Dauphine Stage 8 SPOILER
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mike6 wrote:Yellow Peril wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:What a damp squib this race was.
Definitely lacked something. Last year was far more hotly contested. Perhaps if Cadel/Nibs hadn't done the Giro....
Well of course it was, a Sky rider won it.
All this Sky bashing on here really is becoming tedious and juvenile. Unless other teams raise there game Sky will keep winning the big races. Many of the other teams have huge budgets, they should use them more wisely.
Bad mouthing Sky as dopers, or boring or, well, er, I just don't like them, wont change things.
As has been said before......ABC.
WTF is your problem? Did I mention Sky? If you thought this was an interesting race then you need to get out more. As for Sky bashing - not done it in a while, and there is no point doing it on this forum either as has been said on this thread it's probably the most pro-Sky forum going, which happens to be just as boring as all the anti-sky crap. But as I said - original comment had nothing to do with Sky and everything to do with it being a sh*t race.
Oh, and PS. A Sky rider won it the last two years and on both occasions was a better race.0 -
The stage in Switzerland was won by someone who attacked inside the last kilometre at which time there were about 30 riders in the front group. What's so special about that?DeadCalm wrote:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the Tour de Suisse.RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
The stage in Switzerland was won by someone who attacked inside the last kilometre at which time there were about 30 riders in the front group. What's so special about that?DeadCalm wrote:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the Tour de Suisse.RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...
Honestly, 4 out of the 7 TDF's won by Armstrong were entertaining, and only one of those wasn't a procession ...
Last year's Vuelta was good value even if the conclusion was inevitable ... The top 4 (that became 3) fought out every stage worth the effort ...
Even Sastre's win was anti-climatic ... tactical masterclass, yes ... But I want my winner to show for a minimum of 2 of the 3 weeks (or in a one week stage race dominate a minimum of 2 stages to show it's no a TT win or fluke, the fact that Wiggins/SKY took that formula to 3 weeks is a shocking reflection of the lack of competition) ...0 -
For 15 of the 16 kilometres of climb, Orica and a couple of other teams tapped out a Cameron Meyer speed tempo. So there was some attacking at the end, but Sky have been attacking on MTFs all season, in almost every race.LeicesterLad wrote:
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
The 'Sky are boring' tag was valid in 2012, but not 2013.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Sastre attacking 13 km out on d'Huez anti-climatic?
Tough crowd!
And no. 4/7 of Lance's vicories weren't really won in a particularly entertaining way considering doping ad-lib was available.0 -
Which is exactly what Sky have been doing all year.Crankbrother wrote:But I want my winner to show for a minimum of 2 of the 3 weeks (or in a one week stage race dominate a minimum of 2 stages to show it's no a TT win or fluke, the fact that Wiggins/SKY took that formula to 3 weeks is a shocking reflection of the lack of competition) ...Twitter: @RichN950 -
Which didn't happen on a single stage of this raceLeicesterLad wrote:RichN95 wrote:
The stage in Switzerland was won by someone who attacked inside the last kilometre at which time there were about 30 riders in the front group. What's so special about that?DeadCalm wrote:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the Tour de Suisse.RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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RichN95 wrote:
For 15 of the 16 kilometres of climb, Orica and a couple of other teams tapped out a Cameron Meyer speed tempo. So there was some attacking at the end, but Sky have been attacking on MTFs all season, in almost every race.LeicesterLad wrote:
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
The 'Sky are boring' tag was valid in 2012, but not 2013.
I agree to an extent obviously, been some good racing from Sky this year BUT an attack off the front once the opposition has been worn down aka criterium international is not as entertaining as an.unpredictable attack from somebody behind the Sky front men. There is a certain predictability with a Sky attack, racing is always much more exciting when its unexpected or anticipated but not certain.
I also like to see different people win - obviously this isn't Skys fault but some of the podium photos this year could belong to any number of races.0 -
ddraver wrote:
Which didn't happen on a single stage of this raceLeicesterLad wrote:RichN95 wrote:
The stage in Switzerland was won by someone who attacked inside the last kilometre at which time there were about 30 riders in the front group. What's so special about that?DeadCalm wrote:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the Tour de Suisse.RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
So De Marchi escaped because nobody gave a Sh*t but what happened behind was completely rehearsed. Everybody knew exactly what was going to happen. I predicted the Froome/Porte 1/2 before the race.
Ps. Are you going to be a tool and tell me this was a good race? Because dd we both no it wasn't no matter how much you enjoyed the end result.0 -
Controversial I know but I actually think Sky were more exciting last year. Mainly because they hadn't done it before and partly because Wiggins appeared slightly vulnerable. I wasn't actually sure he'd win the Tour until the final week whereas I'm already pretty sure Froome is going to win it. It's not Sky's fault but it is dull.0
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The issue is - and its not Skys fault - a lot of these races are like watching someone win a 24 hour grand prix 23 hours before the finish. It's dull, predictable and a procession. Other teams need to sort their sh*t out becuase otherwise its gunna be a very dull year.0
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RichN95 wrote:
Which is exactly what Sky have been doing all year.Crankbrother wrote:But I want my winner to show for a minimum of 2 of the 3 weeks (or in a one week stage race dominate a minimum of 2 stages to show it's no a TT win or fluke, the fact that Wiggins/SKY took that formula to 3 weeks is a shocking reflection of the lack of competition) ...
I've watched all that Eurosport (and once SS4) had to offer and haven't seen SKY win a stage race with the GC winner winning (or bossing) more than one stage to make it look convincing ...
Only SKY highlights have been Stannard's flirt with MSR (true racing highlight) and Wiggin's comedy sketch during the Giro (he fell short of slipping on a banana skin or getting clobbered by a man carrying a ladder) ...0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:RichN95 wrote:
For 15 of the 16 kilometres of climb, Orica and a couple of other teams tapped out a Cameron Meyer speed tempo. So there was some attacking at the end, but Sky have been attacking on MTFs all season, in almost every race.LeicesterLad wrote:
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
The 'Sky are boring' tag was valid in 2012, but not 2013.
I agree to an extent obviously, been some good racing from Sky this year BUT an attack off the front once the opposition has been worn down aka criterium international is not as entertaining as an unpredictable attack from somebody behind the Sky front men.
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In the Tour of Oman, Froome was first and second on the two decisive stagesCrankbrother wrote:
I've watched all that Eurosport (and once SS4) had to offer and haven't seen SKY win a stage race with the GC winner winning (or bossing) more than one stage to make it look convincing ...
In Paris-Nice, Porte won the queen stage and the time trial.
In Criterium International, Froome won the mountain stage (and Porte won the TT)
In Romandie, Froome won the prologue, was third behind two specialists in the TT and then took a minute out of the field with Spilak in the queen stage
In the Dauphine, Froome was first and second in the MTFs and third in the TT.
That was all pretty convincing.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Convincing but dull.RichN95 wrote:
In the Tour of Oman, Froome was first and second on the two decisive stagesCrankbrother wrote:
I've watched all that Eurosport (and once SS4) had to offer and haven't seen SKY win a stage race with the GC winner winning (or bossing) more than one stage to make it look convincing ...
In Paris-Nice, Porte won the queen stage and the time trial.
In Criterium International, Froome won the mountain stage (and Porte won the TT)
In Romandie, Froome won the prologue, was third behind two specialists in the TT and then took a minute out of the field with Spilak in the queen stage
In the Dauphine, Froome was first and second in the MTFs and third in the TT.
That was all pretty convincing.
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In fact, as I see it, Sky are turning into the Stephen Hendry of cycling. Some might see that as a good thing. I don't.0 -
I did say, winner, more than one stage or TT ...
But you seem keen to find joy in it all so dodge on ahead ...0 -
Oh, Cranky. Only you could join a discussion about Sky being too dominant, and say that Sky haven't been convincing at all.0
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Not happy that around 35 riders dropped out today, not just Voeckler but also Gerrans, Slagter, De Gendt, Kwiatkowski, Chavanel, Rolland, Bouhanni. Yesterday it was over 20 too. I can't believe they were all legitimate withdrawals in the sense of injury, illness, exhaustion. Between end of stages 6 and 8, the peloton reduced in size by over a third due to DNS and, primarily, DNF.frenchfighter wrote:Voeckler abandon.
I realise riders may think an extra racing day is irrelevant to building up form given the weather conditions (which I’d actually disagree with), or it’s good to avoid race injury, or they have no chance now (Bouhanni), but unless they can provide a ‘doctor’s slip’ I think it disrespectful to organisers, spectators and sponsors, afterall it’s only one last day in just a week-long race, unlikely to affect them adversely, and they can just ride easy if they want.
In one-day races the drop-out quotient is high, because at some point it becomes clear that one can't any longer contribute, but the Dauphine isn't a day-race and a different ethic used to apply; riders had a pride in just finishing.
Without evidence of disabilty, I’d be inclined to annul the results of those who unnecessarily dropped out.
That would teach Voeckler!0 -
RichN95 wrote:
For 15 of the 16 kilometres of climb, Orica and a couple of other teams tapped out a Cameron Meyer speed tempo. So there was some attacking at the end, but Sky have been attacking on MTFs all season, in almost every race.LeicesterLad wrote:
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
The 'Sky are boring' tag was valid in 2012, but not 2013.
I'm guessing you didn't see it, Rich.
Jeanneson and Pinot rode off the front at 13kms. Reeled in. Dan Martin attacked at 12kms out, Ryder attacked at 11kms out. Kangert bridged. Dan helped Hesjedal get 30+seconds lead. Albasini OGE's last man blew. Ag2r tried to chase. Kangert got dropped by RH. Spilak attacked, Pozzovivo counter attacked.
After that, we had the 1km out stuff.
So, a little bit more to it than the average train stage, Sky or otherwise."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Check Blazing. They should read the spoiler thread.Contador is the Greatest0
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LeicesterLad wrote:ddraver wrote:
Which didn't happen on a single stage of this raceLeicesterLad wrote:RichN95 wrote:
The stage in Switzerland was won by someone who attacked inside the last kilometre at which time there were about 30 riders in the front group. What's so special about that?DeadCalm wrote:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the Tour de Suisse.RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
So De Marchi escaped because nobody gave a Sh*t but what happened behind was completely rehearsed. Everybody knew exactly what was going to happen. I predicted the Froome/Porte 1/2 before the race.
Ps. Are you going to be a tool and tell me this was a good race? Because dd we both no it wasn't no matter how much you enjoyed the end result.
I was grumpy last night, can anybody tell?
(My wedding on Saturday and i'm using this forum to let off some steam
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Congratulations LL!
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"This victory rewards me for all the unsuccessful breakaways I’ve conducted since I turned Professional", De Marchi said. "It was the dream of my life to achieve something like this and I’m delighted it happened at such a big race. I’ve tried so many times that I can only be happy with this. The Dauphiné was an important step in my lead up to the Tour de France."Contador is the Greatest0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:ddraver wrote:
Which didn't happen on a single stage of this raceLeicesterLad wrote:RichN95 wrote:
The stage in Switzerland was won by someone who attacked inside the last kilometre at which time there were about 30 riders in the front group. What's so special about that?DeadCalm wrote:
I refer the honourable gentleman to the Tour de Suisse.RichN95 wrote:
Out of interest, what would you consider an entertaining way of contesting a stage race GC?Crankbrother wrote:^YAWN
Saying negative stuff about SKY comes from the fact they win in such a unentertaining manor ... Do they care, not a jot ... Should you? Likely as it's your time they are wasting watching the stages ...
Not special Rich, but vaguely more entertaining than watching a bunch of guys roll up a hill tapping out a tempo and crossing the line together. Well, for some of us anyway.
So De Marchi escaped because nobody gave a Sh*t but what happened behind was completely rehearsed. Everybody knew exactly what was going to happen. I predicted the Froome/Porte 1/2 before the race.
Ps. Are you going to be a tool and tell me this was a good race? Because dd we both no it wasn't no matter how much you enjoyed the end result.
I was grumpy last night, can anybody tell?
(My wedding on Saturday and i'm using the internet to let off some steam )
Fixed ...
Jokes aside, congrats buddy ... Just remember to lay off the forum next Sunday night ...0 -
Good luck for Sat to LL
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Love this shot:
Contador is the Greatest0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:(My wedding on Saturday and i'm using this forum to let off some steam )
There's still time to escape
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frenchfighter wrote:Love this shot:
It's nice, love the contrasting angles of the riders.0 -
Ha, lots of love on here this morning!
Cheers guys (and girls) 0
