's for a 10" Pepperoni Pizza.

arran77

NapoleonD wrote:

Interesting thread!

Now I've read it I'm off to Sainsbury's for a 10" Pepperoni Pizza.

Mikey23

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 53369.html

Paranoid schizophrenic out unsupervised in the community. I think perhaps that those who make decisions on our behalf might be more aware of mental illness and it's consequence. At least he wasn't wearing a tesco costume ...

BillyMansell

Mikey23 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/judge-dismayed-at-lack-of-medical-help-for-paranoidschizophrenic-as-phillip-simelane-admits-manslaughter-over-birmingham-bus-stabbing-of-schoolgirl-christina-edkins-8853369.html

Paranoid schizophrenic out unsupervised in the community. I think perhaps that those who make decisions on our behalf might be more aware of mental illness and it's consequence. At least he wasn't wearing a tesco costume ...

And yet 95% of killings are committed by people without mental health diagnoses.

team47b

BillyMansell wrote:

And yet 95% of killings are committed by people without mental health diagnoses.

Kind of disturbing that most killings are committed by the 'sane'

veronese68

team47b wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

And yet 95% of killings are committed by people without mental health diagnoses.

Kind of disturbing that most killings are committed by the 'sane'

I don't think anybody can be considered sane in the moment that they take another life, although they may not have a diagnosed problem. Not sure that a comment following a link to a story about the murder of a 16 year old girl warrants a smiley face either.

BillyMansell

Veronese68 wrote:

team47b wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

And yet 95% of killings are committed by people without mental health diagnoses.

Kind of disturbing that most killings are committed by the 'sane'

I don't think anybody can be considered sane in the moment that they take another life, although they may not have a diagnosed problem.

There are both clinical and legal tests to ensure sane people can't claim temporary insanity or crimes of passion to evade prosecution for killing. Clinical tests assess mental health (i.e. historical, pervasive or episodic behaviours, thoughts or feelings over a period of time) as the law requires absolute certainty of mental capacity in murder cases.

The Soham murders is an example where a sane person claimed they were mentally unwell at the time of the killings and unfit to stand trial but was determined sane throughout by a consultant psychiatrist.

veronese68

Yes, I agree with you entirely. Sane in the sense that they know exactly what they are doing and that it is wrong. But people like that are not clinically insane, but that is not the act of a normal person in laymans terms. A 'normal' person doesn't kill another person without some sort of trigger.

arran77

BillyMansell wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

team47b wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

And yet 95% of killings are committed by people without mental health diagnoses.

Kind of disturbing that most killings are committed by the 'sane'

I don't think anybody can be considered sane in the moment that they take another life, although they may not have a diagnosed problem.

There are both clinical and legal tests to ensure sane people can't claim temporary insanity or crimes of passion to evade prosecution for killing. Clinical tests assess mental health (i.e. historical, pervasive or episodic behaviours, thoughts or feelings over a period of time) as the law requires absolute certainty of mental capacity in murder cases.

The Soham murders is an example where a sane person claimed they were mentally unwell at the time of the killings and unfit to stand trial but was determined sane throughout by a consultant psychiatrist.

Oh really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-ronson/psychopath-test-ted-talk_b_2973423.html

BillyMansell

arran77 wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

team47b wrote:

BillyMansell wrote:

And yet 95% of killings are committed by people without mental health diagnoses.

Kind of disturbing that most killings are committed by the 'sane'

I don't think anybody can be considered sane in the moment that they take another life, although they may not have a diagnosed problem.

There are both clinical and legal tests to ensure sane people can't claim temporary insanity or crimes of passion to evade prosecution for killing. Clinical tests assess mental health (i.e. historical, pervasive or episodic behaviours, thoughts or feelings over a period of time) as the law requires absolute certainty of mental capacity in murder cases.

The Soham murders is an example where a sane person claimed they were mentally unwell at the time of the killings and unfit to stand trial but was determined sane throughout by a consultant psychiatrist.

Oh really?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-ronson/psychopath-test-ted-talk_b_2973423.html

An interesting watch but void of all facts bar two; a dangerous person was locked up in Broadmoor and a journalist is selling an entertaining book questioning the over-pathologising of mental health, a questioning I whole-heartedly support as the danger of such scientific over-pathologising is that the ill-educated general public use such definitions to demonise such labelled minority outgroups.

Aspergers is a good example of the dangers of over-pathologising as it became a mental health disorder under definitions written in the DSM-IV but has been removed from the recently published DSM-V as, thanks to the work of people like Simon Baron-Cohen at Cambridge, it is recognised as nothing more than a cognitive difference and potentially a mental attribute.

Mikey23

Not removed if I understand correctly but merely moved sideways into the autism spectrum

Mikey23

And of course such over pathologising provides a convenient entry point into the benefit culture

arran77

Inside Broadmoor just starting on channel 5

greg66_tri_v2.0

According to the headline on the front page of today's super soar away Sun, over the last 10 years mental patients have killed 1200 people.

If that's right, and its a big if, admittedly, that's an average of one every three days.

That seems like a lot to me.