Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

skyblueamateur

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

skyblueamateur

pblakeney said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay.
...
This is another race to the bottom.

There are no winners in the race to the bottom.
The UK is in a race to the bottom.

I should have stated ‘pay rises’ rather than ‘pay’.

You are entirely correct.

pblakeney

skyblueamateur said:

pblakeney said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay.
...
This is another race to the bottom.

There are no winners in the race to the bottom.
The UK is in a race to the bottom.

I should have stated ‘pay rises’ rather than ‘pay’.

You are entirely correct.

I was agreeing with your summary. We are f¨cked.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

There's also the large issue of hundreds of millions being awarded to the Royal Mail board in bonuses and shareholder dividends earlier this year.

skyblueamateur

20% bonuses to managers this year and 20% next year

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Currently employing more agency workers than redundancy numbers being talked about, who also cost more due to agency fees.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

Who here has managed an inflation related pay rise?

Good year for me.

I did very well but the company wide number was 6%

Stevo_666

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

Half year results here (6 months to 25th September) The operating loss is indeed close to £1m per day:
https://internationaldistributionsservices.com/media/11931/ids-plc-hy-2022-23-results-announcement.pdf

If you were running the business, would you prefer to make changes now or carry on making losses and eventually be forced to make more radical changes?

Got some link to show that the fire and rehire is the only issue outstanding and what is really being proposed rather than what the unions claim?

Stevo_666

I see it more as a race to restore a viable business btw.

Stevo_666

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

There's also the large issue of hundreds of millions being awarded to the Royal Mail board in bonuses and shareholder dividends earlier this year.

Could that be for they year when (as Skyblue said) the made a profit?

rjsterry

Pross said:

Not necessarily thinking of the mail strike just the various pay 'demands' that are being reported. Nurses are asking for 5% over inflation, I get that you go into negotiations asking for more than you are actually looking to get but that is just ridiculous. I'm not suggesting they aren't worth that rise and that their pay has been allowed to drop below where it should be but they must have known there was no way they were going to get anything close to that. Other Unions like to dress things up as not being about pay and mention a load of other reasons for their strike action, e.g. safety with rail workers, but there is nearly always a large pay increase amongst what they are asking for.

Have a look at the chart here to see where NHS pay is versus 2010.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-what-has-happened-to-nhs-staff-pay-since-2010

Stevo_666

skyblueamateur said:

20% bonuses to managers this year and 20% next year

So they have already said what bonuses will be next year? Got a source for that?

kingstongraham

What have they done in one year to go from a £200m+ profit to a £200m+ loss in the first 6 months of the year?

That's Royal Mail only, after the effects of ias19 for pensions taken out, from that link.

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

Who here has managed an inflation related pay rise?

Good year for me.

I did very well but the company wide number was 6%

We bumped salaries up 30%.

Pross

rjsterry said:

Pross said:

Not necessarily thinking of the mail strike just the various pay 'demands' that are being reported. Nurses are asking for 5% over inflation, I get that you go into negotiations asking for more than you are actually looking to get but that is just ridiculous. I'm not suggesting they aren't worth that rise and that their pay has been allowed to drop below where it should be but they must have known there was no way they were going to get anything close to that. Other Unions like to dress things up as not being about pay and mention a load of other reasons for their strike action, e.g. safety with rail workers, but there is nearly always a large pay increase amongst what they are asking for.

Have a look at the chart here to see where NHS pay is versus 2010.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-what-has-happened-to-nhs-staff-pay-since-2010

Yep, it's down mainly as a result of them never getting back after austerity. The predicted drop this year will be mainly due to the current very high inflation rate which is hopefully not a long term thing. If they got what they are asking for now that would take them back above the 2010 rate in real-terms wouldn't it? My suggestion is that they get there but accepting the current very high rate of inflation they get a deal that does it over several years instead of trying to rectify 12 years of deteriorating pay in a single rise.

Pross

kingstongraham said:

What have they done in one year to go from a £200m+ profit to a £200m+ loss in the first 6 months of the year?

That's Royal Mail only, after the effects of ias19 for pensions taken out, from that link.

I think the pandemic was good for them (and other delivery companies). It's the problem with bonus systems, you get a payment for a windfall that may have nothing to do with how well the business is operating and give money out in bonuses / dividends that could be getting used to support the business in the longer term.

Pross

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

Who here has managed an inflation related pay rise?

Good year for me.

I did very well but the company wide number was 6%

We bumped salaries up 30%.

What sector are you in? From your posts I assume it is somehow related to investment in infrastructure. Just interested to know where there is that level of growth. In my line of work we've kept reasonably steady although I know some of our clients (house builders) are getting jittery about interest rate rises.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean said:

rick_chasey said:

Who here has managed an inflation related pay rise?

Good year for me.

Yeah that's not quite what I meant, but glad to hear you had a good year!

rick_chasey

Pross said:

Not necessarily thinking of the mail strike just the various pay 'demands' that are being reported. Nurses are asking for 5% over inflation, I get that you go into negotiations asking for more than you are actually looking to get but that is just ridiculous. I'm not suggesting they aren't worth that rise and that their pay has been allowed to drop below where it should be but they must have known there was no way they were going to get anything close to that. Other Unions like to dress things up as not being about pay and mention a load of other reasons for their strike action, e.g. safety with rail workers, but there is nearly always a large pay increase amongst what they are asking for.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-what-has-happened-to-nhs-staff-pay-since-2010

Check this out; the problem is their wage rises for a decade have been below inflation.

kingstongraham

5% and a round of applause will do for me.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

Pross said:

Not necessarily thinking of the mail strike just the various pay 'demands' that are being reported. Nurses are asking for 5% over inflation, I get that you go into negotiations asking for more than you are actually looking to get but that is just ridiculous. I'm not suggesting they aren't worth that rise and that their pay has been allowed to drop below where it should be but they must have known there was no way they were going to get anything close to that. Other Unions like to dress things up as not being about pay and mention a load of other reasons for their strike action, e.g. safety with rail workers, but there is nearly always a large pay increase amongst what they are asking for.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-what-has-happened-to-nhs-staff-pay-since-2010

Check this out; the problem is their wage rises for a decade have been below inflation.

See my reply above to RJS who also posted that.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

What have they done in one year to go from a £200m+ profit to a £200m+ loss in the first 6 months of the year?

That's Royal Mail only, after the effects of ias19 for pensions taken out, from that link.

Not sure, but I don't think there would be a pressing need to restructure things if the business was performing well.

skyblueamateur

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

20% bonuses to managers this year and 20% next year

So they have already said what bonuses will be next year? Got a source for that?

I was incorrect on this, so apologise. It’s 20% for this year.

skyblueamateur

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

Half year results here (6 months to 25th September) The operating loss is indeed close to £1m per day:
https://internationaldistributionsservices.com/media/11931/ids-plc-hy-2022-23-results-announcement.pdf

If you were running the business, would you prefer to make changes now or carry on making losses and eventually be forced to make more radical changes?

Got some link to show that the fire and rehire is the only issue outstanding and what is really being proposed rather than what the unions claim?

If I was overseeing a business that had gone from an operating profit of over £200 million to a loss of £200 million in six months I would probably start by questioning whether I was the right person to be CEO seeing as Thompson has been in the job less then 2 years. I wouldn’t be paying myself huge bonuses either.

I have numerous family members who are on the post and some in Union positions. It’s too emotive an issue for me so I shouldn’t be arguing with strangers on the internet. They are good, decent, hardworking people who are afraid for the future of their jobs and deserve better.

I would encourage anyone on here to have a chat with their local postie and find out what is going on, on the ground.

rick_chasey

Pross said:

rjsterry said:

Pross said:

Not necessarily thinking of the mail strike just the various pay 'demands' that are being reported. Nurses are asking for 5% over inflation, I get that you go into negotiations asking for more than you are actually looking to get but that is just ridiculous. I'm not suggesting they aren't worth that rise and that their pay has been allowed to drop below where it should be but they must have known there was no way they were going to get anything close to that. Other Unions like to dress things up as not being about pay and mention a load of other reasons for their strike action, e.g. safety with rail workers, but there is nearly always a large pay increase amongst what they are asking for.

Have a look at the chart here to see where NHS pay is versus 2010.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-what-has-happened-to-nhs-staff-pay-since-2010

Yep, it's down mainly as a result of them never getting back after austerity. The predicted drop this year will be mainly due to the current very high inflation rate which is hopefully not a long term thing. If they got what they are asking for now that would take them back above the 2010 rate in real-terms wouldn't it? My suggestion is that they get there but accepting the current very high rate of inflation they get a deal that does it over several years instead of trying to rectify 12 years of deteriorating pay in a single rise.

Willing to spaff billions on their mates on dubious PPF offers but won't even give the nurses a real pay rise since before the pandemic!!

Come on.

mully79

Royal Mail are shite. I’ve stopped buying stuff from businesses that only use their delivery service.

Annoying me today is not being able to dry my face in any way on 99% of hand dryers. What happened to the little flick up bit to redirect the air flow they used to have ?

Stevo_666

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

Half year results here (6 months to 25th September) The operating loss is indeed close to £1m per day:
https://internationaldistributionsservices.com/media/11931/ids-plc-hy-2022-23-results-announcement.pdf

If you were running the business, would you prefer to make changes now or carry on making losses and eventually be forced to make more radical changes?

Got some link to show that the fire and rehire is the only issue outstanding and what is really being proposed rather than what the unions claim?

If I was overseeing a business that had gone from an operating profit of over £200 million to a loss of £200 million in six months I would probably start by questioning whether I was the right person to be CEO seeing as Thompson has been in the job less then 2 years. I wouldn’t be paying myself huge bonuses either.

I have numerous family members who are on the post and some in Union positions. It’s too emotive an issue for me so I shouldn’t be arguing with strangers on the internet. They are good, decent, hardworking people who are afraid for the future of their jobs and deserve better.

I would encourage anyone on here to have a chat with their local postie and find out what is going on, on the ground.

Probably best not to continue this one then.

Where I do have sympathy with the rank and file union members is that many of them are being used as pawns by the union barons who are desperate to stick one on the nasty tories and justify their (in some cases) rather high salaries.

surrey_commuter

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

Half year results here (6 months to 25th September) The operating loss is indeed close to £1m per day:
https://internationaldistributionsservices.com/media/11931/ids-plc-hy-2022-23-results-announcement.pdf

If you were running the business, would you prefer to make changes now or carry on making losses and eventually be forced to make more radical changes?

Got some link to show that the fire and rehire is the only issue outstanding and what is really being proposed rather than what the unions claim?

If I was overseeing a business that had gone from an operating profit of over £200 million to a loss of £200 million in six months I would probably start by questioning whether I was the right person to be CEO seeing as Thompson has been in the job less then 2 years. I wouldn’t be paying myself huge bonuses either.

I have numerous family members who are on the post and some in Union positions. It’s too emotive an issue for me so I shouldn’t be arguing with strangers on the internet. They are good, decent, hardworking people who are afraid for the future of their jobs and deserve better.

I would encourage anyone on here to have a chat with their local postie and find out what is going on, on the ground.

From what I have heard the posties are being asked to do more and more.
It seems obvious to me that they need to go down to one deliver a day and review it from there.

20 years ago our office used to get 10-12 sacks delivered in the morning and another 3-4 at lunchtime. Pre-pandemic it was down to half a sack a day.

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

Half year results here (6 months to 25th September) The operating loss is indeed close to £1m per day:
https://internationaldistributionsservices.com/media/11931/ids-plc-hy-2022-23-results-announcement.pdf

If you were running the business, would you prefer to make changes now or carry on making losses and eventually be forced to make more radical changes?

Got some link to show that the fire and rehire is the only issue outstanding and what is really being proposed rather than what the unions claim?

If I was overseeing a business that had gone from an operating profit of over £200 million to a loss of £200 million in six months I would probably start by questioning whether I was the right person to be CEO seeing as Thompson has been in the job less then 2 years. I wouldn’t be paying myself huge bonuses either.

I have numerous family members who are on the post and some in Union positions. It’s too emotive an issue for me so I shouldn’t be arguing with strangers on the internet. They are good, decent, hardworking people who are afraid for the future of their jobs and deserve better.

I would encourage anyone on here to have a chat with their local postie and find out what is going on, on the ground.

From what I have heard the posties are being asked to do more and more.
It seems obvious to me that they need to go down to one deliver a day and review it from there.

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It's been a single delivery per day for decades in my area. One of their bug bears is the amount of unaddressed junk mail they have to deliver along with letters & parcels.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Stevo_666 said:

skyblueamateur said:

Pross said:

I took a cut (works out around £200 per month take home) to change jobs. Prior to moving I'd had about a £1k increase in the 5 years I'd been in that job and no rise in the 18 months I was in my previous job. I'm earning £9k less now (actual money not real-terms) than I was in 2015 and I also had more benefits then (car, healthcare etc.). Money is no longer the first priority for me on the work front - still important obviously but as long as I'm earning enough to pay the bills and tuck away a little bit in the savings account each month I'd rather something with less stress.

If I'd stayed in my previous job I would have been pushing for a decent rise as the company had become well-established and was bringing people in at higher salaries but I wouldn't have been expecting a pay rise to match inflation. It just isn't realistic at the moment with the inflation rate not reflecting growth. I think Unions asking for inflation beating rises are deliberately looking for confrontation, they'd be better looking at getting longer term deals e.g. 5% now and then 1 or 2% above inflation when it is below a certain level. That said, I appreciate that if you are just scraping by on your current salary and your costs are going up by 11% that isn't a great help.

Structured pay increases are also the way to go with the lowest paid getting a higher percentage of the overall pot, it's what used to happen when I was in a Union 30 years ago and may still be the way it is still done with the media just reporting the average.

The Royal Mail strike isn’t to do with pay. The headline ‘9% offer over 18 months’ actually equates to a pay cut for the majority as they are doing away with different allowances. This also involves the unions agreeing to redundancies, at a lower rate than agreed, of 25,000 staff, while they keep 11,500 agency workers.

Royal Mail are trying to replace their staff with agency workers, on less money and become Evri.

We use Royal Mail and Parcel Force because of the quality of service. That is in main due to having regular staff who know our business and times of collection etc.

Whenever we’ve tried using a courier with subbies we sack them off after a few months due to the issues we have with them.

This is another race to the bottom.

There is also the small issue of being able to compete properly with the competition and updating some of the restrictive practices that are preventing Royal Mail from doing so. Their last set of financial results suggest that change is needed.

Their last set of published accounts announced profits of £758 million. They are now stating ‘they are losing a million pound a day’.

£2billion pound has been paid out in dividends since privatisation.

The workers are quite happy agreeing to modernisation measures. They won’t accept fire and rehire. Would you?

Half year results here (6 months to 25th September) The operating loss is indeed close to £1m per day:
https://internationaldistributionsservices.com/media/11931/ids-plc-hy-2022-23-results-announcement.pdf

If you were running the business, would you prefer to make changes now or carry on making losses and eventually be forced to make more radical changes?

Got some link to show that the fire and rehire is the only issue outstanding and what is really being proposed rather than what the unions claim?

If I was overseeing a business that had gone from an operating profit of over £200 million to a loss of £200 million in six months I would probably start by questioning whether I was the right person to be CEO seeing as Thompson has been in the job less then 2 years. I wouldn’t be paying myself huge bonuses either.

I have numerous family members who are on the post and some in Union positions. It’s too emotive an issue for me so I shouldn’t be arguing with strangers on the internet. They are good, decent, hardworking people who are afraid for the future of their jobs and deserve better.

I would encourage anyone on here to have a chat with their local postie and find out what is going on, on the ground.

From what I have heard the posties are being asked to do more and more.
It seems obvious to me that they need to go down to one deliver a day and review it from there.

20 years ago our office used to get 10-12 sacks delivered in the morning and another 3-4 at lunchtime. Pre-pandemic it was down to half a sack a day.

Postie I was talking to who does night shifts was explaining one of the things they want to do is take away the night-shift premium, so those on the night-shift in the sorting office get paid the same per hour as the day shifts.

I think that costs him something like 5-10% of his pay, and then inflation on top of that.