Michael Pinchen

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  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    Right but in the fairness of some sort of mediation as others have tried to do you are in agreement to send the 105 back to him & he will send you the DA?

    If yes then send it back to him at the address he has given you as he has said that you can do this & he has assured you on this forum that he will hold up his end of the bargain.

    If he doesn't then it will look very bad on him indeed but I think most people that have commented on this forum & both you and the seller have in a round about way got an agreement that you send it the 105 back and he will send you the DA so I see no reason why he would not as he has confirmed it twice.
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    So he did give you an address. FFS man which is it.

    Send it back and see what arrives back to you.
  • berni
    berni Posts: 137
    it's not a real address as I have explained, he is also seems pretty untrustworthy, you are right though, I'll send it back, worst that can happen is a few quid down and no cassette at all!
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    did he ship the bike to you or did you collect?
  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    berni wrote:
    it's not a real address as I have explained, he is also seems pretty untrustworthy, you are right though, I'll send it back, worst that can happen is a few quid down and no cassette at all!

    Why is it not a real address? The seller has stated on this thread that he has given you an address to return it the 105 too & that upon receipt he will send out the DA.

    I feel like I am missing something maybe, but after re-reading the whole thread if you cut out all the BS the seller has agreed and confirmed you have an address to return the items too on 2 occasions.
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • welshkev
    welshkev Posts: 9,690
    berni wrote:
    it's not a real address as I have explained, he is also seems pretty untrustworthy, you are right though, I'll send it back, worst that can happen is a few quid down and no cassette at all!

    just for balance, i regulary give people my work address as i'm never at home to recieve stuff and it's a PITA to go to the post office to pick it up.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    Misuse of this section of the forum really. I wouldn't deal with Berni after reading this so maybe change thread title?
  • ooermissus
    ooermissus Posts: 811
    Also some of the statements border on the libellous.
  • theboyDonald
    theboyDonald Posts: 219
    Surely it is the sellers prob to ensure the buyer is happy with the deal? So send the DA and ask nicely for the 105 back. Or backed up by your mates on here,try and feck him around for a bit longer, Libel...genius!
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    Under normal circumstances of course but the buyer does seem very aggressive what with threatening legal action etc.

    PS don't know anyone involved here.
  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    theboyDonald wrote:
    Surely it is the sellers prob to ensure the buyer is happy with the deal?

    I don't know whether I agree with you or not there.

    None of us really know the in's and out's of what was or was not said by either side & to be honest you could argue either way who is in the right or wrong.

    Personally I don't know the buyer or seller and can see points for supporting either side. As I don't feel it too unreasonable in a private (don't forget we are not talking a commercial entity the likes of Wiggle, Chain Reaction) sale to ask a buyer to send something back and upon receipt would post out another part, though conversely I know some sellers/buyers that would do it the other way round. To be honest I don't think there is a hard and fast rule and its part of buying ANY item privately wether from BR or from your local paper.

    Clearly the buyer & seller won't be sending each other christmas cards & emails have been sent aplenty, but hopefully this should now be someway to being sorted.
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • welshkev
    welshkev Posts: 9,690
    FWIW i don't know either of them either
  • berni
    berni Posts: 137
    I have returned the 105 cassette to him at my own expense and sent him an email. No response from him so will see what happens. My rather aggressive attitude stemmed from his letting me know after the sale that the dura ace cassette had been improved to a used, but slightly newer 105 cassette, not sure about that as I would imagine that wouldn't work as well with the existing drivetrain. Let's see what happens now
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    Good man its up to the seller now to come good.
  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    berni wrote:
    I have returned the 105 cassette to him at my own expense and sent him an email. No response from him so will see what happens. My rather aggressive attitude stemmed from his letting me know after the sale that the dura ace cassette had been improved to a used, but slightly newer 105 cassette, not sure about that as I would imagine that wouldn't work as well with the existing drivetrain. Let's see what happens now


    Well done mate, its now up to the seller to uphold their reputation & as others before me also pushed for a fair compromise I'm sure the he will do as he has said he will.

    Think we have all been in a similar position when purchasing and not happy with some small part of the deal. However you have purchased a good bike for the price, I too had a look at the ad when it first went up. In not to short a time you can be out enjoying your new bike :lol:
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • 97th choice
    97th choice Posts: 2,222
    So buyer now has an unuseable bike until the seller bothers to forward the correct cassette? Seems wrong to me.
    Too-ra-loo-ra, too-ra-loo-rye, aye

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  • danlikesbikes
    danlikesbikes Posts: 3,898
    97th choice wrote:
    So buyer now has an unuseable bike until the seller bothers to forward the correct cassette? Seems wrong to me.

    I don't think anyone is saying it is right or wrong. If others had suggested that the seller send out the DA cassette first you could easily say"....... and the seller has to wait for an unhappy buyer to bother to return the 105 you could easily say and meanwhile the seller is out of pocket"
    Pain hurts much less if its topped off with beating your mates to top of a climb.
  • aidso
    aidso Posts: 493
    If he is sending you pictures of his Caravan/Van can you not extract the EXIF data from the image, get the GPS location, go to said GPS location, look for van and then have a chat with him in person? Simples :)
  • welshkev
    welshkev Posts: 9,690
    aidso wrote:
    If he is sending you pictures of his Caravan/Van can you not extract the EXIF data from the image, get the GPS location, go to said GPS location, look for van and then have a chat with him in person? Simples :)

    bloody hell, i wouldn't want to piss you off :lol::lol:
  • berni
    berni Posts: 137
    still no response to the email I sent him on Monday, will keep you posted as to how it turns out
  • berni
    berni Posts: 137
    I still have an unusable bike and no response or cassette.
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    he was bikeradar on wed 20th so should have seen these messages/PMs.

    come one man, you need to do the right thing.

    @bemi did you post 1st or 2nd class?
  • berni
    berni Posts: 137
    posted 1st class, sent emails and texts, still no response, still no cassette, I feel a fool. Here is part of his email "That is the "full da spec" as supplied by NP. Fitting a different spec cassette is normal with most bike companies. You are also getting a more or less new cassette rather than a used one as a gesture of good will, plus other parts that are newer and less used than the advert".
    The first part is a lie, the spec original spec is da cassette, I have spoken to them. The bike had allegedly only covered 500 miles, so the da cassette should have been pretty new. Changing only the cassette is just plain idiotic, unless you wish to keep the expensive one and fob me off with a cheap one. He has tripped himself up by claiming that the supplied bike was as per manufacturers spec, then later confirms that he changed the cassette, a blatant lie.
    I am pretty angry at this guy now, I need to buy a cassette, he has been dishonest, this is a fact as proven by his email, so the comments are not libelous. This forum is to highlight dodgy sellers and praise decent ones. Mr Pinchen is plainly showing himself to be the former.
  • welshkev
    welshkev Posts: 9,690
    berni wrote:
    posted 1st class, sent emails and texts, still no response, still no cassette, I feel a fool. Here is part of his email "That is the "full da spec" as supplied by NP. Fitting a different spec cassette is normal with most bike companies. You are also getting a more or less new cassette rather than a used one as a gesture of good will, plus other parts that are newer and less used than the advert".
    The first part is a lie, the spec original spec is da cassette, I have spoken to them. The bike had allegedly only covered 500 miles, so the da cassette should have been pretty new. Changing only the cassette is just plain idiotic, unless you wish to keep the expensive one and fob me off with a cheap one. He has tripped himself up by claiming that the supplied bike was as per manufacturers spec, then later confirms that he changed the cassette, a blatant lie.
    I am pretty angry at this guy now, I need to buy a cassette, he has been dishonest, this is a fact as proven by his email, so the comments are not libelous. This forum is to highlight dodgy sellers and praise decent ones. Mr Pinchen is plainly showing himself to be the former.

    yes you are absolutely correct in what you're saying and well withing your rights to do what you're doing. but the thing is, most people wouldn't care. i'm not a roadie so it may be different, but if i bought a bike that said "full XT group set" and they'd changed the cassette for an SLX one, so what? i wouldn't care. it still does the same job. I guess he just thought it wouldn't matter.

    i'm not on either side here btw, just playing devils advocate :lol:
  • 97th choice
    97th choice Posts: 2,222
    MP, man up and confirm you have posted the correct cassette.
    Too-ra-loo-ra, too-ra-loo-rye, aye

    Giant Trance
    Radon ZR 27.5 Race
    Btwin Alur700
    Merida CX500
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    welshkev wrote:
    berni wrote:
    posted 1st class, sent emails and texts, still no response, still no cassette, I feel a fool. Here is part of his email "That is the "full da spec" as supplied by NP. Fitting a different spec cassette is normal with most bike companies. You are also getting a more or less new cassette rather than a used one as a gesture of good will, plus other parts that are newer and less used than the advert".
    The first part is a lie, the spec original spec is da cassette, I have spoken to them. The bike had allegedly only covered 500 miles, so the da cassette should have been pretty new. Changing only the cassette is just plain idiotic, unless you wish to keep the expensive one and fob me off with a cheap one. He has tripped himself up by claiming that the supplied bike was as per manufacturers spec, then later confirms that he changed the cassette, a blatant lie.
    I am pretty angry at this guy now, I need to buy a cassette, he has been dishonest, this is a fact as proven by his email, so the comments are not libelous. This forum is to highlight dodgy sellers and praise decent ones. Mr Pinchen is plainly showing himself to be the former.

    yes you are absolutely correct in what you're saying and well withing your rights to do what you're doing. but the thing is, most people wouldn't care. i'm not a roadie so it may be different, but if i bought a bike that said "full XT group set" and they'd changed the cassette for an SLX one, so what? i wouldn't care. it still does the same job. I guess he just thought it wouldn't matter.

    i'm not on either side here btw, just playing devils advocate :lol:

    A DA cassette isnt cheap, and if the buyer was told it was a full DA group, Id be expecting a DA cassette too.
  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    Yep MP, get it sorted quick, you're taking the pish now, at least reply to the OP.
  • airwise
    airwise Posts: 248
    Hello All

    I have just been that this thread needs my attention. Sorry I wasn't aware you were all having this discussion.

    To clarify matters (again). Berni was given my office address to send the cassette into. Once received I would send a used DA in it's place. He got rather annoyed that I would not send the DA unit in advance of receiving the new one, nor pay for his postage.

    He informed me via email on the 17th that he would send the cassette. On the 22nd, Friday, he texted me to ask if it had been received. I replied the same day that nothing had to my knowledge arrived and did he have a tracking number.

    He told me that it had been signed for recorded delivery and I assured him I would check with the office today and get back to him. At 10.20 this morning, I did as promised and emailed him advising him that nothing had been received. I also informed him that, as a gesture of good will, I would forward the used DA cassette to him tomorrow but asked if he could provide me with a POD from the post office so that I could take this up with the office.

    I have heard nothing back from him but the cassette is ready for postage tomorrow. I have not cleaned it. I have told him that. Given his attitude and threatening behavior, I really don't feel I can bring myself to degrease a cassette. I trust that is acceptable. After all, I gave the whole bike a service and degrease prior to shipping and got that thrown back in my face.

    So that's the facts as they stand. Many thanks for those who have taken the time to stand up for me - my faith in human nature is close to being restored.
  • paul_mck
    paul_mck Posts: 1,058
    ...almost there.....
  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    Apologises Airwise, might be an idea if you keep an eye on here, just in case Berni claims otherwise.

    Berni, provide the tracking number so that we can see you are playing straight!.

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