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Literally is not enough space for everyone to drive or even be driven. It's a geometrical problem.Stevo_666 said:
I lived there for a while and it never did. But they really seem to be going out of their way to make things inconvenient and expensive for drivers in the capital these days. Luckily I rarely need to go into the London postcodes by car.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
Public transport is massively more efficient for everyone, so why wouldn't you push people towards that?0 -
I know text doesn't have the benefit of nuance like speech does, but Stevo's comment reads as if he is surprised by the ongoing traffic / pollution reduction measures in London.0
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I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
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On a lot of roads its just too low IMO. There are a few places where it makes sense, say outside schools and in narrow streets where squeezing past is tricky, but those sort of situations are the minority - especially in Wales.Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
They say bad laws don't get complied with and and the latest stats show 87%-89% of motorists breaking the 20mph limit.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They might be breaking the 20mph limit but they'll be going slower than if the limit was 30mph. The Welsh Government won't say as much but I suspect that is what they are aiming for.0
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Probably. Have fun...Pross said:They might be breaking the 20mph limit but they'll be going slower than if the limit was 30mph. The Welsh Government won't say as much but I suspect that is what they are aiming for.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Sure, that's how they justify it.shirley_basso said:I know text doesn't have the benefit of nuance like speech does, but Stevo's comment reads as if he is surprised by the ongoing traffic / pollution reduction measures in London.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.0 -
What I learned on my (one and only ever got caught) speed awareness course couple years back was not about stopping distances by speed increment but how the speed curve reduces as the driver slams on the brakes.
There were some impressively scary videos showing examples like ok, at 30mph car stops here, place a dummy barrier / person there, now repeat but start braking at 40mph... The residual speeds where vehicle hit the dummy barriers were frightening.0 -
TheBigBean said:
I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
There are better options for many car journeys (especially short trips on towns), but people still seem to prefer sitting in a queue of cars, taking longer to get where they want to, driving round in circles trying to find somewhere to park, and at far greater expense than all other options. Doesn't really matter whether it's a flash car or not, still doesn't make sense.0 -
The Transport Minister here is very keen on net zero and is pretty anti-car. They have axed all new road building and are looking at some pretty extensive cycle routes including options for a major link between Newport and Cardiff that I would have loved when I used to do the commute. Doesn't seem bothered about keeping the motorist vote happy which is quite refreshing although probably needs to improve public transport in rural areasbriantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.0 -
I would have thought it was obvious that that has been a London-wide policy for at least the last decade and a half.Stevo_666 said:
I lived there for a while and it never did. But they really seem to be going out of their way to make things inconvenient and expensive for drivers in the capital these days. Luckily I rarely need to go into the London postcodes by car.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
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I understand, but don't support the laziness. I don't understand the need to spend £250k on a car which is difficult to get in and out of simply to do the shopping.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
There are better options for many car journeys (especially short trips on towns), but people still seem to prefer sitting in a queue of cars, taking longer to get where they want to, driving round in circles trying to find somewhere to park, and at far greater expense than all other options. Doesn't really matter whether it's a flash car or not, still doesn't make sense.0 -
TheBigBean said:
I understand, but don't support the laziness. I don't understand the need to spend £250k on a car which is difficult to get in and out of simply to do the shopping.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
There are better options for many car journeys (especially short trips on towns), but people still seem to prefer sitting in a queue of cars, taking longer to get where they want to, driving round in circles trying to find somewhere to park, and at far greater expense than all other options. Doesn't really matter whether it's a flash car or not, still doesn't make sense.
It's cars, innit? A large chunk of logic goes out of the window when they are involved. After all, if logic were involved, people wouldn't be driving enormous 4WD tanks around towns. But people will always find a way to justify their particular carmania, to themselves, at least.0 -
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe they spend some of their time outside of London?TheBigBean said:
I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
Has anyone said that the only relevant factor is speed?0 -
That is clear, I think the point is exactly what that policy is. Although much less of an issue for me now that I am far from the madding crowdsrjsterry said:
I would have thought it was obvious that that has been a London-wide policy for at least the last decade and a half.Stevo_666 said:
I lived there for a while and it never did. But they really seem to be going out of their way to make things inconvenient and expensive for drivers in the capital these days. Luckily I rarely need to go into the London postcodes by car.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The really pricey ones don't go out of knightsbridge!Stevo_666 said:
Maybe they spend some of their time outside of London?TheBigBean said:
I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
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And probably don't do their own food shopping.kingstongraham said:
The really pricey ones don't go out of knightsbridge!Stevo_666 said:
Maybe they spend some of their time outside of London?TheBigBean said:
I've always found it odd and impractical that so many people have flash cars when they have nowhere to drive. An Aston Martin is all well good, but if it is only driven over some speedy bumps to Sainsbury at 20mph, there are probably better options.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No other factor has been mentioned so far. Personally I have found found that paying attention, anticipation, driving in line with road and traffic conditions, etc has kept me accident free for over 30 years. And no points on my license.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
Has anyone said that the only relevant factor is speed?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's very clear: fewer cars by any available means.Stevo_666 said:
That is clear, I think the point is exactly what that policy is. Although much less of an issue for me now that I am far from the madding crowdsrjsterry said:
I would have thought it was obvious that that has been a London-wide policy for at least the last decade and a half.Stevo_666 said:
I lived there for a while and it never did. But they really seem to be going out of their way to make things inconvenient and expensive for drivers in the capital these days. Luckily I rarely need to go into the London postcodes by car.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Between 20 and 30 is where the graph starts rising more sharply for fatality rate of pedestrians* so arguably there is more to support it as a limit than 30 (given that any limit is arbitrary).Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
*It rises from 1.5% at 20mph to 8% at 30mph.0 -
Stevo_666 said:
No other factor has been mentioned so far. Personally I have found found that paying attention, anticipation, driving in line with road and traffic conditions, etc has kept me accident free for over 30 years. And no points on my license.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
Has anyone said that the only relevant factor is speed?
Maybe people have been talking about speed because that's what the change is concerned with. If everyone were as careful and skilled as you, obviously there would be no accidents at all, and speed limits would be irrelevant.0 -
Seems like a sensible policy. It's one of my objections to uber.rjsterry said:
It's very clear: fewer cars by any available means.Stevo_666 said:
That is clear, I think the point is exactly what that policy is. Although much less of an issue for me now that I am far from the madding crowdsrjsterry said:
I would have thought it was obvious that that has been a London-wide policy for at least the last decade and a half.Stevo_666 said:
I lived there for a while and it never did. But they really seem to be going out of their way to make things inconvenient and expensive for drivers in the capital these days. Luckily I rarely need to go into the London postcodes by car.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
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The other obvious initiative is educating pedestrian to pay more attention when they're crossing the roads.Pross said:
Between 20 and 30 is where the graph starts rising more sharply for fatality rate of pedestrians* so arguably there is more to support it as a limit than 30 (given that any limit is arbitrary).Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
*It rises from 1.5% at 20mph to 8% at 30mph."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A more obvious initiative is introducing a minimum IQ level to be allowed to be in control of a motorised veehickle.Stevo_666 said:
The other obvious initiative is educating pedestrian to pay more attention when they're crossing the roads.Pross said:
Between 20 and 30 is where the graph starts rising more sharply for fatality rate of pedestrians* so arguably there is more to support it as a limit than 30 (given that any limit is arbitrary).Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
*It rises from 1.5% at 20mph to 8% at 30mph.0 -
The anti-car agenda in London has been clear for a while.rjsterry said:
It's very clear: fewer cars by any available means.Stevo_666 said:
That is clear, I think the point is exactly what that policy is. Although much less of an issue for me now that I am far from the madding crowdsrjsterry said:
I would have thought it was obvious that that has been a London-wide policy for at least the last decade and a half.Stevo_666 said:
I lived there for a while and it never did. But they really seem to be going out of their way to make things inconvenient and expensive for drivers in the capital these days. Luckily I rarely need to go into the London postcodes by car.kingstongraham said:
I don't think you should expect London to deliver the ultimate driving experience.Stevo_666 said:
Another reason not to live in London then.kingstongraham said:Lots of London boroughs have 20mph by default. I think there are three roads in the whole of Richmond that are exceptions.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That might be seen as a blatant attempt to deprive Labour voters of motorised transport.orraloon said:
A more obvious initiative is introducing a minimum IQ level to be allowed to be in control of a motorised veehickle.Stevo_666 said:
The other obvious initiative is educating pedestrian to pay more attention when they're crossing the roads.Pross said:
Between 20 and 30 is where the graph starts rising more sharply for fatality rate of pedestrians* so arguably there is more to support it as a limit than 30 (given that any limit is arbitrary).Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
*It rises from 1.5% at 20mph to 8% at 30mph."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
That might be seen as a blatant attempt to deprive Labour voters of motorised transport.orraloon said:
A more obvious initiative is introducing a minimum IQ level to be allowed to be in control of a motorised veehickle.Stevo_666 said:
The other obvious initiative is educating pedestrian to pay more attention when they're crossing the roads.Pross said:
Between 20 and 30 is where the graph starts rising more sharply for fatality rate of pedestrians* so arguably there is more to support it as a limit than 30 (given that any limit is arbitrary).Stevo_666 said:
If the only relevant factor is speed then they should set the limit at 5mph everywhere and be done with it.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
Got no issue with it other than they have done nothing to make the roads in trial areas feel like you should be slower. Even when you are trying to comply it is hard if the road is wide open with standard road markings. I think they're being over-optimistic though if they think it is suddenly going to encourage fat, lazy fekkers to walk and cycle rather than drive.Stevo_666 said:Glad I'm not a Welsh motorist...
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/12/wales-set-lower-speed-limit-20mph-despite-widespread-opposition/
Half-arsed is better than not-arsed-at-all, and even if it shaves off a couple of MPH, it should reduce the seriousness of injuries and signals a shift in priorities, even if more would be better still.
*It rises from 1.5% at 20mph to 8% at 30mph.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2008/nov/03/greenpolitics-liberaldemocratsAcademic research published in the journal Intelligence compares the way people voted in the 2001 election with their IQ at the age of 10 (using data from the 1970 British cohort study). The results are fascinating.
On a party-by-party basis, the average (childhood) IQ scores for 2001 voters were:
Green - 108.3
Liberal Democrat - 108.2
Conservative - 103.7
Labour – 103
Plaid Cymru - 102.5
Scottish National - 102.2
UK Independence - 101.1
British National - 98.4
Did not vote/None of the above - 99.70
