Experience of Wyndy Milla Anyone??

bondurant

Sweet.

Beatmaker

I love that, great to see stuff outside the usual generic designs and colourways.

jamiemilbourn

Come on grill I was hoping to see this in the "your rides" section by now.....

Grill

Crocked my knee a couple weeks ago so been lazy with the bikes. Plus the Plasma 3 is being built at the same time...

jamiemilbourn

At this rate ill have mine before yours is ready ;-)

Now it's wheel choice time.... I wish I could get RZR's but no way the missus will go for that...

smoggysteve

I had heard good things about them by all who owned them . Then a friend told me his has developed 4 cracks in it. 4!!

It was not a small defect that could be fixed. It was a complete right off. Shame as they look good. Thats all I would need to be put off one.

Grill

The frames have a lifetime warranty so I'm not really worried about it.

smoggysteve

It is good you have a warranty but are you not worried it will happen again to another bike? It would make me not trust that brand again. But thats just my opinion.

Grill

WM are made by Sarto which has a good rep and is a quality fab, but the fact of the matter is everything breaks dude. Just because your buddy had a bad experience doesn't mean that the whole brand should be damned. I've seen my fair share of broken Bianchi's and loads of trashed Cube's but that doesn't mean they all suck.

smoggysteve

I know what you are saying. I was in a bike shop yesterday and I saw not 1 but 2 Basso's that were in for repair. One was slight damage, one totaled. It nearly brought a tear to my eye. Anyway, the odd crack in any frame I would put down to bad luck, but the WM was riddled with them. Believe me, if any bike I owned had the same fault, even Bianchi I would look elsewhere afterwards. It would break my heart but I wouldn't trust them again.

Grill

Once again, that's one frame your talking about. These things happen. I can only assume that WM stood behind the frame and replaced it. Sarto is no joke dude, they build a stellar frame.

smoggysteve

Again. I am sure you are right. I am voicing MY OPINION. You cannot argue that. Do what you like. I will do what I like. If anything, be it a bike or a car or a toaster, fails in an unreasonable way I would turn my back on that brand. again MY OPINION.

Grill

Your opinion is based upon a friend telling you about his frame. You don't know the circumstance, resolution and not to mention you didn't get to see said 'damage' first-hand (where, which layer, etc. are all very important). You're more than welcome to form your opinions based upon conjecture, but I prefer to examine the facts. These sort of things always get blown out of proportion. Take the Spec fork recall. There were 2 incidences in the world and yet people still jumped on the bandwagon of 'they're all rubbish and I'll never buy one'.

Whatever you do don't Google 'Bianchi warranty'* and see all the people who have had similar issues

*you can do this with any brand

smoggysteve

Why do you think I am slagging off WM ? I have seen the frame myself. He is a fair weather rider and stores it indoors. Treats it like a baby. But it's got 4 cracks, 2 in the too tube near the seat post and half way down. Another in the seat stay and another on the down tube starting at the BB. To say he has been vocal about his thoughts on the cracks is an understatement. So yes i have seen it first hand. dont matter if it was hidden under paint or clear as day to see, that amount of cracking is not normal. it looks like the whole frame is just falling apart. BTW. If you want to start mud slinging about other brands I don't see your point. All I was saying was I could never trust that brand again. Regardless of who they are. But since Bianchi sell far more bike world wide than most smaller companies of course you will get a larger amount of complaints. But that's not my argument. I like WM bikes, but all I am saying is once something fails in a way like that it would put me off owning one.

Grill

Errr... there's no mud-slinging here, thus the asterisk in my last post which illustrates that all brands fail. So has he gotten a replacement frame from them yet? If ever you've spoken to the WM guys you'd know that they pride themselves on quality and would a) want to see where the problem lies and b) fix it. In my estimation that's all anyone could ask for.

apjs87

Grill - Nice bike and love the design. Get it built and pics up

proto

Pretty sure Sarto make Condor frames too, so maybe give them a miss just in case. And I know someone whose Cervelo developed a crack in the seat tube. So cross them off the list. Etc, etc.

Mate of mine rides for the MG Maxifuel team, They give their Wyndy Milla frames a right hammering week after week. I've not heard of any failing.

smoggysteve

I love the spastic way people jump on bandwagons on this forum. I only say in my opinion I couldn't own anything that failed like the frame did. Not just a bike but a car or any item. I am not saying the frames are bad and you should stay away. But if people want to come on here to rant and rave like this then crack on. Personally I like WM and I am sure it was a one off. But I again in my mind couldn't own any bike after it breaking the way it did. Is that not my basic right to choose?

Coach H

SmoggySteve wrote:

I love the spastic way people jump on bandwagons on this forum. I only say in my opinion I couldn't own anything that failed like the frame did. Not just a bike but a car or any item. I am not saying the frames are bad and you should stay away. But if people want to come on here to rant and rave like this then crack on. Personally I like WM and I am sure it was a one off. But I again in my mind couldn't own any bike after it breaking the way it did. Is that not my basic right to choose?

I think the point others are trying to make Smoggy is that you are stating that you would have no confidence in the product while riding Brands that will have had multiple frame failures, both brands are also made by far eastern OEM's that will again have had multiple frame failures (hence the comment re Sarto making OEM frames for Pearson as well as WM). If it is your opinion that you 'couldn't own anything that failed like the frame did' you need to sell your stable of bikes smartish but you will also struggle to find replacements of a brand (or OEM) without frame failures in their history.

The descrition of the fram failure you mention is usefull to people researching the brand, however IMHO you then jumped on the bandwagon of writting off products due to a single failure, which frankly does not make any sense. You have avery right to have your own opinion, it is just your justification for having it that is not logical.

Thanks for sharing your experience though.

smoggysteve

Coach H wrote:

SmoggySteve wrote:

I love the spastic way people jump on bandwagons on this forum. I only say in my opinion I couldn't own anything that failed like the frame did. Not just a bike but a car or any item. I am not saying the frames are bad and you should stay away. But if people want to come on here to rant and rave like this then crack on. Personally I like WM and I am sure it was a one off. But I again in my mind couldn't own any bike after it breaking the way it did. Is that not my basic right to choose?

I think the point others are trying to make Smoggy is that you are stating that you would have no confidence in the product while riding Brands that will have had multiple frame failures, both brands are also made by far eastern OEM's that will again have had multiple frame failures (hence the comment re Sarto making OEM frames for Pearson as well as WM). If it is your opinion that you 'couldn't own anything that failed like the frame did' you need to sell your stable of bikes smartish but you will also struggle to find replacements of a brand (or OEM) without frame failures in their history.

The descrition of the fram failure you mention is usefull to people researching the brand, however IMHO you then jumped on the bandwagon of writting off products due to a single failure, which frankly does not make any sense. You have avery right to have your own opinion, it is just your justification for having it that is not logical.

Thanks for sharing your experience though.

I understand that. All I am saying is I will buy anything and be happy with it until it fails. If it fails reasonably after normal wear and tear then fine. If it fails early I cut my losses and move on. That is all I am saying and people don't seem to understand that. I would still possibly some time in the future look at a WM bike. I am not condemning them. It never happened to me so I would just look at them with caution. If it did happen to me then they would never get my business again. This is not a bike thing its anything you can imagine. My iPhone fell apart. Mever buy another. I owned 3 Ford cars. Never had a problem even though I know others have. I would still buy another until the day I get a bad one. That the way I work. It is not to say I think WM bikes are bad . I never said that. I think they are great and original.

meesterbond

All fair points, but personally I think the better judge is how the company deal with problems when things do go wrong. If they stand by the their product and make things good, then I'm actually more likely to use them again - even though the original product might have gone wrong / broken etc.

Stuff, whether that be cars, bikes or phones, is complex; relying on a lot of parts, provided by a lot of different companies and occasionally it'll break.

I think the internet coverage issue is a fair one, although not what was being raised in this instance.

Grill

So the Massive Attack is almost ready. Still need pedals and cages, but coming in at 6.1kg with heavy-ass Conti tubs.
Here's a preview glimpse:

slowandsteady

Grill wrote:

So the Massive Attack is almost ready. Still need pedals and cages, but coming in at 6.1kg with heavy-ass Conti tubs.
Here's a preview glimpse:

I "think" I quite like that.

when I say "think", what I really mean is I don't know whether I love it or hate it.

I'd have one, so that's a start. Clever paint too.

its set up quite aggressively too eh. You racing it?

Grill

I only race TT's and I have a different bike for that

napoleond

Funny how shifter position can make or break the look of a bike.

Bozman

I don't like knocking but as mentioned... the shifters and to be picky the rear brake outer looks too long to me, other than that it's sound.

Grill

Nothing wrong with the shifters as that's how I likes 'em.

smidsy

I can not see any of those issues past how pink it is :-)

You are brave grill -I'll give you that.

Will we see it at the VTec Bar-B-Q?

Grill

Is he still having that? I haven't heard a thing about it in months.

smidsy

No idea but I though it would be a goer as I have not seen anything to make me doubt it.