World Championship - ***SPOILERS***
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And he isn't 420
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Just thought it was interesting that pretty much every significant win is greeted with pages of diatribe, minute examination of power data, endless speculation about whether he did or whether he didn't and all this one gets is good old tony. I'm kind of disappointed, but in a nice way...0
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Just noticed 13 Nicolas Roche (Ireland) 0:03:13
Bodes well for future GC ambitions, doesn't it?
A few weeks ago, who'd thought this was ever going to matter...0 -
Great TT although being a Wiggo "fan boi" I was a little disapointed there were no more Conti tyre disasters.
Roche the stand out ride for me, I didn't realise he could test0 -
I wonder if Wiggins will now drop out of the road race?
Coming second today is bound to raise issues of motivation.
Martin's German engine produces those few extra horsepower, with no loss of efficiency. :P"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:I wonder if Wiggins will now drop out of the road race?
Coming second today is bound to raise issues of motivation.
Martin's German engine produces those few extra horsepower, with no loss of efficiency. :P
He got silver behind a rider who was simply out of this world today. He didnt come 43rd or something. After the season he's had, and having to change his goals - and shape - halfway through the year, and having already acknowledged that he did everything he could but was beaten by the better man....Just as when he got silver 2 years ago, he'll be on the start line on Sunday to work for GB.
Actually in post-race interviews he came across as more disappointed with his silver in 2011, than he did today0 -
He's bound to be a bit disappointed, but he was fair and squarely beaten by a good margin, so it's not as if he'll be kicking himself that me missed out by 5 seconds or something, there wasn't much more he could have done today... that's the way it looks on the face of it, only he knows how many vodka and tonics and benny hedgehogs he had last night that he might wish he hadn't though, or differences in prep he might wish he'd done.
Fingers crossed Sunday will be a great RR now, regardless of who wins.0 -
I was glad he was so disappointed, true champions are never happy with second place. Beaten fair and square by the best TTr of his generation, possibly of all time???? When is Tony going for the Hour record?
Oh, and Frenchie, I try really hard to ignore your posts but FFS man, grow up. :roll:0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:I wonder if Wiggins will now drop out of the road race?
Coming second today is bound to raise issues of motivation.
Martin's German engine produces those few extra horsepower, with no loss of efficiency. :P
He got silver behind a rider who was simply out of this world today. He didnt come 43rd or something. After the season he's had, and having to change his goals - and shape - halfway through the year, and having already acknowledged that he did everything he could but was beaten by the better man....Just as when he got silver 2 years ago, he'll be on the start line on Sunday to work for GB.
Actually in post-race interviews he came across as more disappointed with his silver in 2011, than he did today
Yea. This fits with that other thread about how to explain the 40 seconds when they are the top 0.000% of the sport etc, so the margins between them should be much smaller.
Tony Martin won this race over the last 6-8 months IMO. Wiggins knows this, and knew to an extent it was out of his hands which medal he would get on the day, he just knew what output/speed/power he could produce given the season he had. Wiggins is one of the best at measuring output over a distance, he'll know he did all he could today, and he'll be content enough with that.0 -
Today's ride will surely give Wiggins a huge boost - he will know that he rode well and felt good. It does not matter in some ways that he was beaten. His overhauling of Cancellara in the last 10k was a superb effort.Blazing Saddles wrote:I wonder if Wiggins will now drop out of the road race?
Coming second today is bound to raise issues of motivation.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:I wonder if Wiggins will now drop out of the road race?
Coming second today is bound to raise issues of motivation.
Martin's German engine produces those few extra horsepower, with no loss of efficiency. :P
His temperament is rather fragile and he has past form for being depressed at such things. Of course he will ride though I doubt he will care much for helping Froome (which is the sole objective). I actually would find it wonderful if he deliberately hampers the Kenyan or actually goes for the win himself - that would put him up a few notches.
But yes the heavyweight and humble Tony Masterman Martin took a win of class today. He looks so at one with his TT bike it is amazing - like a single unit.
Some of the photos from this event are beautiful.Contador is the Greatest0 -
The Panzerwagen rode so hard that he made a hole on the inside of his bibshorts.Contador is the Greatest0
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I reckon Stannard should have top tenned. I wonder whether they could have changed the entries at short notice.Contador is the Greatest0
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Rick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:What a ******* shoot show. Really wanted Fabu to get silver.
Was moaning he didn't get any time checks from the car.
Pah! He shouldn't want information........that's for the factory boys. No?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:What a ******* shoot show. Really wanted Fabu to get silver.
Was moaning he didn't get any time checks from the car.
Pah! He shouldn't want information........that's for the factory boys. No?
Exactly. If you are in the red you cant go any deeper anyway. Fab you are not going quickly enough. Er...ok.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Phinney didn't have a drink in the TTT which would have affected him. You wonder if stopping for the bottle would have been better but it is a difficult call.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julich- ... -worlds-ttContador is the Greatest0 -
mike6 wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:What a ******* shoot show. Really wanted Fabu to get silver.
Was moaning he didn't get any time checks from the car.
Pah! He shouldn't want information........that's for the factory boys. No?
Exactly. If you are in the red you cant go any deeper anyway. Fab you are not going quickly enough. Er...ok.
Do people really think knowing someone is close doesn't make an impact on the final time??0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:mike6 wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:What a ******* shoot show. Really wanted Fabu to get silver.
Was moaning he didn't get any time checks from the car.
Pah! He shouldn't want information........that's for the factory boys. No?
Exactly. If you are in the red you cant go any deeper anyway. Fab you are not going quickly enough. Er...ok.
Do people really think knowing someone is close doesn't make an impact on the final time??
Not if you are already flat out and breathing through your a***e it dont. All three on the podium looked totally spent.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:mike6 wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:frenchfighter wrote:What a ******* shoot show. Really wanted Fabu to get silver.
Was moaning he didn't get any time checks from the car.
Pah! He shouldn't want information........that's for the factory boys. No?
Exactly. If you are in the red you cant go any deeper anyway. Fab you are not going quickly enough. Er...ok.
Do people really think knowing someone is close doesn't make an impact on the final time??
I would have thought that knowing a gap is close and shrinking benefits the pursuer more than the pursued.
That said Dan Martin reckoned that if he and Quintana had known they had a decent gap on stage ? of the TOB, they would have made more of an effort to stay away.......“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:
Yes. When he becomes the pursuer
(really feel as though I've missed a lot not watching in that era....in spite of everything)“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Yeh! Or rather the pursued loses as much as the the pursuer gains, in motivation.TailWindHome wrote:
I would have thought that knowing a gap is close and shrinking benefits the pursuer more than the pursued.Rick Chasey wrote:
Do people really think knowing someone is close doesn't make an impact on the final time??mike6 wrote:
Exactly. If you are in the red you cant go any deeper anyway. Fab you are not going quickly enough. Er...ok.TailWindHome wrote:Pah! He shouldn't want information........that's for the factory boys. No?
Had Cancellara known the gap between him and Wiggins closed so rapidly as it did just after the last intermediate, unless Cancellara then showed he had a will of steel (I think in his case not impossible - but also not always certain) Wiggins might have beaten him by a bigger margin than 2 secs.
I wonder if Cancellara unnecessarily rode too much of the TT in too low a gear, too high a cadence. I don’t remember noticing in the past such a high cadence from him. I know it helped at the beginning when he was fresh, but the whole hour like that? Maybe in the middle he should have changed up and powered more Martin-style, of which I’m sure he’s also capable.0 -
knedlicky wrote:
I wonder if Cancellara unnecessarily rode too much of the TT in too low a gear, too high a cadence. I don’t remember noticing in the past such a high cadence from him. I know it helped at the beginning when he was fresh, but the whole hour like that? Maybe in the middle he should have changed up and powered more Martin-style, of which I’m sure he’s also capable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha26GN_ ... ata_player courtesy of former BR regular bhima.
I remember people saying the opposite when Canc won - that he moved to a higher cadence really helped.0 -
I didn’t notice any rider drinking on the TV coverage - in Martin's case maybe I wouldn't have had, because Boardman said he had the camelback system - although I noticed Martin also had a bottle on his frame. But then empty?frenchfighter wrote:Phinney didn't have a drink in the TTT which would have affected him. You wonder if stopping for the bottle would have been better but it is a difficult call.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/julich- ... -worlds-tt
I wonder how necessary drinking is for just an hour. I know they’re at high speeds at full effort, but it wasn’t particularly warm, it was flat, and if they’re fully hydrated to begin with?
Maybe sometimes having a drink (or drinking possibility) is more for the placebo/mental effect?
At the level I've competed (cat 3), unless a difficult terrain or hot weather required it, I've often gone an hour or so without touching the bottle, without noticeable deterioration.
Maybe if Chavanel were to justify his performance on poor hydration. I’d be otherwise convinced (first time check, 3rd, second time check 8th, third time check 13th, finish 22nd).0 -
Thanks Rick, seems I’m wrong – maybe just the contrast in styles I noticed today between him and Martin and, to a lesser extent, Wiggins.Rick Chasey wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha26GN_ ... ata_player courtesy of former BR regular bhima.knedlicky wrote:
I wonder if Cancellara unnecessarily rode too much of the TT in too low a gear, too high a cadence. I don’t remember noticing in the past such a high cadence from him. I know it helped at the beginning when he was fresh, but the whole hour like that? Maybe in the middle he should have changed up and powered more Martin-style, of which I’m sure he’s also capable.
I remember people saying the opposite when Canc won - that he moved to a higher cadence really helped.
The youtube video also shows Cancellara drinking, which somewhat counters my other recent post as well.
Or maybe it was warmer there than in Florence? The route was slightly bumpier, which helps.0 -
knedlicky wrote:
Thanks Rick, seems I’m wrong – maybe just the contrast in styles I noticed today between him and Martin and, to a lesser extent, Wiggins.Rick Chasey wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha26GN_ ... ata_player courtesy of former BR regular bhima.knedlicky wrote:
I wonder if Cancellara unnecessarily rode too much of the TT in too low a gear, too high a cadence. I don’t remember noticing in the past such a high cadence from him. I know it helped at the beginning when he was fresh, but the whole hour like that? Maybe in the middle he should have changed up and powered more Martin-style, of which I’m sure he’s also capable.
I remember people saying the opposite when Canc won - that he moved to a higher cadence really helped.
The youtube video also shows Cancellara drinking, which somewhat counters my other recent post as well.
Or maybe it was warmer there than in Florence? The route was slightly bumpier, which helps.
I think the drinking thing is just luck of the directors camera choice. Same way a director can make an evenly shared breakaway look like one rider is doing all the work.0 -
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Source: William H on podiumcafe.com...
He took the top 10 riders, and then got an average (mean) time for each part of the course, then used it as a baseline to compare the performances of those top 10 riders.
First 4 columns are the 4 sections of the course, 5th is the whole course overall.
Martin was super consistent at about 3% faster than our baseline. I guess that suggests he got his pacing bang on the money, as well as being just plain stronger than everyone else.
Wiggins’ “negative split” is quite visible. Did he go out too slowly, or was he wiser than the rest? But he certainly wasn’t going to beat Martin what ever strategy he chose.
Cancellara, as we saw, went out at Martin pace then paid for that, though he was never going badly.
Kiryenka seems to have started out conservatively, then did a great section (2% faster than our baseline), then paid for that effort, then recovered a bit
Phinney and Quaade both went out hard, then suffered, but Phinney put in a good 3rd section that kept him ahead
Pinotti started and finished well. Not sure what that means
Malori, Larsson and Siutsou all got hammered at the first split. But perhaps that’s why they managed a top 10. Well, the race this time around seems like it actually proceeded remarkably similarly to 2011
(No overall in this one, just the 6 sections)...
Martin again remarkably consistent though perhaps even more dominant, Wiggins doing a negative split (since there were laps in that race, we can say that’s actually true, no need for quotation marks) to take second, Cancellara’s performance dropping off at the end – more dramatically in 2011, in fact.0
