Paris-Nice 2013 Stage 5 **SPOILER**

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  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Cleat Eastwood wrote:
    brilliant stuff - man of the match for me is svitsov - kept it nice and steady for porte. TvG 52 secs back now

    Hmm I have TvG for the PTP overall - too big an ask for such a short course on Sunday methinks.
  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    edited March 2013
    What i don't get is that Talansky is a very strong Time-Trialist so he had no reason to try and gain any time on anyone else. Once he'd attacked the first time he should have reverted to being defensive.
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  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    Ron- TJVG was 29 secs better than Porte last year on the final TT so probably too much to do. Plus Porte will have something to ride for this year.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Cleat Eastwood wrote:
    وقف ترجمة لي

    Who keeps translating/interpreting you?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Great work by Porte, happy for him. If he had legs that good he should go with 3km to go though.
    He was waiting for Talansky to punch himself out though.
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    EKIMIKE wrote:
    What i don't get is that Talansky is a very strong Time-Trialist so he had no reason to try and gain any time on anyone else. Once he'd attacked the first time he should have reverted to being defensive.
    a) lost his mind
    b) thinks Porte/TVG will clean his clock in a TT
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  • smithy21
    smithy21 Posts: 2,204
    EKIMIKE wrote:
    What i don't get is that Talansky is a very strong Time-Trialist so he had no reason to try and gain any time on anyone else. Once he'd attacked the first time he should have reverted to being defensive.

    Agree with this.

    Disgruntledgoat called it. Lost his head in the last 5km.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Talansky got taken to school there. Started the major attacking among the top favourites, let the gap go with Porte and then was left to do what he could to close it by his more experienced competitors. I think he'll definitely learn from that.

    Do you make it your mission to disagree with 95% of what I say.

    Either that or you are a closet Sky fan.

    Just an fyi - Talansky is a rider after the Greats. He is not from the Sky mould. Like I say, he is one for the fans. I've seen him race a decent amount and he doesn't suck wheels or ride tempo - he leads from the front.
    EKIMIKE wrote:
    It was actually nice to see the leader give it something rather than just sit in and defend - wise or not.

    It was damn boring until Talansky went. Great from that point onwards. Porte very measured until he went - no show boating or 'looks'. Well ridden.

    Check, check.
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  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    edited March 2013
    I agree with a) but b) is ridiculous when you look at last years mountain TT at Romandie.

    FWIW i think TVG will be off Porte and Talansky's pace on Col d'Eze. Sure he's strong over the big TT's but he has no history for mountain TT's and he's not the best climber unless he's on top, top form.

    In fact TVG couldn't hit top 10 last year on Col d'Eze but finished 5th on GC. I think he'll make top 10 this year but struggle to make in-roads on top 5.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Perhaps he wasn't feeling great and did a Badger?

    Or he was fed up with people on BR being critical of his spot on tactics so decided to go Full Voeckler?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Talansky got taken to school there. Started the major attacking among the top favourites, let the gap go with Porte and then was left to do what he could to close it by his more experienced competitors. I think he'll definitely learn from that.

    Do you make it your mission to disagree with 95% of what I say.

    Either that or you are a closet Sky fan.

    Just an fyi - Talansky is a rider after the Greats. He is not from the Sky mould. Like I say, he is one for the fans. I've seen him race a decent amount and he doesn't suck wheels or ride tempo - he leads from the front.
    EKIMIKE wrote:
    It was actually nice to see the leader give it something rather than just sit in and defend - wise or not.

    It was damn boring until Talansky went. Great from that point onwards. Porte very measured until he went - no show boating or 'looks'. Well ridden.

    Check, check.

    Nope it happens naturally.

    I agree with you that he is a great rider, but he needs to learn that the majority of stage races are won by accumulating small amounts of time and then defending them, not acts of derring do.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Guys, you can discuss this later - TA has 5km to go.
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    frenchfighter wrote:
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Talansky got taken to school there. Started the major attacking among the top favourites, let the gap go with Porte and then was left to do what he could to close it by his more experienced competitors. I think he'll definitely learn from that.

    Do you make it your mission to disagree with 95% of what I say.
    Maybe there is a message for you there.

    Mindless attacking fails to achieve end result, again. Good for Talansky's endorsements but not his palmares.
    Yes he made it 'exciting' to watch, but no more 'fascinating' than a defensive duel would have been.

    Clearly he's a strong rider, but poor tactics today (and I'm not even sure that you need hindsight to see that).
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Dude, just dont bother replying to me and trying to teach me lessons, you are getting really boring and are not even right.

    I don't watch this sport for the results. Get that into your head.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Dude, just dont bother replying to me and trying to teach me lessons, you are getting really boring and are not even right.

    I don't watch this sport for the results. Get that into your head.

    You say what you see in a race, I say what I see, no need for antagonism.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    frenchfighter wrote:
    I don't watch this sport for the results.
    You surely understand that it's a fairly important part of sport, though.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Dude, just dont bother replying to me and trying to teach me lessons, you are getting really boring and are not even right.

    I don't watch this sport for the results. Get that into your head.

    You say what you see in a race, I say what I see, no need for antagonism.

    Go through Nic's posts and looks at what he has said to me over time. Then address your comments to him. Or say nothing. Cheers.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    I have neither time or inclination to do that. I thought you were addressing me.

    Cheerfully withdrawn
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Nope not you. Me and you have history. And I'm fine with it. We are still here. We can hardly agree on anything but that makes life more interesting.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Nope not you. Me and you have history. And I'm fine with it. We are still here. We can hardly agree on anything but that makes life more interesting.

    I love you too man
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    edited March 2013
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Dude, just dont bother replying to me and trying to teach me lessons, you are getting really boring and are not even right.

    I don't watch this sport for the results. Get that into your head.

    Right... and I do. I am interested in a combination of the spectacle, the tactics and the end result.
    We have a difference in opinion. Get used to it.

    What drives me nuts are your incredibly pompous decrees dictating who and what we are all allowed to enjoy. Who made you the forum patron anyway?
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Brilliant from Porte. Bit disappointed in Quintana.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    nic_77 wrote:
    What drives me nuts are your incredibly pompous decrees dictating who and what we are all allowed to enjoy. Who made you the forum patron anyway?

    Wrong. Enjoy who the hell you like. Let me do the same. Simple.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,548
    I'm becoming more and more convinced that frenchfighter is some intelligent web bot software developed by some very clever software geeks to drive up forum usage, thus attracting more advertising revenue.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    andyp wrote:
    I'm becoming more and more convinced that frenchfighter is some intelligent web bot software developed by some very clever software geeks to drive up forum usage, thus attracting more advertising revenue.
    Nah. He's just French, isn't he
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Turfle wrote:
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.

    But faster than Frank Schleck's.
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    Evidence that Talansky may not have been of sound mind late on today, from JV's Twitter:

    Vaughters: You can't take the pitbull out of the pitbull.
    laurenstendam: @Vaughters liked it. But if he just stayed in the wheel he would never be dropped. But like his style.
    Vaughters: @laurenstendam I know, man... I know.

    Having checked his Romandie TT, he should have been in with a shout here: losing 1s to Wiggins (who had chain mechanical), and taking 17s from Porte (who may not have been fighting for a podium spot?). I like this racing without radios.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    Turfle wrote:
    Evidently Porte's was 53 seconds slower than Contador's 2009 ascent.
    Come now, two different races.
    Today was the "Sky Tempo" race compared with the long solo attack.
    So where did the timing take place to be able to compare, please
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