Paris-Nice 2013 Stage 5 **SPOILER**

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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    deejay wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.
    Come now, two different races.
    Today was the "Sky Tempo" race compared with the long solo attack.
    So where did the timing take place to be able to compare, please

    I'm not sure what you think I was suggesting.

    2013:13,8 km@6,6%---34:45---average speed 23.83 km/h(Richie Porte)
    2009:13,8 km@6,6%---33:52---average speed 24.45 km/h(Alberto Contador)
    ---34:50---average speed 23.77 km/h(F.Schleck-L.L.Sanchez)

    was posted on that other forum : http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    deejay wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.
    Come now, two different races.
    Today was the "Sky Tempo" race compared with the long solo attack.
    So where did the timing take place to be able to compare, please

    Just for notes on Contador's climb:

    He attacked from the base to break up the opposition after Jens and Euskaltel turned it up. He attacked again with 5km to go and went solo from there. There was also a headwind.
    http://www.letour.fr/2009/PNC/LIVE/us/6 ... etape.html
    Contador bonked hard the next day and lost a packet.
    http://www.letour.fr/2009/PNC/LIVE/us/7 ... etape.html
    The next day he attacked from a long way out and came second on the stage but with not much of a gap.
    http://www.letour.fr/2009/PNC/LIVE/us/8 ... etape.html

    Beautiful three days of racing.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Turfle wrote:
    deejay wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.
    Come now, two different races.
    Today was the "Sky Tempo" race compared with the long solo attack.
    So where did the timing take place to be able to compare, please

    I'm not sure what you think I was suggesting.

    2013:13,8 km@6,6%---34:45---average speed 23.83 km/h(Richie Porte)
    2009:13,8 km@6,6%---33:52---average speed 24.45 km/h(Alberto Contador)
    ---34:50---average speed 23.77 km/h(F.Schleck-L.L.Sanchez)

    was posted on that other forum : http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/

    Has anyone done some W/kg stuff?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Macaloon wrote:

    Having checked his Romandie TT, he should have been in with a shout here: losing 1s to Wiggins (who had chain mechanical), and taking 17s from Porte (who may not have been fighting for a podium spot?). I like this racing without radios.

    What racing without radios was that?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Jez mon wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    deejay wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.
    Come now, two different races.
    Today was the "Sky Tempo" race compared with the long solo attack.
    So where did the timing take place to be able to compare, please

    I'm not sure what you think I was suggesting.

    2013:13,8 km@6,6%---34:45---average speed 23.83 km/h(Richie Porte)
    2009:13,8 km@6,6%---33:52---average speed 24.45 km/h(Alberto Contador)
    ---34:50---average speed 23.77 km/h(F.Schleck-L.L.Sanchez)

    was posted on that other forum : http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/

    Has anyone done some W/kg stuff?

    Only one I can see is from twitter:

    vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily
    La Montagne de Lure (13.8 km, 6.46 %, 892 m). Richie Porte: 34 min 44 sec, 23.84 Kph, VAM 1541 m/h, 5.82 W/kg.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Sounds like I am going to enjoy watching the re-run of this race later. Really glad for Porte. He's done so much work for others and some were doubting whether he could take on a leader's role. Sounds like it was a pretty emphatic performance.
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    iainf72 wrote:
    What racing without radios was that?

    The racing where 2nd place celebrated the win, or where the GC leader embarked on risky attacking manhoovers losing unnecessary time...

    [For some reason I thought rider/car radio was banned except for GTs. I take it they're in use for all WT races? Are they banned anywhere?]
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  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    What an excellent bit of racing that was ...
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Mikey23 wrote:
    What an excellent bit of racing that was ...

    Absolutely, what a great last few km that was. Great to see a selection of riders having a dig at different times. masterful timing by Porte.
    @JaunePeril

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    Commentator (Harmon?) on Eurosport near had a stroke at the tactics of the other GC contenders after Porte had gone.

    I can see his point. For all the talk of being "prepared to lose in order to win" it was stupid not to work together to limit Porte's time gain. The stage was already lost.

    Also the Sky train wasn't that effective in shedding GC contenders today. Probably due to it being the second string rather than the full monty.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Macaloon wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    What racing without radios was that?

    The racing where 2nd place celebrated the win, or where the GC leader embarked on risky attacking manhoovers losing unnecessary time...

    [For some reason I thought rider/car radio was banned except for GTs. I take it they're in use for all WT races? Are they banned anywhere?]


    They're allowed in WT races.

    Roma Maxima isnt WT.

    So basically you enjoyed a race today with race radios. Not bad, was it :wink:
  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    I was seduced by the improvisational riding from Talansky, and then the track-standing chasers. Precisely the opposite instructions that would be coming from cars?
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Well, this was better than Terrible-Adriatico, but great it was not.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Macaloon wrote:
    I was seduced by the improvisational riding from Talansky, and then the track-standing chasers. Precisely the opposite instructions that would be coming from cars?


    Despite what some seem to think, the DS's arent barking orders every single second of the race into every rider's ear. Riders do actually make some calls themselves in reaction to what's happening on the road around them at the time, plus how they're feeling, what signs they're picking up from the other riders re how they're feeling etc (no DS in the car can be aware of that like the rider on the road is)
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=J-fIDBnhLKY

    Closing stages here (for iPad anyway).
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Well, this was better than Terrible-Adriatico, but great it was not.

    ^this, as queen stages go, that was boring as sh*t. What everybody thought they were doing in the last 2km I don't know.

    Hope Tirreno's queenstage tomorrow is better than that.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Good old fashioned Ali style 'rope a dope' tactics but Porte did well to drop all the others too. It was nice to see Talansky try the best form of defence is attack approach but I'm sure he learnt something today.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    That was a good finish. Well done to Porte - cool head.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    "You never win a game unless you beat the guy in front of you. The score on the board doesn't mean a thing. That's for the fans. You've got to win the war with the man in front of you. You've got to get your man"

    Vince Lombardi
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • jane90
    jane90 Posts: 149
    Wow, I'm loving watching this race and wondering why I hadn't discovered this sport sooner!

    Just reading through the comments here, I'm slightly confused about the whole "panache" issue - are there any points or time bonuses awarded for riding style (number of attacks, etc)?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    jane90 wrote:
    Wow, I'm loving watching this race and wondering why I hadn't discovered this sport sooner!

    Just reading through the comments here, I'm slightly confused about the whole "panache" issue - are there any points or time bonuses awarded for riding style (number of attacks, etc)?

    Some stage races offer a daily 'Combativity' award/jersey. This tends to go to the protagonist of the days long break or occasionally to a rider who has finished the stage in spite of accident or injury.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,182
    Only FrenchFighter can decide on panache.

    When a rider has both panache and wins, FF awards the status of True Champion (TM). Especially if you are Spanish.

    :wink:
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    The Panache/Cheat graph

    Panache is....
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • jane90
    jane90 Posts: 149
    Ah, I see. Thank you for the replies, I should have done a forum search, I suppose. It was a genuine question, I wasn't trying to start a debate. So if I understand the other thread correctly, a rider with panache is not only concerned with winning, but winning by putting on a show for the public, even though that minimises his or her chances of putting in their best time or even winning at all?

    And the combativity jersey is just an honorific title or does it mean anything more?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    jane90 wrote:
    And the combativity jersey is just an honorific title or does it mean anything more?


    Gets the sponsors name onto the podium.
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  • FransJacques
    FransJacques Posts: 2,148
    France is always beautiful as ever.

    But how bad is Garmin? no help for Talansky at all.

    Unimpressive from a team who'd surely state that they are the equals of Sky or Movistar.

    Under-performing...
    When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    jane90 wrote:
    a rider with panache is not only concerned with winning, but winning by putting on a show for the public, even though that minimises his or her chances of putting in their best time or even winning at all?

    This is a fairly good description.

    I would also add that a rider with flair is prepared to gamble everything for the win and cannot sit back and ride wheels.

    I am glad you are enjoying the sport so far. It is different when you have a team like Sky in the mix shutting everything down (see my comments in Tirreno Adriatico thread page 8).

    I would strongly suggest watching some of the one day races and classics. Very exciting and typically deserving winners, based on their own merit and class.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Richie Porte: “I just won a stage in Paris-Nice. I’ve got my lion. I always wanted that”.

    You would have got that a lot sooner in another team.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Richie Porte: “I just won a stage in Paris-Nice. I’ve got my lion. I always wanted that”.

    You would have got that a lot sooner in another team.

    You reckon? He did some good TT's with Saxo, managed to get in the right break in 2010 Giro but aside from that?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Richie Porte: “I just won a stage in Paris-Nice. I’ve got my lion. I always wanted that”.

    You would have got that a lot sooner in another team.

    Wasn't last season his first with Sky in which case 'a lot sooner' would appear to be an exaggeration :?

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