Giro Stage 4 - Spoiler Thread

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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    frenchfighter wrote:
    dish_dash wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Oh yes, going to get some more Di Luca shots for the album. In fluro too.

    Please post when you get them...

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    Awesome thanks! Looking forward to more fluoro-crazy moves over the next couple of weeks...
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Daz555 wrote:
    Not a good day for Wiggo, but then again to be fair it is his first bad day in a GT for about 24 stages.

    I'm sure he and his team are irritated that they have now lost the time they gained from the TTT but from a GC perspective it just resets the clock. All level at the top.

    To be fair, he hasn't lost anything on his major rivals. They've gained a little, tiny amount on him (enough to cancel out the very short TTT). He's 5s behind Nibali and 2 behind Hesjedal. Everyone saying how well Evans is going and he's another 8s back.
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  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    That is pretty good for Evans considering he's not done anything for ages, looked strong so far though
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Daz555 wrote:
    Not a good day for Wiggo, but then again to be fair it is his first bad day in a GT for about 24 stages.

    I'm sure he and his team are irritated that they have now lost the time they gained from the TTT but from a GC perspective it just resets the clock. All level at the top.

    To be fair, he hasn't lost anything on his major rivals. They've gained a little, tiny amount on him (enough to cancel out the very short TTT). He's 5s behind Nibali and 2 behind Hesjedal. Everyone saying how well Evans is going and he's another 8s back.


    Wiggo's 3 secs behind Nibbles, and on ST as Ryder.


    GC standings:

    1 - Luca Paolini (ITA) - Katyusha - (15:18:51)

    2 - Rigoberto Urán (COL) - Team Sky - (+17)

    3 - Beñat Intxausti (ESP) - Movistar - (+26)

    4 - Vincenzo Nibali (ITA) - Astana - (+31)

    5 - Ryder Hesjedal (CAN) - Garmin - (+34)

    6 - Bradley Wiggins - Team Sky - (+34)

    7 - Giampaolo Caruso (ITA) - Katyusha - (+36)

    8 - Sergio Henao (COL) - Team Sky - (+37)

    9 - Mauro Santambrogio (ITA) - Vini Fantini - (+39)

    10 - Cadel Evans (AUS) - BMC Racing - (+42)
  • prawny
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    greasedscotsman wrote:
    I blame Di2.

    I blame Wiggle.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    @RR

    My bad, must have looked at the wrong lines on the CN standings.
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    I really wouldn't get excited about the time gap at the top - 10 secs is nothing and can be gained/lost in the blink of an eye.

    Wait until Wiggins gets to a sustained period of difficult climbs to judge how he and the team are doing in relation to everyone else.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    What a quaint sport. A top favourite unexpectedly loses time and nobody knows if it was a hold-up, a screw-up, or a blow-up. How the hell are we to plot informed PTP campaigns? :P
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  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    What’s the definition of crashing?

    If there was a crash in front that held up Wiggins, or whoever, but they just got held up they lose time. What if Wiggins had ploughed into the guy on the floor, thus crashing, presumably he wouldn’t lose time then? So what if he saw the crash and had to put his foot down to avoid falling over/crashing, is that not a crash? What if he saw the crash slowed down and then fell over on purpose, would hat count?

    There is a valid argument that to avoid crashing you shouldn’t be at the back, but also if there is a crash within 3km you shouldn’t be punished for being alert and not crashing yourself?
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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    Some good photos on steephill from yday
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    dish_dash wrote:
    Awesome thanks! Looking forward to more fluoro-crazy moves over the next couple of weeks...

    You`re welcome.

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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    prawny wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    I blame Di2.

    I blame Wiggle.

    No wait, I blame those sneaky colombians!

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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    pb21 wrote:
    What’s the definition of crashing?

    There is a valid argument that to avoid crashing you shouldn’t be at the back, but also if there is a crash within 3km you shouldn’t be punished for being alert and not crashing yourself?

    Let's remember that this is Commissaires we're talking about here. Since when has logic ever come into their decision making ?
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    If there was a crash in front that held up Wiggins, or whoever, but they just got held up they lose time. What if Wiggins had ploughed into the guy on the floor, thus crashing, presumably he wouldn’t lose time then? So what if he saw the crash and had to put his foot down to avoid falling over/crashing, is that not a crash? What if he saw the crash slowed down and then fell over on purpose, would hat count?

    I thought it was quite straightforward. You don't loose time to whoever you're with if there's an incident in the last 3k. Obviously if you're in he laughing group and fall off you don't then get the same time as the winner :D
    Wiggins was supposedly already gapped as they hit the final 3k.
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    dsoutar wrote:
    pb21 wrote:
    What’s the definition of crashing?

    There is a valid argument that to avoid crashing you shouldn’t be at the back, but also if there is a crash within 3km you shouldn’t be punished for being alert and not crashing yourself?
    Let's remember that this is Commissaires we're talking about here. Since when has logic ever come into their decision making ?
    The rule is that “the rider(s) involved shall be credited with the time of the group in whose company he was (they were) when the accident occurred”,

    ... so you also need to have a definition for what is exactly meant with “involved”.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    prawny wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    I blame Di2.
    I blame Wiggle.
    No wait, I blame those sneaky colombians!
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sk ... ithin-team
    I’m surprised nobody has yet blamed the missing sideboards.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    knedlicky wrote:
    I’m surprised nobody has yet blamed the missing sideboards.

    Sideboards?

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  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    He'd definitely be more aero without one of those on the side of his head...
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  • FoldingJoe
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    Just been reported on ES that the organisers checked the times from the transponders as they passed through 3km and Wiggins had dropped back from the main group, which is why he wasn't given the same time.

    Apparently Sky appealed but it was rejected.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    DeadCalm here`s your boy:
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    frenchfighter wrote:
    DeadCalm here`s your boy:
    Awesome. Thanks FF.
  • goonz
    goonz Posts: 3,106
    He needs to shave his arms...

    I may be in the minority here but I find Wiggins an extremely boring rider. I know GC contenders just need to get to the finish line safely but where are the attacks? Some show of strength on a hill? Nothing to suggest he could get anywhere without his train. TT are pretty boring imo as a race stage, at least Cadel and Nibali and Hesjedel gave it some.
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  • Paul 8v
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    It's not worth risking it at this stage, let the luminous nutters (Who are awesome by the way) provide the entertainment at this stage.
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    goonz wrote:
    He needs to shave his arms...

    I may be in the minority here but I find Wiggins an extremely boring rider. I know GC contenders just need to get to the finish line safely but where are the attacks? Some show of strength on a hill? Nothing to suggest he could get anywhere without his train. TT are pretty boring imo as a race stage, at least Cadel and Nibali and Hesjedel gave it some.
    Why on earth would Wiggins attack on the stages we have seen so far?
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    Daz555 wrote:
    goonz wrote:
    He needs to shave his arms...

    I may be in the minority here but I find Wiggins an extremely boring rider. I know GC contenders just need to get to the finish line safely but where are the attacks? Some show of strength on a hill? Nothing to suggest he could get anywhere without his train. TT are pretty boring imo as a race stage, at least Cadel and Nibali and Hesjedel gave it some.
    Why on earth would Wiggins attack on the stages we have seen so far?

    If he deliberately wanted to throw the race away so he could focus on the tour? :wink:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Wiggins is a certain type of rider. He rides to his strengths - and his Sky teams have to ride to those strengths. You're unlikely to see him go on an attack 6km out as per Froome at CI. He's said he knows what he can and cant do - and he knows that he cant put in those kinds of attacks.

    People who dont care for TTs or who dont see or get anything out of strength in controlled, measured racing, wont care for him as a rider. That's it really.

    Anyways...back to St 4 and that time gap...in his words this is what happened:

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/ ... ult_285590
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    goonz wrote:
    He needs to shave his arms...

    I may be in the minority here but I find Wiggins an extremely boring rider. I know GC contenders just need to get to the finish line safely but where are the attacks? Some show of strength on a hill? Nothing to suggest he could get anywhere without his train. TT are pretty boring imo as a race stage, at least Cadel and Nibali and Hesjedel gave it some.

    He is pretty boring, but it can also be argued that due to his superiority of his TT, he doesn't really need to attack. Maybe if he needed to make up time he might give it a go.

    The comments I can never understand (which you're not making) are those saying he should go out and win races on his own and not hide behind his team - but in the TTs that's exactly what he does.
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