Dauphine - Stage 4 *Spoiler*

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  • Walter White
    Walter White Posts: 238
    Has Bertie finshed yet? :lol:
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Macaloon wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Compare and contrast...

    World TT champ puts nearly 1 min into best of GC guys. If this had been last year's TT he would have relieved him of > 1.5 mins. Seems normal? The pity is that the only other GC guys anywhere near are in the same team as Froome. Desperate state of affairs. I mean is there something in J-Rod's physiology that prevents him being competitive in this discipline. Or does it hurt too much?

    Froome blasted the other GC contenders. Like relly blasted them.     Then Porte did more or less.

    Kwiatkowski is the only real contender that is right up there. Watch out for him as he loves to race and doesn`t need a team and a Plan and all that other *stuff* the others use.

    Should GC contenders really by losing 2 mins+ to Tony Martin? Pure climbers, yes. But not if you want to step onto the podium. Would Nibali be 2min+ down? doubt it. I think the other GC guys don't work hard enough at this skill.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Nibali lost 3.30 to Wiggins in the Dauphine TT last year (it was 52 km)

    Stage 4 Results
    GBR 1 WIGGINS, Bradley (SKY PROCYCLING) 1h 03' 12"
    GER 2 MARTIN, Tony (OMEGA PHARMA-QUICKSTEP) + 00' 34"
    AUS 3 ROGERS, Michael (SKY PROCYCLING) + 01' 11"
    NED 4 KELDERMAN, Wilco (RABOBANK) + 01' 25"
    FRA 5 CHAVANEL, Sylvain (OMEGA PHARMA-QUICKSTEP) + 01' 33"
    GBR 6 FROOME, Christopher (SKY PROCYCLING)
    AUS 7 DURBRIDGE, Luke (ORICA - GREENEDGE) + 01' 37"
    AUS 8 EVANS, Cadel (BMC RACING) + 01' 43"
    GBR 9 MILLAR, David (GARMIN-BARRACUDA) + 01' 51"
    ESP 10 SANCHEZ GIL, Luis Leon (RABOBANK) + 01' 53"
    BEL 11 VAN DEN BROECK, Jurgen (LOTTO BELISOL) + 02' 12"
    UKR 12 GRIVKO, Andriy (ASTANA) + 02' 16"
    USA 13 VAN GARDEREN, Tejay (BMC RACING) + 02' 28"
    BLR 14 SIVTSOV, Kanstantsin (SKY PROCYCLING)
    BLR 15 KIRYIENKA, Vasili (MOVISTAR) + 02' 30"
    SLO 16 BRAJKOVIC, Janez (ASTANA) + 02' 33"
    NOR 17 BOASSON HAGEN, Edvald (SKY PROCYCLING) + 02' 38"
    ESP 18 PLAZA MOLINA, Ruben (MOVISTAR) + 02' 39"
    FRA 19 COPPEL, Jerome (SAUR - SOJASUN) + 02' 49"
    CRC 20 AMADOR BAKKAZAKOVA, Andrey (MOVISTAR) + 02' 50"

    :roll:
    Contador is the Greatest
  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    ThomThom wrote:
    Why is Porte much more popular in here than Froome?
    The natural sympathy towards the inbred Tassie children. Nearle will be most liked next year along with Will Clarke.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Macaloon wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    Why is Porte much more popular in here than Froome?

    I think there's residual resentment at Froome's alleged displays of disloyalty to Britain's first TdF winner and National hero. He was also the Twitteratti's favourite while Wiggo was taking all the incoming doping fire. He also suffers from Zola Bud syndrome - ie not a real Brit.

    All of it complete b0llocks in my view. He's the kind of rider that, were he on another team or different nationality, most would be salivating over his explosive attacking riding. But then again perhaps more would be raising eyebrows at his 'sudden' emergence in mid-20s.

    #freePorte is just taking the p1ss out of those who thought it outrageous that he should be shackled to Wiggo's diesel last year (#freeFroome).

    I miss anything?

    I think that about sums it up.

    Personally I couldn't give a crap about Froome's alleged disloyalty or his being a 'plastic Brit' as I hate the term and think its a load of old Thierry Balzacqs. I really don't like the way French commentators insist on calling him 'The White Kenyan' as if you would call Usain Bolt 'The Black Jamaican', but I digress.

    There is at least for me also this highly intellectual and grown up reason:

    Froome looks like Tintin and Tintin is as annoying as a worn out chamois on a hot day.

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    And Porte looks like Penfold who for me brings back happy childhood memories.

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    Plus I have been told I have to like Porte by my husband who, because he thinks Porte looks like him and because he is also called Richard, Porte is de facto now his favourite rider.

    But really I don't dislike Froome at all and the #freePorte stuff is just poking fun.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    wombly knees wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    Why is Porte much more popular in here than Froome?
    The natural sympathy towards the inbred Tassie children. Nearle will be most liked next year along with Will Clarke.


    Or Taswegians, as Richtea termed them yday
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I quite like Froome.

    Porte. Meh. Indifferent.
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    Above The Cows wrote:
    #freePorte

    A Bahamian city and free trade zone located on the island of Grand Bahama of the northwest Bahamas.

    A fishing village at the end of Digby Neck on Long Island, Nova Scotia.The area is great for bird watching, beach combing, hiking trails, birds, whale watching, gift shops, accommodations, restaurants, and unique flora and fauna.

    Been to that one; saw some amazing humpback whales

    Anyway, back to the cycling...
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Such a predictable thread as usual.

    So much for Martin being ill. It's a shame we haven't seen Wiggins v Martin when both are on top form yet. Maybe this year at the worlds.
  • wombly_knees
    wombly_knees Posts: 657
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    wombly knees wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    Why is Porte much more popular in here than Froome?
    The natural sympathy towards the inbred Tassie children. Nearle will be most liked next year along with Will Clarke.


    Or Taswegians, as Richtea termed them yday
    Or two heads

    I'll get out before a Tasmanian comes around.
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    I like Porte but mainly 'cos I chatted to him briefly after last year's TdF and he seemed a decent unassuming bloke. I haven't chatted to Froome so I can't make that comparison but I think he comes across as fairly normal on TV interviews (my perception) - more that can be said for his gf who comes across as a total nightmare - I can only speculate what her redeeming features must be.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    I spent years defending Froome's spot on the Sky team, and jumped up and down a lot when he won on Pena Cabarga, and then Belles Filles. But, I think spending so much of July last year defending Wiggins against those who said Froome would have been a more deserving winner seems to have soured me a bit; not Froome's fault at all.

    I like Porte a lot. I'll be happy with either of them winning.
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    Why does it have to be Froome OR Porte? Wiggins OR Froome? Is this some sort of British Coe vs Ovett syndrome?

    I remember as a kid supporting both Rooks AND Theunisse (although I became a cycling snob soon and decided they were too mainstream, so supported Fabio Parra instead).
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    FJS wrote:
    Why does it have to be Froome OR Porte? Wiggins OR Froome? Is this some sort of British Coe vs Ovett syndrome? .

    It doesn't but so much western ontology is based on this form of Manichean dualism.

    (That's especially for you ddraver :wink: )
    Correlation is not causation.
  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    frenchfighter wrote:
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    Can we get one of Porte passing Contador?
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Froome and Porte both lack personality. Don't dislike either in the same sense that I don't dislike baked beans. They taste ok but they are a bit boring.
    http://www.twitter.com/InTheGC http://www.InTheGC.com http://www.facebook.com/intheGC
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    10 pages?

    I guess Cav didn't win.....
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Track hero of long-standing who, after showing unexpected promise in first serious tour, falls apart only to thrillingly rise from the ashes in glorious fashion to become the nation's first TdF champion, despite his regular upbringing and the odd bout of indiscipline VS a Chrissy-come-lately who, after a plucky Vuelta podium in loyal service to his master, viciously exposed master's weaknesses in the Tour, earning the cheers of the doperati for his treachery, while in possession of an exotic background.

    It's more Covett than the original. But completely understandable.
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Nibali lost 3.30 to Wiggins in the Dauphine TT last year (it was 52 km)
    :roll:

    Yep that part of the case falls apart. Even with his Giro improvement it seems unlikely that he'd be within 2 mins. It also shows how below par Wiggo was in the Giro TT. "Best numbers ever" 8)
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It doesn't but so much western ontology is based on this form of Manichean dualism.

    (That's especially for you ddraver :wink: )

    I was looking forward to one of these to see how it holds up under your new avatar. Well-matched.
    ...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    TailWindHome wrote:
    10 pages?

    I guess Cav didn't win.....

    That was a Tour spoiler: well at least the narrow GC mano-a-mano battle bit. Pity.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Macaloon wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It doesn't but so much western ontology is based on this form of Manichean dualism.

    (That's especially for you ddraver :wink: )

    I was looking forward to one of these to see how it holds up under your new avatar. Well-matched.

    The new avatar does lend a certain gravitas it must be said. :D
    Correlation is not causation.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    Macaloon wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It doesn't but so much western ontology is based on this form of Manichean dualism.

    (That's especially for you ddraver :wink: )

    I was looking forward to one of these to see how it holds up under your new avatar. Well-matched.

    Have I missed a discussion of ontology? Damn. I could have brought up Heidegger's seminal work, Being and Time-Trialing.
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Have I missed a discussion of ontology? Damn. I could have brought up Heidegger's seminal work, Being and Time-Trialing.

    Take it to the Unusual Facts About Philosophers thread mate :roll:
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    Macaloon wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Have I missed a discussion of ontology? Damn. I could have brought up Heidegger's seminal work, Being and Time-Trialing.

    Take it to the Unusual Facts About Philosophers thread mate :roll:

    It's had a profound influence on German cycling, and on Tony Martin in particular.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Macaloon wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Have I missed a discussion of ontology? Damn. I could have brought up Heidegger's seminal work, Being and Time-Trialing.

    Take it to the Unusual Facts About Philosophers thread mate :roll:

    I hear Tim Kerrison is a big fan of Nietzsche's The Will to Power.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Macaloon wrote:
    Above The Cows wrote:
    It doesn't but so much western ontology is based on this form of Manichean dualism.

    (That's especially for you ddraver :wink: )

    I was looking forward to one of these to see how it holds up under your new avatar. Well-matched.

    One day I'm taking you on a geology field trip and I'm not going to tell you anything that's happening!!! :cry::cry:
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    My dislike of Bertie is well known but (unlike someone) I have to apply the same rules to everyone. There is no way he's THAT bad so something must be up - allergies sounds about right. Yeah so ok he won't be freeing any dolphins this year but its meaningless for Le Tour

    Oh and btw, Euronews keeps showing a loop of Tunisian Women who have been freed from prison (my fench is nt good enough to keep up - something to do with a feminist protest I think) who keep flashing their boobies....it's very distracting!!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    ddraver wrote:
    Oh and btw, Euronews keeps showing a loop of Tunisian Women who have been freed from prison (my fench is nt good enough to keep up - something to do with a feminist protest I think) who keep flashing their boobies....it's very distracting!!

    Femen?
    ddraver wrote:
    One day I'm taking you on a geology field trip and I'm not going to tell you anything that's happening!!! :cry::cry:

    That's going to be a looooooong field trip, geological time being a bit slow and all that. Can we have cheese sandwiches and orange juice in a carton? It'll be just like a school trip to Cheddar Gorge then. :D
    Correlation is not causation.
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    Froome and Porte both lack personality. Don't dislike either in the same sense that I don't dislike baked beans. They taste ok but they are a bit boring.

    Thats the thing. Its not enough to be really good at what you do, you also have to be a "personality". Wiggins and Cavendish are personalities because they are tetchy, or difficult, or mouthy or interesting (you pick) Just shows, you cant please all of the people all of the time.
    The way I look at top level sport is, they are ordinary people who can do extraordinary things. Nothing more.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Above The Cows wrote:
    FJS wrote:
    Why does it have to be Froome OR Porte? Wiggins OR Froome? Is this some sort of British Coe vs Ovett syndrome? .

    It doesn't but so much western ontology is based on this form of Manichean dualism.

    (That's especially for you ddraver :wink: )

    Outstanding chat.

    Spot on.

    Sounds like I'm not the only one who's done some post colonial Said inspired theory.
    _

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