2014 TdF

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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Garmin: Talansky, Howes, King, Langeveld, Navardauskas, Slagter, Vansummeren, Acevedo, Bauer

    Shame millar isn't in it.

    Real shame. Je suis a big fan of his.
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    http://cyclingeurope.org/2014/06/28/capture-david-millar-at-the-tour-de-france%e2%80%8f-davidmillarfilm-tdf2014/

    Well this is a bit awkward isn't it?
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Jeremy Whittle ‏@jeremycwhittle 24m
    Spoke to a very upset @millarmind "This has killed my relationship with the team. I'm so sad."
  • heavy_rat
    heavy_rat Posts: 264
    So who are the Brits who will be starting@

    Thomas
    Cav

    Is that it?
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    And Froome.

    That's it though.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Unless Orica go crazy and put one of the Yates twins in.
  • heavy_rat
    heavy_rat Posts: 264
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    So come one Orica...you said it would be a surprise...I wonder what constitutes a surprise? Putting a neo-pro in?
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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    heavy_rat wrote:
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
    Yes, they should just shove in as many "Brits" as possible, with magnificent disregard for form, injury or how much sense it would make for the team :roll:
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    So he was pulled over reservations about his health.

    Could the team be afraid of the potential shoot storm that would be unleashed if they applied for a TUE?
    Correlation is not causation.
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,436
    adr82 wrote:
    heavy_rat wrote:
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
    Yes, they should just shove in as many "Brits" as possible, with magnificent disregard for form, injury or how much sense it would make for the team :roll:

    You seem to be forgetting that pro cycling teams essentially exist to generate a return on their investment for their sponsors. Winning is of course one way of doing that, but it is not the only way.
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Gutted Millar isn't riding. And if his form is off then fair enough but they didn't have to lead him on.
  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    Is Cav a definite start, I thought he was ill also?
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    adr82 wrote:
    heavy_rat wrote:
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
    Yes, they should just shove in as many "Brits" as possible, with magnificent disregard for form, injury or how much sense it would make for the team :roll:

    I'm British. I'll ride. My services are also available for New Zealand if they so wish and if they can get the documentation sorted out in time, Germany or Israel. There's the slight problem of my extra X chromosome but just think of the added PR! No man with sideburns but there's a woman with boobs and it isn't Peta Todd.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    edited June 2014
    r0bh wrote:
    adr82 wrote:
    heavy_rat wrote:
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
    Yes, they should just shove in as many "Brits" as possible, with magnificent disregard for form, injury or how much sense it would make for the team :roll:

    You seem to be forgetting that pro cycling teams essentially exist to generate a return on their investment for their sponsors. Winning is of course one way of doing that, but it is not the only way.
    Is another way having a domestique blow up and finish outside the time cut? I can see how that'd be great for the sponsors. And the team.
  • heavy_rat
    heavy_rat Posts: 264
    adr82 wrote:
    heavy_rat wrote:
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
    Yes, they should just shove in as many "Brits" as possible, with magnificent disregard for form, injury or how much sense it would make for the team :roll:

    Ridiculous point you make. Not even sure who or what you are arguing against.

    All I'm saying is 2/3 Brits for the TDF is a low number of riders for our nation.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    ‏@ukcyclingexpert 1h
    No Sir Wiggins, Pete Kenneth, Dan Swift, Ian Standard, Alan Dowsett, now no Robert Millar! Is there any point even having the Le Tour here?
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  • ic.
    ic. Posts: 769
    Am I right in thinking Brits won about 1/3 of stages in 2012? Can't see that happening now. Doesn't exactly do much for the whole "cycling is growing, we are taking the world by storm" type thing.
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  • adr82
    adr82 Posts: 4,002
    heavy_rat wrote:
    adr82 wrote:
    heavy_rat wrote:
    Froome doesn't count but even if he did that's still pretty poor.
    Yes, they should just shove in as many "Brits" as possible, with magnificent disregard for form, injury or how much sense it would make for the team :roll:

    Ridiculous point you make. Not even sure who or what you are arguing against.

    All I'm saying is 2/3 Brits for the TDF is a low number of riders for our nation.
    And all I'm saying is that you might want to reflect on the reasons for the number of British riders being lower than expected (we'll just pretend you didn't drag up the whole tired "Is Froome British?" thing again).
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    ps. Apparently Dowsett has breathing issues which is why he isn't riding.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Wegelius comes off badly in his book.

    ‏@SkyCycling 59m
    Garmin-Sharp sports director Charly Wegelius: "We are very sorry to leave David Millar home due to illness. We wish things were different."
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    IC. wrote:
    Am I right in thinking Brits won about 1/3 of stages in 2012? Can't see that happening now. Doesn't exactly do much for the whole "cycling is growing, we are taking the world by storm" type thing.

    It's not easy to win that many stages for any country! Expecting that every year is a little unrealistic.

    Cav could get a few, Froome could get a few, Thomas could maybe win the cobble stage.
  • ic.
    ic. Posts: 769
    Turfle wrote:
    IC. wrote:
    Am I right in thinking Brits won about 1/3 of stages in 2012? Can't see that happening now. Doesn't exactly do much for the whole "cycling is growing, we are taking the world by storm" type thing.

    It's not easy to win that many stages for any country! Expecting that every year is a little unrealistic.

    Cav could get a few, Froome could get a few, Thomas could maybe win the cobble stage.

    Didn't mean I was expecting it, perhaps a phrased that badly. Just mean to the outside word it will look like backwards steps, which is a shame
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    philbar72 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Garmin: Talansky, Howes, King, Langeveld, Navardauskas, Slagter, Vansummeren, Acevedo, Bauer

    Shame millar isn't in it.

    Real shame. Je suis a big fan of his.

    Millar is somewhat past his best. I'm glad he's not racing as he isn't up to it any more. Give the youngsters a chance.
    about 3-4 years past his best.

    Alright Mr & Mr fun-sponge. Calm down.
    _
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    IC. wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    IC. wrote:
    Am I right in thinking Brits won about 1/3 of stages in 2012? Can't see that happening now. Doesn't exactly do much for the whole "cycling is growing, we are taking the world by storm" type thing.

    It's not easy to win that many stages for any country! Expecting that every year is a little unrealistic.

    Cav could get a few, Froome could get a few, Thomas could maybe win the cobble stage.

    Didn't mean I was expecting it, perhaps a phrased that badly. Just mean to the outside word it will look like backwards steps, which is a shame

    I doubt the outside world gives two hoots.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    @millarmind · 23m
    For the record, I was going to be ready for the Tour, so sad my team didn't believe in me, after everything we've been through. Not cool.

    @millarmind · 2m
    Garmin and Sharp, I love you. This is between me & @wegelius & @Vaughters & @dellisny. I just wanted you to know.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Seriously though, half that team selection are not particularly good or worthy.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    @ryder_hesjedal 4m
    It's official. No TdF this year. Decided during Giro to take a break after Dauphine and get ready for the 2nd half of the year. #tourdemaui
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    edited June 2014
    IC. wrote:
    Turfle wrote:
    IC. wrote:
    Am I right in thinking Brits won about 1/3 of stages in 2012? Can't see that happening now. Doesn't exactly do much for the whole "cycling is growing, we are taking the world by storm" type thing.

    It's not easy to win that many stages for any country! Expecting that every year is a little unrealistic.

    Cav could get a few, Froome could get a few, Thomas could maybe win the cobble stage.

    Didn't mean I was expecting it, perhaps a phrased that badly. Just mean to the outside word it will look like backwards steps, which is a shame

    I think it's still growing here, but Cav, Millar, and Wiggo are getting older and it's hard to replace their production that quickly. I'd bet good money there will be a steady stream of Tour de France performances from the likes of Thomas, Kennaugh, Stannard, Rowe, the Yates twins, Edmondson, Swift, Geoghegan-Hart, and others. The future is still bright.
  • eh
    eh Posts: 4,854
    Thomas could maybe win the cobble stage.

    This is Team Froome I mean Sky we are talking about, no chance of anyone going for a cobbled stage win, unless Froome crashes out in Yorkshire.

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