loosing weight and training for spring

bierhaus31

I was very active in riding for 2 years the last 2 work did not allow me to ride as much, I have put on about 15 extra pounds but am looking to lose a total of 30 over the next three months while riding on a trainer,I need help with diet to lose but help build musse. I am 48

Thanks
bier

Froomes Edgar

Eat less

alihisgreat

Ride more

ShutUpLegs

Hi Soni!

rick_chasey

That's the jist.

Calories in vs calories out. If in drops or out increases (or both)then you'll get weight loss.

And be logical about it. The casual 5 biscuits you take down in the office absent mindedly you'll miss less than if you force yourself to leave the dinner table hungry in the evening.

chrisaonabike

ShutUpLegs wrote:

Hi Soni!

essjaydee

What they said plus this.........

Don't know if this might help but, I'm using this site http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ to log my food and exercise details. Not sure how accurate they are, but if used as a guide then may be helpful just to keep check on what your eating and drinking. You can input your age, height, weight etc, and set a target weight and date to achieve it too

They do an app for your phone, which I find pretty useful 8)

Just a thought

Trev The Rev

If you think about it, needing apps and the internet to decide when, what and how much to eat is totally stupid.

The world is full of people counting calories and most of them never lose any weight in the long run. Counting calories messes with your mind and makes you feel more hungry than usual. In the long run calorie counting is not good for you - it causes an unnatural & unhealthy relationship with food. Humans seem to have lost the ability to feel their own appetite and regulate their weight properly.

Simple fact is most children these days are fat. Just look at pictures of kids back in the 1960s or 1970s. Hardly any of them fat. Simple reasons, they ate real food, cooked by their mothers who were not fat or on a bottle of wine a night and all her children had the same father, were only given sweets & snacks as a very occasional treat, walked or rode a bike to school and ran about a lot and did real sport and activities rather than play pretend on computers, game consoles or phones.

I would bet most of the problem is caused by processed food high in trans fats, sugar and additives and lacking in nutrients. I think many people have just got used to having a full stomach and feel this is the normal state or they are addicted to having a permanent supply of sugar or processed carbohydrate. Also too many people these days consume alcohol most evenings.

jgsi

The latest 'Govt' sponsored ad about such foods... describing certain ingredients in processed foods as 'nasties' .. well one commentator did make the remark... ' you are allowing the global food industry to get away with adding nasties into our food, then? ' thanks a bunch
As an individual , I like to think I have a vested interest in keeping excessive weight off... I do use pen and paper to log certain days what I eat... I wouldnt like to discourage anyone from using any modern 'app' to help themselves combat obesity or excess weight or even eating disorders.

Trev The Rev

JGSI wrote:

The latest 'Govt' sponsored ad about such foods... describing certain ingredients in processed foods as 'nasties' .. well one commentator did make the remark... ' you are allowing the global food industry to get away with adding nasties into our food, then? ' thanks a bunch
As an individual , I like to think I have a vested interest in keeping excessive weight off... I do use pen and paper to log certain days what I eat... I wouldnt like to discourage anyone from using any modern 'app' to help themselves combat obesity or excess weight or even eating disorders.

We should encourage people to eat a healthy balanced diet not count the calorie content of crap food.

edignatu

Hi, this is my first post but I have been lurking for a while.

I have to say I agree whole heartedly with Trev the Rev.

The old mantra of 'do more eat less' is actually untrue. It is based on flawed principles.

Trev, I suspect you are already aware but have you seen the work by the likes of Sally Fallon and Weston A price etc?

For those who are interested here is a link to a conference where the speaker describes in detail why 'do more, eat less' is just plain wrong - http://vimeo.com/26994290#

Rich

PS I have no affiliation to anyone, its just that my personal experience is that training and 'government healthy diet' is not the answer! (I only lost weight, and lost weight quickly, when I cut the crap and started eating properly nutritious food)

ShutUpLegs

Trev The Rev wrote:

If you think about it, needing apps and the internet to decide when, what and how much to eat is totally stupid.

Stupid or pathetic :?:

alihisgreat

edignatu wrote:

Hi, this is my first post but I have been lurking for a while.

I have to say I agree whole heartedly with Trev the Rev.

The old mantra of 'do more eat less' is actually untrue. It is based on flawed principles.

Trev, I suspect you are already aware but have you seen the work by the likes of Sally Fallon and Weston A price etc?

For those who are interested here is a link to a conference where the speaker describes in detail why 'do more, eat less' is just plain wrong - http://vimeo.com/26994290#

Rich

PS I have no affiliation to anyone, its just that my personal experience is that training and 'government healthy diet' is not the answer! (I only lost weight, and lost weight quickly, when I cut the crap and started eating properly nutritious food)

Is that you Trev?

edignatu

No.

alihisgreat

edignatu wrote:

No.

you sure?

edignatu

No. I mean yes.

GiantMike

edignatu wrote:

The old mantra of 'do more eat less' is actually untrue. It is based on flawed principles.

When I eat less and train more, I lose weight. When I used to do less and I ate more, I weighed more.

What's flawed about the principle?

okgo

Not going to pretend I know a lot on the subject, but I've stopped eating carbs after lunch (i.e dinner is with salad/veg that isn't spuds etc) and also cut sugar right down across the board, I had put on a bit of gift weight over xmas, so the weight loss isn't maybe what everyone could look to see but I've lost 7 lbs since my weigh in on new years day just by doing that and controlling my portions at lunch.

GiantMike

okgo wrote:

Not going to pretend I know a lot on the subject, but I've stopped eating carbs after lunch (i.e dinner is with salad/veg that isn't spuds etc) and also cut sugar right down across the board, I had put on a bit of gift weight over xmas, so the weight loss isn't maybe what everyone could look to see but I've lost 7 lbs since my weigh in on new years day just by doing that and controlling my portions at lunch.

You can't have lost any weight. Your scales and your mantra are wrong.

Trev The Rev

GiantMike wrote:

okgo wrote:

Not going to pretend I know a lot on the subject, but I've stopped eating carbs after lunch (i.e dinner is with salad/veg that isn't spuds etc) and also cut sugar right down across the board, I had put on a bit of gift weight over xmas, so the weight loss isn't maybe what everyone could look to see but I've lost 7 lbs since my weigh in on new years day just by doing that and controlling my portions at lunch.

You can't have lost any weight. Your scales and your mantra are wrong.

Why would his scales be any more wrong than the calibration of your power meter? No doubt most of the 7lbs he has lost is water and not fat but he has still lost 7lbs.

okgo

Lots will be water yes. I do a lot of cycling obviously and do most of it with the minimum fuel so would imagine its got rid of some of the bad stuff to.

mattshrops

I used an internet site to log my food intake for a good few months.
Rather than it telling me when and what to eat, I told it when and what I ate :roll:

Once i had learned roughly to "feel" what was the correct amount/type of food per day i have now stopped doing it.

I can now hold my weight easily and lower it fairly easily if i want to.

The internet/apps are a tool to be used in the right way.Along with some self education on nutrition etc.

I can see where you're coming from with some of your views, but you're starting to sound like Canute trying to hold back the tide.
People USED to leave their front door open(mainly cos they had F- all to nick) those days are gone.

Trev The Rev

mattshrops wrote:

I used an internet site to log my food intake for a good few months.
Rather than it telling me when and what to eat, I told it when and what I ate :roll:

Once i had learned roughly to "feel" what was the correct amount/type of food per day i have now stopped doing it.

I can now hold my weight easily and lower it fairly easily if i want to.

The internet/apps are a tool to be used in the right way.Along with some self education on nutrition etc.

I can see where you're coming from with some of your views, but you're starting to sound like Canute trying to hold back the tide.
People USED to leave their front door open(mainly cos they had F- all to nick) those days are gone.

You speak for your family.

edignatu

[/quote]When I eat less and train more, I lose weight. When I used to do less and I ate more, I weighed more.

What's flawed about the principle?[/quote]

Yes, To some extent I agree, However, In my case, If I train more I am more hungry and either eat more or try to eat less and am miserable and then eat more. If I eat less.. I feel hungry and my body says oi! what you up to? I'm sure you know the body will try to maintain body fat if deprived an so on...

The principle of eat less do more is flawed because of this problem. It is based around the laws of thermodynamics being applied very broadly to a human being and this is just not how hu8mans work. It is this unthinking application of conservation of energy laws which cause the problem. We think energy in must be used or will turn to fat right? wrong! Conservation of energy is not wrong per se, It holds true for burning a peanut in a closed system but not for a human where we are in no way a closed system. It is the 'closed system' where the principle is fundamentally flawed when being applied to humans.

We are also told that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie and this appears not to be the case. But lets not get on to that just now.

My story is that I can easily gain weight (do less eat more!) I can reasonably well lose weight by eating less and doing more. However, even when quite strictly eating a so called healthy diet and training very hard I could not lose my spare tyre and I could not get below 13.5st (ish) I thought this is just 'my' weight. However, once I stumbled upon the above and other dietary information which is almost totally contrary to what we are told I lost 1.5st in around 2-3 months and I can tell you that I don't count calories and I eat like a king and rarely feel hungry!

I have more recently got back into cycling ( I was gyming it and indoor rowing) and I am now quite interested in how to fuel for longer rides (I'm doing the Dragon + othe long sportives this year) without resorting to the gels and bars etc.

best

Rich

SBezza

GiantMike wrote:

edignatu wrote:

The old mantra of 'do more eat less' is actually untrue. It is based on flawed principles.

When I eat less and train more, I lose weight. When I used to do less and I ate more, I weighed more.

What's flawed about the principle?

I would say it is flawed on the principle that if you cut calories too much then your body will try and hang on to what is has in reserve, by lowering it metabolism. Now obviously you will lose weight eventually, but you will lose your health at the same time. Also it you are trying to do exercise at the same time, you could end up in a downward spiral. Yes you need to eat a little less, or move a little more, but big swings either side might not produce the results you were looking for. This is even more true the leaner you get, and this is where nutrition plays a huge part in getting as lean as you can.

GiantMike

SBezza wrote:

GiantMike wrote:

edignatu wrote:

The old mantra of 'do more eat less' is actually untrue. It is based on flawed principles.

When I eat less and train more, I lose weight. When I used to do less and I ate more, I weighed more.

What's flawed about the principle?

I would say it is flawed on the principle that if you cut calories too much then your body will try and hang on to what is has in reserve, by lowering it metabolism.

Yes, I agree. Which is why I don't do it too much.

GiantMike

edignatu wrote:

My story is that I can easily gain weight (do less eat more!) I can reasonably well lose weight by eating less and doing more. However, even when quite strictly eating a so called healthy diet and training very hard I could not lose my spare tyre and I could not get below 13.5st (ish) I thought this is just 'my' weight. However, once I stumbled upon the above and other dietary information which is almost totally contrary to what we are told I lost 1.5st in around 2-3 months and I can tell you that I don't count calories and I eat like a king and rarely feel hungry!

I have more recently got back into cycling ( I was gyming it and indoor rowing) and I am now quite interested in how to fuel for longer rides (I'm doing the Dragon + othe long sportives this year) without resorting to the gels and bars etc.

best

Rich

But why do you say the mantra of eat less, do more is untrue? You say you proved it both ways (to a limit). I eat normally and healthily and my weight drops when I train harder. I'm not obsessed about my weight, and until the summer I don't really care what it is, but I have a correlation between exercise and food intake and weight.

If the mantra is untrue, what else is going on with my body that is causing my weight to fluctuate?

edignatu

I did say 'untrue' which with hind sight is not correct. But the gist of what I am saying still holds true - if you ask me.

What I am saying is that a so called healthy diet as pushed by our societies leaders is not healthy and not good for our weight. Exhibit A - the western worlds expanding waistine and ever increasing catalogue of disease.

I think we all need to step back, review what is quite cleary evident (globally) and try to eat in a way that our bodies have evolved to eat and I think that means less reliance on processed foods esp grains etc and much more reliance on nutrious real foods and this also means meats and especially the much demonised fats! I don't think any food group should be particulary reduced (except if really trying to lose weight one would do well to limit carbs and sugar) I think that each of the food groups should be eaten in a way that it's nutrition remains intact.

PS I don't mean to come on here and preach.

Tom Dean

edignatu wrote:

...as pushed by our societies leaders...

Get a grip FFS.

GiantMike

edignatu wrote:

I did say 'untrue' which with hind sight is not correct. But the gist of what I am saying still holds true - if you ask me.

What I am saying is that a so called healthy diet as pushed by our societies leaders is not healthy and not good for our weight. Exhibit A - the western worlds expanding waistine and ever increasing catalogue of disease.

I think we all need to step back, review what is quite cleary evident (globally) and try to eat in a way that our bodies have evolved to eat and I think that means less reliance on processed foods esp grains etc and much more reliance on nutrious real foods and this also means meats and especially the much demonised fats! I don't think any food group should be particulary reduced (except if really trying to lose weight one would do well to limit carbs and sugar) I think that each of the food groups should be eaten in a way that it's nutrition remains intact.

PS I don't mean to come on here and preach.

So if you ate 4000 healthy calories a day and did 2000 calories of work, you'd put weight on?

And if you ate 2000 healthy calories a day and did 4000 calories of work, you'd lose weight?

edignatu

GiantMike - if you are interested to find out more watch the video I posted earlier as the woman on there explains this much better than I ever can.

I think if you are eating properly the calorie count does not matter. You will reach a nice equilibrium weight, a bit heavier (fatter) if you are sedentary and a bit leaner if you are more active.