Tour de San Luis *spoiler*
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Gorilla's in the Mist on this one0 -
Did anyone think Goss would win.Contador is the Greatest0
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Not many hills that Cav would get over that Greipel can't.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0
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Greipel did pretty well on WilungaContador is the Greatest0
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Rick Chasey wrote:Form is relative.
If everyone is at 50% and you are too you'll still be competitive.
This, plus those that are in form (such as the locals in this race including the overall winner), due to it being in the middle of their season, are hardly the best cyclists in the world. If they were they would likely be in the European peloton.0 -
He kept reasonably fit during the winter with winning Track races. (y' know those little wooden indoor tracks)ddraver wrote:Ever heard of Eddie Merckx?
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Ok, I think I got established that Bertie doesn't need the points as he's got a strong Team (forgot to mention Kreuzinger too).
Having Bertie to pick up points is like having a Ferrari to go to Tescos. If these numpty 2nd rate Aussies and Argentinian riders are such a push over then any one of Bertie's sidekicks could have done the job.
The only Team needing points is Katusha, from what I can make out, as they need wildcards to get in to the grand tours.
Van den Broek, Van Garderen, Nibs and AC are all in strong Teams so probably will be ok for points.
Just a note- If the Teams get in the poop later in the year then there's the Tour of Hokkaido and the Tour of East Java which are both a 2.2 event. Sure AC will be first in the line to the departure lounge to head off shopping for far flung points.
Here's a list of all the point and prizes and can someone explain how the point system works; does a 1.1 Trump a 2.2??-
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18599
Just a note on LA; he's relevent as he changed his training hugely from his usual metronomic TDF winning system (Tenerife, Training, Amstel Gold, Dauphine then TDF) to suddenly on his comeback, be kicking Aussie @rses in January.
Ever since LA did this (2009'ish) then most big GC riders are like out of the blocks quicker than Usain Bolts on Amphetamines.
I think LA would only change his regime through the possibility of getting caught or looking to have suspicious blood values. He would have to attain a higher level of fitness and doping in January for him to look believable when the TDF was to be raced. I think this system is what other riders have done since. They have good form as they have to; otherwise in the Summer they'll look dodgy. Something changed in around 2009 to change these riders behaviour; I still think it's something to with the dope checks.
If anyone says they stretch their legs by getting in breaks is either Merckx or Greg Sandy who used to do that to a group of 50 guys I used to ride with. Hmmm... sticking your nose in to the wind, hurts like hell.
Jerry“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
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Lance was out of the traps earlier than usual on his 2nd comeback in 09 because he got paid a mahoosive amount of money by the good taxpayers of of South Australia to make his comeback at the TDU. Exact figure still undisclosed by the state but reported to be in millions of $$$.
I still fail to see how you can take this and conclude that some GC guys are dodgy because they're up in the top 20 in one of the two first races of the season.
As people like Rick have said, if you're riding at -100% against a ProTour field riding at a similar level of -100%, plus a bunch of Conti riders who try to peak for this race, and you're a top rider with your team pulling for you...how can it be suspect that you land top 20 on GC?0 -
deejay wrote:
He kept reasonably fit during the winter with winning Track races. (y' know those little wooden indoor tracks)ddraver wrote:Ever heard of Eddie Merckx?
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17 six-day races
3× European championship
7× Belgian madison championship (with Patrick Sercu)
Well clearly he rode all the time to keep his blood values up! There simply can't possibly be another explanation. I mean, FLIcking Armstrong did it too eh? I mean, what more proof do you want!
Queue. Eee Motherf11cking Dee
What's your opinion on this photo Jerry?
Clearly taken in a warehouse in Nevada? I mean it's Armstrong dont you know!!
Bertie has a strong team, Jaysus Tapdancing Christ, so strong that they had fewer points than most Pro Conti Teams last yearWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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When exactly did Armstrong 'kick Aussie @rses'? In the three TDUs he did he came 29th, 24th & 67th. His best stage finish was 23rd. He turned up for the appearance fee, no other reason, and was largely anonymous in the actual race.jerry3571 wrote:Just a note on LA; he's relevent as he changed his training hugely from his usual metronomic TDF winning system (Tenerife, Training, Amstel Gold, Dauphine then TDF) to suddenly on his comeback, be kicking Aussie @rses in January.
Ever since LA did this (2009'ish) then most big GC riders are like out of the blocks quicker than Usain Bolts on Amphetamines.
I think LA would only change his regime through the possibility of getting caught or looking to have suspicious blood values. He would have to attain a higher level of fitness and doping in January for him to look believable when the TDF was to be raced. I think this system is what other riders have done since. They have good form as they have to; otherwise in the Summer they'll look dodgy. Something changed in around 2009 to change these riders behaviour; I still think it's something to with the dope checks.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
When exactly did Armstrong 'kick Aussie @rses'? In the three TDUs he did he came 29th, 24th & 67th. His best stage finish was 23rd. He turned up for the appearance fee, no other reason, and was largely anonymous in the actual race.jerry3571 wrote:Just a note on LA; he's relevent as he changed his training hugely from his usual metronomic TDF winning system (Tenerife, Training, Amstel Gold, Dauphine then TDF) to suddenly on his comeback, be kicking Aussie @rses in January.
Ever since LA did this (2009'ish) then most big GC riders are like out of the blocks quicker than Usain Bolts on Amphetamines.
I think LA would only change his regime through the possibility of getting caught or looking to have suspicious blood values. He would have to attain a higher level of fitness and doping in January for him to look believable when the TDF was to be raced. I think this system is what other riders have done since. They have good form as they have to; otherwise in the Summer they'll look dodgy. Something changed in around 2009 to change these riders behaviour; I still think it's something to with the dope checks.
Check the earlier link-
Are you really telling me, "what's the conspiracy??" on the day Rasmussen and Armstrong spill their guts about massive drug use in their careers.
This thread reminds me when I was asking about the link between Bruyneel/LA and the UCI in 2008. Same reaction then.
I'm sorry but I know Australia is a small island in the southern hemisphere but it happened to bare a sh1t load of past/present/future Pro Riders. I would list them but I have to be in bed by 3am.
Come on kids. There is no good reason for the big cheeses to be getting results like this. When LA was doing his stuff (winning the TDF) you always got good riders, including himself, being dropped in early Spring as they weren't suppose to go over a certain wattage or heart rate. It's called "getting the miles in" or ironically LSD (long sedate distance). Even lowly me put a 170 bpm threshold until February/March time. This was common practice. Riders sat turning a gear and watching the LCD screen on what their Doc had told them to ride at.
Doping is a game that most of us are unaware of. These guys duck and dive to get round the system and I feel as this is another occasion.
As far as Armstrong in the photo; you can see the flag by telescope. Glad to spoon feed you again.
I'm sneaking off now as Doping is a thing I must have made up. My apologies. The Earth is still flat, isn't it?
Jerry
PS- No one explained about the Ranking of Bike races whether a 2.2 is a bigger race than a 1.1? No ideas?
PPS- I know Dan Lloyd used to get his @rse kicked by the local Bournemouth riders in the winter so at least he didn't defy common sense.
PPPS- If you look at the results on this Volta a Algarve in 2004. This is what I mean by having Team mates take the win whilst the main man gets the miles in in 34th place. THIS IS WTF I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!! THIS IS THE NORMAL THING TO DO!!!
(warning- this item contains named riders which may cause offence)
http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=5699“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
-Jacques Anquetil0 -
jerry3571 wrote:When LA was doing his stuff (winning the TDF) you always got good riders, including himself, being dropped in early Spring as they weren't suppose to go over a certain wattage or heart rate.
WTF Are you seriously using LA as an example of how you would expect clean riders to ride in early season races? You don't think the reason they were getting dropped was because of the point in their blood cycle rather than anything to do with form? :shock:
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