Seemingly trivial things that cheer you up
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Sorry, didn't mean my comment to sound accusatory. Was having a similar issue conversation the other day about a German U-boat that is on display in Merseyside. I was surprised how strong the reaction was to the idea of an 'enemy' vessel being on display.Pross said:
I think you can appreciate design and engineering without in some way condoning its purpose. For me seeing a very rare, eighty year old aircraft flying over unexpectedly was enjoyable - doesn't mean I'm misty-eyed that it may have helped wipe Dresden off the map.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
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I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself0 -
I'd be interested to see that as well, I'm not very mechanically minded but I find that wartime inventions bring out all sorts of ingenuity and I think it was accepted that the Germans had superior technology when it came to submarines.rjsterry said:
Sorry, didn't mean my comment to sound accusatory. Was having a similar issue conversation the other day about a German U-boat that is on display in Merseyside. I was surprised how strong the reaction was to the idea of an 'enemy' vessel being on display.Pross said:
I think you can appreciate design and engineering without in some way condoning its purpose. For me seeing a very rare, eighty year old aircraft flying over unexpectedly was enjoyable - doesn't mean I'm misty-eyed that it may have helped wipe Dresden off the map.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
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rjsterry said:
Sorry, didn't mean my comment to sound accusatory. Was having a similar issue conversation the other day about a German U-boat that is on display in Merseyside. I was surprised how strong the reaction was to the idea of an 'enemy' vessel being on display.Pross said:
I think you can appreciate design and engineering without in some way condoning its purpose. For me seeing a very rare, eighty year old aircraft flying over unexpectedly was enjoyable - doesn't mean I'm misty-eyed that it may have helped wipe Dresden off the map.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
I find it almost overwhelming seeing the frame of one of the gliders that the SS used to drop in people to butcher everyone in the nearby village (Vassieux) next to the 'nécropole' with the graves of everyone they slaughtered, ages from just a few months to people in their 90s. I think seeing the two things together really brings it home.
They packed 10 people plus a pilot into each of these gliders.
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I think it was the negative experiences that rarely got talked about. Very understandable, but not without consequences.Munsford0 said:
While those who served in it rarely spoke about their experiences. My dad for one.TheBigBean said:
It's a generational thing. Many people brought up just after the war idolised everything about it.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
My grandfather would always say that bombing was an cowardice ordered by those who had never experienced it. He never told me about his experiences of being bombed though.0 -
At one point they looked at removing the top turret as they thought reducing the weingt to fly higher and faster would be more beneficial and if the worse happened casualties would be lower.rjsterry said:
They mostly didn't have time to get used to it. 51% died in action and only 1 in 4 made it through the war unscathed.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, it must have been terrifying. I guess they must have got used to it in the end.Tashman said:The Lanc was an incredible machine of it's time, but you're all correct, being there helpless as you fly over enemy territory must have been horrific
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Having spoken to a few who had varied experiences, including those in the Falklands, I have come to a sceptical conclusion. If someone offers their war experiences without being asked they are best ignored. Those who were there don't talk about it.Munsford0 said:
While those who served in it rarely spoke about their experiences. My dad for one.TheBigBean said:
It's a generational thing. Many people brought up just after the war idolised everything about it.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
Having spoken to a few who had varied experiences, including those in the Falklands, I have come to a sceptical conclusion. If someone offers their war experiences without being asked they are best ignored. Those who were there don't talk about it.Munsford0 said:
While those who served in it rarely spoke about their experiences. My dad for one.TheBigBean said:
It's a generational thing. Many people brought up just after the war idolised everything about it.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
My great uncle was a pilot in WW1 with the RFC, and never ever spoke about it, more's the pity.
A friend of mine got involved several years ago with the Fleet Air Arm Museum at Yeovilton, capturing the memories of several people who had flown in WW2 - there was a realisation that that generation was going to disappear, along with their undocumented memories, in the following few years. Amazingly, some of them had never been asked. I'm not sure what happened to the interviews, but they have been archived somewhere. By all accounts, some amazing recollections.1 -
https://g.co/kgs/2KZkcZPross said:
I'd be interested to see that as well, I'm not very mechanically minded but I find that wartime inventions bring out all sorts of ingenuity and I think it was accepted that the Germans had superior technology when it came to submarines.rjsterry said:
Sorry, didn't mean my comment to sound accusatory. Was having a similar issue conversation the other day about a German U-boat that is on display in Merseyside. I was surprised how strong the reaction was to the idea of an 'enemy' vessel being on display.Pross said:
I think you can appreciate design and engineering without in some way condoning its purpose. For me seeing a very rare, eighty year old aircraft flying over unexpectedly was enjoyable - doesn't mean I'm misty-eyed that it may have helped wipe Dresden off the map.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)
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My grandfather was a manager at the Dunlop factory (easily seen from the motorway in Birmingham). They used to shift production from the upper floors down to the lower floors at night time because of the bombing as production would never stop. They lost a few employees. He used to go on convalescence in Wales for 2 weeks every year. He never spoke about it.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:
Having spoken to a few who had varied experiences, including those in the Falklands, I have come to a sceptical conclusion. If someone offers their war experiences without being asked they are best ignored. Those who were there don't talk about it.Munsford0 said:
While those who served in it rarely spoke about their experiences. My dad for one.TheBigBean said:
It's a generational thing. Many people brought up just after the war idolised everything about it.rjsterry said:
The attrition of air crews was pretty horrific. Having been looking at the bomb damage maps and photographs for London recently, I find it difficult to to get all misty-eyed about the equipment designed for obliterating cities.Munsford0 said:Been inside the Lancaster at Duxford. It's a lot smaller inside than I imagined, and the alu skin is disturbingly thin. Must've been absolute hell in there hoping to avoid being shredded by AA fire or picked off by a Messerschmitt. Heroism of the highest order
My great uncle was a pilot in WW1 with the RFC, and never ever spoke about it, more's the pity.
A friend of mine got involved several years ago with the Fleet Air Arm Museum at Yeovilton, capturing the memories of several people who had flown in WW2 - there was a realisation that that generation was going to disappear, along with their undocumented memories, in the following few years. Amazingly, some of them had never been asked. I'm not sure what happened to the interviews, but they have been archived somewhere. By all accounts, some amazing recollections.
My great Uncle was a rear gunner in a Wellington and landed at Biggin Hill with the plane on fire. His whole left leg was badly burned and for the rest of his life, the memory would often make him sit in a cold bath. It put him out of the war.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Why is that a boo and not the story before? They're both staff errors. In fact the story about buying 12 bottles was premeditated.TheBigBean said:
Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I think the boo was for pointing out that it wouldn't have cost John Lewis much and trivialising the win.pangolin said:
Why is that a boo and not the story before? They're both staff errors. In fact the story about buying 12 bottles was premeditated.TheBigBean said:
Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)0 -
I'm not sure the former counts as theft as they were paid for at a price, but knowingly keeping unpaid goods does count as theft. That said, my objection is the shoplifters' justification that it is fine, because it's a big evil corporation.pangolin said:
Why is that a boo and not the story before? They're both staff errors. In fact the story about buying 12 bottles was premeditated.TheBigBean said:
Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)
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Pross said:
I think the boo was for pointing out that it wouldn't have cost John Lewis much and trivialising the win.pangolin said:
Why is that a boo and not the story before? They're both staff errors. In fact the story about buying 12 bottles was premeditated.TheBigBean said:
Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)
'Boo' is an annoyingly misinterpretable word. An emoji world have been so much better.0 -
Boo.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
I think the boo was for pointing out that it wouldn't have cost John Lewis much and trivialising the win.pangolin said:
Why is that a boo and not the story before? They're both staff errors. In fact the story about buying 12 bottles was premeditated.TheBigBean said:
Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)
'Boo' is an annoyingly misinterpretable word. An emoji world have been so much better.0 -
🤷♀️TheBigBean said:
Boo.briantrumpet said:Pross said:
I think the boo was for pointing out that it wouldn't have cost John Lewis much and trivialising the win.pangolin said:
Why is that a boo and not the story before? They're both staff errors. In fact the story about buying 12 bottles was premeditated.TheBigBean said:
Boo.ddraver said:
Had a similar experience in Waitrose a few weeks back with a rather nice bottle of whiskey. The poor girl on check out was so stressed about finding someone to go and fetch the bottle to fill the empty box they put on the shelves that she forgot to scan it.haydenm said:I tried to buy 12 bottles of Chateauneuf Du Pape from Morrisons because there was a pricing mistake on the website. All my friends tried the same but had theirs cancelled.
When I went to pick mine up the lady was very apologetic that 6 of the 12 had been substituted for a much more expensive £12 Bordeaux. I'm amazed that no alarm bells rang for them, the wine I had ordered clearly wasn't meant to be £1.50 and was also well below the minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland...
Anyway, it was three weeks ago and still makes me chuckle to myself
Didn't notice until I got home and saw the notification on my phone.
(don't feel too bad about depriving John Lewis of the measly amount the bottle would've cost them)
'Boo' is an annoyingly misinterpretable word. An emoji world have been so much better.0 -
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We once bought a load of bagged hardwood logs from Aldi because we only needed a few and they were on special offer. Pointed out to the manager that their "special offer" was the same as buying the bags singly so she threw in a couple of bottles of wine. When the girl on the till put the logs through as mashed potato and saving us a further £20 we just chucked the lot in the trolley and scooted back to the car.
Got our come-uppance; the logs were rubbish.0 -
Munsford0 said:
We once bought a load of bagged hardwood logs from Aldi because we only needed a few and they were on special offer. Pointed out to the manager that their "special offer" was the same as buying the bags singly so she threw in a couple of bottles of wine. When the girl on the till put the logs through as mashed potato and saving us a further £20 we just chucked the lot in the trolley and scooted back to the car.
Got our come-uppance; the logs were rubbish.
Most firewood in the UK is rubbish and is an utter con. Stuff sold as 'seasoned hardwood' is actually unseasoned softwood. If you can find a reliable supplier who doesn't rip you off, you''ve done well.0 -
Sadly, with the amount of Ash dieback, I'd expect that to change.briantrumpet said:Munsford0 said:We once bought a load of bagged hardwood logs from Aldi because we only needed a few and they were on special offer. Pointed out to the manager that their "special offer" was the same as buying the bags singly so she threw in a couple of bottles of wine. When the girl on the till put the logs through as mashed potato and saving us a further £20 we just chucked the lot in the trolley and scooted back to the car.
Got our come-uppance; the logs were rubbish.
Most firewood in the UK is rubbish and is an utter con. Stuff sold as 'seasoned hardwood' is actually unseasoned softwood. If you can find a reliable supplier who doesn't rip you off, you''ve done well.0 -
Yup. Having spent time in Scandewegia, I can concur. There are 6 or so suppliers locally and I only use 2 and try to get wood well in advance of use.briantrumpet said:Munsford0 said:We once bought a load of bagged hardwood logs from Aldi because we only needed a few and they were on special offer. Pointed out to the manager that their "special offer" was the same as buying the bags singly so she threw in a couple of bottles of wine. When the girl on the till put the logs through as mashed potato and saving us a further £20 we just chucked the lot in the trolley and scooted back to the car.
Got our come-uppance; the logs were rubbish.
Most firewood in the UK is rubbish and is an utter con. Stuff sold as 'seasoned hardwood' is actually unseasoned softwood. If you can find a reliable supplier who doesn't rip you off, you''ve done well.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
masjer said:
Sadly, with the amount of Ash dieback, I'd expect that to change.briantrumpet said:Munsford0 said:We once bought a load of bagged hardwood logs from Aldi because we only needed a few and they were on special offer. Pointed out to the manager that their "special offer" was the same as buying the bags singly so she threw in a couple of bottles of wine. When the girl on the till put the logs through as mashed potato and saving us a further £20 we just chucked the lot in the trolley and scooted back to the car.
Got our come-uppance; the logs were rubbish.
Most firewood in the UK is rubbish and is an utter con. Stuff sold as 'seasoned hardwood' is actually unseasoned softwood. If you can find a reliable supplier who doesn't rip you off, you''ve done well.
It ought to, but firewood suppliers will still find a way of ripping you off.
I remember trying one lot for a 'trailer load' of wood', but half the trailer was half full of tools covered in a tarpaulin. Shysters, the lot of them.0 -
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How else can be people feel like they are living in the sticks?rick_chasey said:Shouldn't be burning firewood anyway.
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Sleep with your sister and complain that the on-the-street parking infront of other people's houses in your nearest town/city aren't plenty enough and are too small for your SUV?0
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How many times in the last 10 years have you flown?rick_chasey said:Shouldn't be burning firewood anyway.
I should be heating my home from power made by burning fossil fuels?
I am not near any gas pipeline so my options would be heating oil, bottled gas (or a large gas tank) or, electricity.
As in another thread; I don't live in an urban area and yes, I do live in the sticks. I also have 2 very efficient wood burners which emit very little smoke - my neighbours opposite wondered what my heating was as they hadn't seen anything coming out of the chimneys.
The key to that is mainly due to well seasoned wood.
Anyhoo - I vow never to fly again and I have calculated that I could fly around the world almost 3 times and still be carbon negative through my recycling work.
Also, I renovated my house and insulated extensively which means it has low fuel consumption. My monthly electricity bill (from a renewable supplier) despite the fuel price hike is currently about £80 per month. That's pretty efficient for a family of 4 in a 3 bed detached.
Lastly, my partner and I sit down every Sunday and plan the weeks shopping so our food waste is minimal.
When this silly government (in Jockland) offer grants towards air source, I would definitely consider installing one.
When the Westminster govt, increase the currently nominal feedback tariffs, I will consider solar/PV panels.
The take up of solar when the feedback tariffs were attractive was high under Gordon Brown's administration.
F*cking useless basket lying duplicitous Tory's and their vested interests.
You can't say people should not be burning wood in isolation of other facts. I fully understand that in urban areas, burning wood is adding to the amount of air pollution and I wouldn't burn wood if I lived in London say.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/17/wood-burners-urban-air-pollution-cancer-risk-studyWood burning stoves in urban areas are responsible for almost half of people’s exposure to cancer-causing chemicals found in air pollution particles, new research has shown.
Domestic wood burning has become the single biggest source of small particle air pollution in the UK, producing three times more than road traffic, government data shows.
Just 8% of the population cause this pollution by burning wood indoors, according to a separate government-commissioned report. It found almost half of those burning indoors were affluent and many chose a fire for aesthetic reasons, rather than heat.
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I do not know what in the above has contradicted my post.
Wood is my primary heat source, I don't burn wood for aesthetic reasons.
I do not live in an urban area.
Do you have a gas boiler Rick?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
