Dauphine - Stage 4 *Spoiler*

andyp

No tA Doctor wrote:

It's had a profound influence on German cycling, and on Tony Martin in particular.

Martin has often credited Heidegger's concept of Geworfenheit, literally thrown-ness, as the key to success to his time trialling excellence.

RichN95.

Oh look, it's a load of call centre workers trying show that the three years spent studying philosophy at Trent Poly wasn't a complete waste of time.

andyp

Manchester Poly actually.

PuttyKnees

RichN95 wrote:

Oh look, it's a load of call centre workers trying show that the three years spent studying philosophy at Trent Poly wasn't a complete waste of time.

But at least they're taking their experience stoically.

ddraver

RichN95 wrote:

Oh look, it's a load of call centre workers trying show that the three years spent studying philosophy at Trent Poly wasn't a complete waste of time.

yeah...YEAH!! Take that b1tches!! Go Rich Whooop!! :oops:

disgruntledgoat

RichN95 wrote:

Oh look, it's a load of call centre workers trying show that the three years spent studying philosophy at Trent Poly wasn't a complete waste of time.

Beautiful.

Hat to you sir. Hat

Mikey23

So when was this shown on Eurosport then? Had my sky box set up to record daily but its not there... Bah humbug

No_Ta_Doctor

RichN95 wrote:

Oh look, it's a load of call centre workers trying show that the three years spent studying philosophy at Trent Poly wasn't a complete waste of time.

Now now, Rich, some of us spent a LOT more than 3 years studying philosophy, and at proper universities too.

Press 1 if you'd like to retract your previous statement, press 2 if you'd like to back it with further argument, press 3 if you'd like to go back in time and become a philosophy student, press 4 if you'd like to speak directly to one of our call centre staff. Press 0 to hear the menu again.

RichN95.

ddraver wrote:

My dislike of Bertie is well known but (unlike someone) I have to apply the same rules to everyone. There is no way he's THAT bad so something must be up - allergies sounds about right. Yeah so ok he won't be freeing any dolphins this year but its meaningless for Le Tour

It has to be a concern for his fans though. In the years he won the Tour (including the DQ) he came 6th, 3rd and 2nd in the Dauphine and 5th & 6th in the TTs (he was 35th in 2007 so there's a scrap of hope).

I can imagine how his fans might react if the positions of him and Froome had been reversed.

Having said that, Nibali was poor in last year's Dauphine and things turned out OK for him at the Tour.

ddraver

RichN95 wrote:

I can imagine how his fans might react if the positions of him and Froome had been reversed.

You re 100% right, but you know, sometimes it's best to be adult about it. It means as much for Bertie's career as it did for Wiggins'

i.e. nothing (yet!)

No_Ta_Doctor

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

I can imagine how his fans might react if the positions of him and Froome had been reversed.

You re 100% right, but you know, sometimes it's best to be adult about it. It means as much for Bertie's career as it did for Wiggins'

i.e. nothing (yet!)

I don't think anyone will write him off on the basis of one shockingly poor TT. But he hasn't looked anything like the same rider since coming back from his ban. Even winning the Vuelta he didn't look like he could put in the digs like he used to. And so far this season he's been beaten fairly comfortably in every race so far.

ddraver

and long may it continue! :P

joelsim

No tA Doctor wrote:

ddraver wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

I can imagine how his fans might react if the positions of him and Froome had been reversed.

You re 100% right, but you know, sometimes it's best to be adult about it. It means as much for Bertie's career as it did for Wiggins'

i.e. nothing (yet!)

I don't think anyone will write him off on the basis of one shockingly poor TT. But he hasn't looked anything like the same rider since coming back from his ban. Even winning the Vuelta he didn't look like he could put in the digs like he used to. And so far this season he's been beaten fairly comfortably in every race so far.

Strange that! Pain y agua obviously doesn't prepare riders quite as well as a good old fashioned steak

georgethomas

Am I being unrealistic to have expected more from Geraint in this TT? It seems in line with his recent Rundfahrt performance, but I was hoping for better in that too, even if it was his first long TT effort in a while (as far as I know). A minute down on Dennis seems a relatively large gap, though I appreciate Geraint's been working in the previous stages and that Dennis has a strong track pedigree. Presumably they both experienced similar conditions and Geraint wasn't holding back?

Daz555

Milton50 wrote:

Such a predictable thread as usual.

So much for Martin being ill. It's a shame we haven't seen Wiggins v Martin when both are on top form yet. Maybe this year at the worlds.

What was wrong with Martin last year in the Olympics?

wombly_knees

He quit the Tour citing a broken wrist, no? Wouldn't have had much time for recovery.

Daz555

wombly knees wrote:

He quit the Tour citing a broken wrist, no? Wouldn't have had much time for recovery.

He broke his wrist on stage 1. He raced until stage 9 and then quit to rest and prepare for the Olympics TT.

There was nothing at all wrong with Martin in 2012.

Richmond Racer

georgethomas wrote:

Am I being unrealistic to have expected more from Geraint in this TT? It seems in line with his recent Rundfahrt performance, but I was hoping for better in that too, even if it was his first long TT effort in a while (as far as I know). A minute down on Dennis seems a relatively large gap, though I appreciate Geraint's been working in the previous stages and that Dennis has a strong track pedigree. Presumably they both experienced similar conditions and Geraint wasn't holding back?

I think rather than G riding a bad TT, it was far more a question of Dennis riding an exceptional one. G also put in a big shift for EBH's win the previous day, which might have taken a bit of a toll (who knows?) whereas as Rohan Dennis has said he himself was sheltered by Garmin all through St 3 to prepare him for the TT.

Interesting to note that G didnt get the new 'ribbed for special pleasure' Sky skinsuit that Froome and Porte were wearing, nor was he on the blingtastic Bolide (nor were any other Sky guys but Froome and Porte, for that matter).

frenchfighter

wombly_knees

Daz555 wrote:

wombly knees wrote:

He quit the Tour citing a broken wrist, no? Wouldn't have had much time for recovery.

He broke his wrist on stage 1. He raced until stage 9 and then quit to rest and prepare for the Olympics TT.

There was nothing at all wrong with Martin in 2012.

20 days for an injured wrist may not be enough depending on the extent of the injury. And to get in form? Most of last year was a bit of a write off for Martin, by his TT standards, for whatever reason much like Wiggins in 2010. I don't think it's a fair comparison.

andy_welch

Isn't the Dauphine traditionally when you'd get the blood withdrawn, ready for re-infusion on a Tour rest day? Maybe those days are behind us, but I'm always suspicious of anybody who has a poor Dauphine then is in fire in the Tour.

smithy21

^ Oh come on. Dont you know a ride affected by allergies when you see one! :roll:

Macaloon

frenchfighter wrote:

Divine. Add a touch of scarlet for the full Imperial Rising Sun effect.

knedlicky

wombly knees wrote:

Daz555 wrote:

wombly knees wrote:

He quit the Tour citing a broken wrist, no? Wouldn't have had much time for recovery.

He broke his wrist on stage 1. He raced until stage 9 and then quit to rest and prepare for the Olympics TT.
There was nothing at all wrong with Martin in 2012.

20 days for an injured wrist may not be enough depending on the extent of the injury. And to get in form? Most of last year was a bit of a write off for Martin, by his TT standards, for whatever reason much like Wiggins in 2010. I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Nothing at all wrong! Martin pulled out of the Tour to let the injury (4 separate breaks in the scaphoid bone) heal better. In the week up till his withdrawal he rode with a cast on his wrist.
He was still wearing a cast at the Olympic TT three weeks later.

A cast is normally required for a scaphoid injury for at least 6 weeks. Ask any cyclist or even David Beckham – a decade ago he had his wrist in plaster for 6-7 weeks when he had just one break in the scaphoid bone.
Martin only stayed in the Tour that long because of the TT, his strong point. The following stages were in the high mountains and the pulling on the handlebars he might have then done, would have been bad for the injury.

Wombly, you’re that most of last year was a bit of a write-off for Martin, but the summer didn’t get off to a good start when a car hit him early April. It seems he went through the windscreen, lost conciousness, broke his cheekbone, jaw and orbita (the bone around the eye socket), his cheekbone requiring an operation.

It’s a wonder he then only skipped the Tour de Romandie, and was back riding in 3 weeks. One interruption after another wouldn't have helped his form.

jimmythecuckoo

frenchfighter wrote:

It really is amazing how Sky can take average to good riders and turn them into World beaters in about 2 years.

#cynical.

above_the_cows

A scaphoid break is really complex and I can confirm hurts like hell. Often the breaks are not easy to detect and can require some pretty extreme forms of setting depending where you break it often removing all movement from the hand.

I won't tell you how I broke mine, it is really embarrassing as I didn't even crash or fall off.

wombly_knees

knedlicky wrote:

wombly knees wrote:

Daz555 wrote:

wombly knees wrote:

He quit the Tour citing a broken wrist, no? Wouldn't have had much time for recovery.

He broke his wrist on stage 1. He raced until stage 9 and then quit to rest and prepare for the Olympics TT.
There was nothing at all wrong with Martin in 2012.

20 days for an injured wrist may not be enough depending on the extent of the injury. And to get in form? Most of last year was a bit of a write off for Martin, by his TT standards, for whatever reason much like Wiggins in 2010. I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Nothing at all wrong! Martin pulled out of the Tour to let the injury (4 separate breaks in the scaphoid bone) heal better. In the week up till his withdrawal he rode with a cast on his wrist.
He was still wearing a cast at the Olympic TT three weeks later.

A cast is normally required for a scaphoid injury for at least 6 weeks. Ask any cyclist or even David Beckham – a decade ago he had his wrist in plaster for 6-7 weeks when he had just one break in the scaphoid bone.
Martin only stayed in the Tour that long because of the TT, his strong point. The following stages were in the high mountains and the pulling on the handlebars he might have then done, would have been bad for the injury.

Wombly, you’re that most of last year was a bit of a write-off for Martin, but the summer didn’t get off to a good start when a car hit him early April. It seems he went through the windscreen, lost conciousness, broke his cheekbone, jaw and orbita (the bone around the eye socket), his cheekbone requiring an operation.

It’s a wonder he then only skipped the Tour de Romandie, and was back riding in 3 weeks. One interruption after another wouldn't have helped his form.

Cheers, thought I'd imagined the cast in London and must admit that I completely forgot about his facial injuries. Not a good year with all the cars last year, think Dean was badly injured too.

frenchfighter

Macaloon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Divine. Add a touch of scarlet for the full Imperial Rising Sun effect.

TheBigBean

Tony Martin rode the Olympic TT at a normal pace for him - very slighty slower than Copenhagen the year before. The difference was simply that Wiggins put in a unbelievable performance and rode one of the fastest TTs in history.

Mad_Malx

Above The Cows wrote:

I won't tell you how I broke mine, it is really embarrassing as I didn't even crash or fall off.

Did it involve typing 'Feyerabend's anarchic dadaism'?

[I've been waiting 30 odd years to work that phrase into a conversation, only to be thwarted by Rich yesterday evening. This may be my best (albeit tenuous) opportunity]