Paul Kimmage.....

johny c
johny c Posts: 256
edited August 2014 in Pro race
......talking on radio about recent events, I thought it deserved to have a thread of it's own:

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/paul-kimmage-on-off-the-ball/#respond
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  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    Great clip - thanks.

    It'd never happen, but it's interesting to wonder what might happen to Kimmage in a gig like president of the UCI. Could someone who is renowned for impassioned straight-talking and integrity go into such a role and cope with the perverting effect of all the croneyism and politics?

    Glad to hear that although he'd rather not have the lawsuit against him from McQuaid, Kimmage is going to respond with all guns blazing (although not sure how that could actually manifest itself in such a case).
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Great clip - thanks.

    It'd never happen, but it's interesting to wonder what might happen to Kimmage in a gig like president of the UCI. Could someone who is renowned for impassioned straight-talking and integrity go into such a role and cope with the perverting effect of all the croneyism and politics?

    Glad to hear that although he'd rather not have the lawsuit against him from McQuaid, Kimmage is going to respond with all guns blazing (although not sure how that could actually manifest itself in such a case).

    What the UCI needs now is someone competent in turning around a broken organisation - not someone populist nominee with zero experience who got the gig because we felt sorry for him. Same goes for both Millars.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    LangerDan wrote:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Great clip - thanks.

    It'd never happen, but it's interesting to wonder what might happen to Kimmage in a gig like president of the UCI. Could someone who is renowned for impassioned straight-talking and integrity go into such a role and cope with the perverting effect of all the croneyism and politics?

    Glad to hear that although he'd rather not have the lawsuit against him from McQuaid, Kimmage is going to respond with all guns blazing (although not sure how that could actually manifest itself in such a case).

    What the UCI needs now is someone competent in turning around a broken organisation - not someone populist nominee with zero experience who got the gig because we felt sorry for him. Same goes for both Millars.

    You don't actually think I was suggesting Kimmage for the post, do you?
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    Great clip - thanks.

    It'd never happen, but it's interesting to wonder what might happen to Kimmage in a gig like president of the UCI. Could someone who is renowned for impassioned straight-talking and integrity go into such a role and cope with the perverting effect of all the croneyism and politics?

    Glad to hear that although he'd rather not have the lawsuit against him from McQuaid, Kimmage is going to respond with all guns blazing (although not sure how that could actually manifest itself in such a case).

    What the UCI needs now is someone competent in turning around a broken organisation - not someone populist nominee with zero experience who got the gig because we felt sorry for him. Same goes for both Millars.

    You don't actually think I was suggesting Kimmage for the post, do you?

    I've seen some strange things in the past week. A post on another forum yesterday suggested giving the 7 TdF victories to LeMond,Betsy Andreu, Simeoni, Kimmage etc
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    LangerDan wrote:

    I've seen some strange things in the past week. A post on another forum yesterday suggested giving the 7 TdF victories to LeMond,Betsy Andreu, Simeoni, Kimmage etc

    Whoever posted that...were they a well-known Spanish cyclist? Perhaps there's a virus knocking about at the moment that turns Spanish cyclists mental. Or maybe that's just the latent effect of years on the gear...
    I can't wait to hear what Delgado's got to say re UCI/Armstrong...
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    How about making a list of the respected and successful administrators in other sports and poaching whoever is considered to be the best. That's how business's headhunt isn't it?
    @JaunePeril

    Winner of the Bike Radar Pro Race Wiggins Hour Prediction Competition
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    How about making a list of the respected and successful administrators in other sports and poaching whoever is considered to be the best. That's how business's headhunt isn't it?


    Clive Woodward's on the market...
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    How about making a list of the respected and successful administrators in other sports and poaching whoever is considered to be the best. That's how business's headhunt isn't it?

    "Paging Rick Chasey to the "Paul Kimmage thread, please"


    A short while ago, Iainf suggested Bob Stapleton. In an interview in the past couple of days, Stapleton hinted that now he's over his health problems, he might be coming back into the sport.
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Next season Sky should ban Kimmage from their press conferences on the basis that he was a doper. Just because it would he funny.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    RichN95 wrote:
    Next season Sky should ban Kimmage from their press conferences on the basis that he was a doper. Just because it would he funny.


    LOL
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    LangerDan wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    How about making a list of the respected and successful administrators in other sports and poaching whoever is considered to be the best. That's how business's headhunt isn't it?

    "Paging Rick Chasey to the "Paul Kimmage thread, please"


    A short while ago, Iainf suggested Bob Stapleton. In an interview in the past couple of days, Stapleton hinted that now he's over his health problems, he might be coming back into the sport.


    Personally I'd still favour someone from outside the sport - no previous ties or links, no friends or foes, no history (and I dont just mean dopage). Totally fresh perspective.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Kimmage's thoughts (with a lot of swearing removed, I expect) post-Monday's UCI press conference

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/ ... nce_262474
  • mercsport
    mercsport Posts: 664
    johny c thanks for the clip, it was great to hear Kimmage. I hadn't realised that the ST had fired him for being too forthright in his articles on pro-cycling (I had believed that he had succumbed to the mercies of the accountants and was 'laid-off'), and that the ST didn't publish a lot of what he wrote. What have we missed I wonder?

    Yet Walsh remains onboard, doesn't he?

    On another level, I couldn't quite work out whether he was serious about hiring a jumbo jet to 'go get'em' at the UCI. If he wasn't, that's the fighting fund blown just about, never mind the lawyers. :?
    "Lick My Decals Off, Baby"
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    mercsport wrote:
    johny c thanks for the clip, it was great to hear Kimmage. I hadn't realised that the ST had fired him for being too forthright in his articles on pro-cycling (I had believed that he had succumbed to the mercies of the accountants and was 'laid-off'), and that the ST didn't publish a lot of what he wrote. What have we missed I wonder?

    Yet Walsh remains onboard, doesn't he?

    That's just Kimmage playing the martyr (he loves to do that). The Sunday Times got rid of about 100 staff at the same time, The Times another 100.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... Times.html
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • mercsport
    mercsport Posts: 664
    Lest we forget PK and this thread gets submerged here are a couple of links that may have been overlooked in the welter of stuff that's been about this last few weeks.

    This is the article for the Irish Independent PK mentioned in the radio interview: http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-s ... 58595.html

    And also an interview with PK on an Oz bike site: http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/10/q ... l-kimmage/ within which he enlarges upon his jumbo-jet idea: "PK: I’ll be governed by what the lawyers say. I know what I want to do, the defence I want to make and that would involve some pretty good witnesses. … My intention would be to fill a Boeing 747 full of people. I know that won’t actually be enough, in terms of people who’ve been disenfranchised and have witnessed how badly the sport’s been run first hand. I know a Boeing 747 won’t be enough, but I hope maybe to get two or three." I've probably got the wrong end of the stick but he sounds serious; is that 'two or three' 747's? Sounds like it!

    RichN95, thanks for the DT link on the mass culling of assorted NI journo's and staff. I thought so, however on the PK Wiki there is this line, "In 2012 Kimmage was layed off from the Sunday Times. He has claimed that the loss of his job is related to his reporting on doping in cycling. Because many of his doping and cycling stories were rejected by the papers lawyers, he was unable to get as many published articles as he otherwise would have, and this led to his losing his job." Re' PK playing the martyr bit; considering the stick he's been subjected to over the years its small wonder that he feels persecuted.

    I wish PK the best in his run-in with PM and HV.
    "Lick My Decals Off, Baby"
  • Gavin Cook
    Gavin Cook Posts: 307
    Lance and the audience having a laugh at Kimmage a few years back. Whos laughing now !!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7CX ... ture=share

    Gavin
  • mercsport
    mercsport Posts: 664
    Gavin Cook wrote:
    Lance and the audience having a laugh at Kimmage a few years back. Whos laughing now !!

    George, Levi and Ivan looking po'-faced the while during that clip. I'd never noticed Liggett there before, and similarly afflicted by the mask of inscrutability during that clip, although have seen it a few times before.
    "Lick My Decals Off, Baby"
  • Wrath Rob
    Wrath Rob Posts: 2,918
    Defamation case on hold now pending output of independent investigation set up by UCI http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-man ... ongs-tours
    FCN3: Titanium Qoroz.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    LangerDan wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    How about making a list of the respected and successful administrators in other sports and poaching whoever is considered to be the best. That's how business's headhunt isn't it?

    "Paging Rick Chasey to the "Paul Kimmage thread, please"


    A short while ago, Iainf suggested Bob Stapleton. In an interview in the past couple of days, Stapleton hinted that now he's over his health problems, he might be coming back into the sport.


    Personally I'd still favour someone from outside the sport - no previous ties or links, no friends or foes, no history (and I dont just mean dopage). Totally fresh perspective.


    Meh, UCI don't bill enough.
    _
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    Richmond Racer wrote:

    Personally I'd still favour someone from outside the sport - no previous ties or links, no friends or foes, no history (and I dont just mean dopage). Totally fresh perspective.
    Difficult. Would anyone who is any good want to risk their future career prospects by picking up the poisoned chalice that is cycling?
    Un uomo solo al commando
  • rjgr
    rjgr Posts: 52
    Richmond Racer wrote:

    Clive Woodward's on the market...

    And has a track record of imposing a professional management structure on a sport historically run by a group of out of touch old farts!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    How about making a list of the respected and successful administrators in other sports and poaching whoever is considered to be the best. That's how business's headhunt isn't it?


    Clive Woodward's on the market...

    The man who's team were described as looking like "white Orcs on steroids" possibly with good reason ;)
  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    From Kimmage's Twitter account:

    "Paul Kimmage @PaulKimmage
    My lawyer, Cedric Aguet, works for Bonnard Lawson in Geneva. I call him Maximus. He has just unleashed hell."
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,649
    I have lodged a criminal complaint against Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid. I have initiated these proceedings not for myself - this is...
    ..not about Paul Kimmage, but on behalf of the whistle blowers - Stephen Swart, Frankie Andreu, Floyd Landis, Christophe Bassons..
    ...Nicolas Aubier, Gilles Delion, Graeme Obree and every other cyclist who stood up for truth and the sport they loved and were dismissed...
    ..as "cowards" and "scumbags" by Verbruggen and McQuaid.

    Wow.
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  • dodgy
    dodgy Posts: 2,890
    I hope that's a quote and not that you are also lodging same complaint ;)
  • tremayne
    tremayne Posts: 378
    At last - the death knell tolls for hein and pat. Fitting that Kimmage should be the one. Very fitting.
  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    Oh wow, Kimmage is great. Verbruggen probably just pissed his pants.
  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Kimmage has requested the opening of a criminal investigation for ‘slander/defamation, denigration and for strong suspicions of fraud.’

    Not sure how you can make a criminal complaint for slander / defamation or denigration.

    If Fatman and Rob-it in Aigle have any smarts, they need to force Kimmage to bring Floyd as a witness. "Mr. Landis. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the.....oh bollox"
    'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'
  • reverendmark
    reverendmark Posts: 67
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I have lodged a criminal complaint against Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid. I have initiated these proceedings not for myself - this is...
    ..not about Paul Kimmage, but on behalf of the whistle blowers - Stephen Swart, Frankie Andreu, Floyd Landis, Christophe Bassons..
    ...Nicolas Aubier, Gilles Delion, Graeme Obree and every other cyclist who stood up for truth and the sport they loved and were dismissed...
    ..as "cowards" and "scumbags" by Verbruggen and McQuaid.

    Wow.

    I assume he's got the permission of those people, otherwise it's a bit like Lance speaking on behalf of everyone in the room...
  • mercsport
    mercsport Posts: 664
    Of course its there on Cycling News now: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/kimmage ... en-mcquaid
    "In addition, Paul Kimmage informs the Swiss criminal authorities of the strong suspicions which weigh on at least Hein Verbruggen to have granted, directly or indirectly, the essential assistance which allowed Lance Armstrong to gain significant sums of money in and out of competition while he was doped."

    That's just made my day. :D I wonder if Kimmage qualifies for SPOTY?
    "Lick My Decals Off, Baby"

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