Drugs in other sports and the media.

joelsim

BTW a couple more Meldoniums already today, to add to the several yesterday.

Let's see if we can get to 50 this month.

joelsim

Russia's Red Herrings now available on YouTube in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGVKE3 ... e=youtu.be

No_Ta_Doctor

Joelsim wrote:

Russia's Red Herrings now available on YouTube in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGVKE3 ... e=youtu.be

Featuring the world's most joke athletics sport - walking.

Just. F******. Run.

ocdupalais

No tA Doctor wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Russia's Red Herrings now available on YouTube in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGVKE3 ... e=youtu.be

Featuring the world's most joke athletics sport - walking.

Just. F******. Run.

Or hop.

There are 4 very good reasons I can think of, straightaway, for swapping walking with hopping as an Olympic sport:
1. It wouldn't look as stupid
2. They wouldn't need officials positioned everywhere with playback facilities to see if the competitors were having a sneaky run. And why is that?...
3. Able bodied competitors would have a leg of their choice strapped up at the start - and...
4. Leg amputees could compete with the able bodied at an advantage (without the extra leg weight)

Everyone's a winner.

No_Ta_Doctor

OCDuPalais wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Russia's Red Herrings now available on YouTube in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGVKE3 ... e=youtu.be

Featuring the world's most joke athletics sport - walking.

Just. F******. Run.

Or hop.

There are 4 very good reasons I can think of, straightaway, for swapping walking with hopping as an Olympic sport:
1. It wouldn't look as stupid
2. They wouldn't need officials positioned everywhere with playback facilities to see if the competitors were having a sneaky run. And why is that?...
3. Able bodied competitors would have a leg of their choice strapped up at the start - and...
4. Leg amputees could compete with the able bodied at an advantage (without the extra leg weight)

Everyone's a winner.

I'm sold.

Though I was rather hoping we could have a three legged race. I won one at a school sports day once, when I was about 9. To this date it remains my sole sporting victory.

joelsim

No tA Doctor wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Russia's Red Herrings now available on YouTube in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGVKE3 ... e=youtu.be

Featuring the world's most joke athletics sport - walking.

Just. F******. Run.

Or hop.

There are 4 very good reasons I can think of, straightaway, for swapping walking with hopping as an Olympic sport:
1. It wouldn't look as stupid
2. They wouldn't need officials positioned everywhere with playback facilities to see if the competitors were having a sneaky run. And why is that?...
3. Able bodied competitors would have a leg of their choice strapped up at the start - and...
4. Leg amputees could compete with the able bodied at an advantage (without the extra leg weight)

Everyone's a winner.

I'm sold.

Though I was rather hoping we could have a three legged race. I won one at a school sports day once, when I was about 9. To this date it remains my sole sporting victory.

I shouldn't laugh.

But if you're ever going to bet on the Olympics, bet on the Paralympics. Because they're all winners.











OK I accept my ban but I've been telling sh*te gags since 2006 and my family think it's funny. I hold my hand to my heart when I say I'm sorry

awavey

ddraver wrote:

underlayunderlay wrote:

Poitr wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

Poitr wrote:

The real problem that this is going to expose is where does the line lie between drugs that treat chronic ailments and drugs that are performance enhancing. If I have a protruding disc in my back, taking a pain killer will enhance my performance. If I'm asthmatic (even if your not actually) a couple of puffs on a ventolin inhaler will improve my performance. Ritalin is on the list which means if you have a kid with ADHD and he's good at sport, he has to come off his meds to compete at a high level.

This has been looked at any times - a couple of puffs won't improve performance in non asthmatics:
Kindermann W, Meyer T. Inhaled β2 agonists and performance in competitive athletes. British Journal of Sports Medicine. 2006;40(Suppl 1):i43-i47. doi:10.1136/bjsm.2006.027748.

Unfortunately virtually every study is done on the wrong athletes ie cyclists and middle distance runners. The measurable effect only lasts for a few minutes so is only useful to sprinters or weightlifters etc.

3000m steeplechase records are sub 8 and sub 9 minutes for men and women, so even a few minutes benefit might give an advantage. Cycling really is an outlier in terms of length of effort, even if being seated does make it easier to recover midrace.

Yeah yeah but Froome has one in his pocket for the climbs...

yep just like I always have an inhaler in my pocket or handbag,my inhaler is about the only thing thats ever guaranteeably within arms reach of me 24/7 365 days a year and for the rest of my life, its not a performance enhancing drug.

all the video evidence of Froomey using an inhaler Ive seen is entirely consistent IMO of someone who has asthma, which is totally unlike the general film/tv portrayals you see of actors when pretending to have asthma who generally dont have a clue how to use the inhaler and just puff away on them at random points in the story like its a cigarette or prop,or understand really what the inhaler is doing or what it feels like when you absolutely feel you really need an inhaler.

a few puffs on an inhaler wont transform anyones physiology into some souped up super human, but it will make someone who has asthma feel like they can actually breathe again.

Poitr

awavey wrote:

ddraver wrote:

underlayunderlay wrote:

Poitr wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

Poitr wrote:

The real problem that this is going to expose is where does the line lie between drugs that treat chronic ailments and drugs that are performance enhancing. If I have a protruding disc in my back, taking a pain killer will enhance my performance. If I'm asthmatic (even if your not actually) a couple of puffs on a ventolin inhaler will improve my performance. Ritalin is on the list which means if you have a kid with ADHD and he's good at sport, he has to come off his meds to compete at a high level.

This has been looked at any times - a couple of puffs won't improve performance in non asthmatics:
Kindermann W, Meyer T. Inhaled β2 agonists and performance in competitive athletes. British Journal of Sports Medicine. 2006;40(Suppl 1):i43-i47. doi:10.1136/bjsm.2006.027748.

Unfortunately virtually every study is done on the wrong athletes ie cyclists and middle distance runners. The measurable effect only lasts for a few minutes so is only useful to sprinters or weightlifters etc.

3000m steeplechase records are sub 8 and sub 9 minutes for men and women, so even a few minutes benefit might give an advantage. Cycling really is an outlier in terms of length of effort, even if being seated does make it easier to recover midrace.

Yeah yeah but Froome has one in his pocket for the climbs...

yep just like I always have an inhaler in my pocket or handbag,my inhaler is about the only thing thats ever guaranteeably within arms reach of me 24/7 365 days a year and for the rest of my life, its not a performance enhancing drug.

all the video evidence of Froomey using an inhaler Ive seen is entirely consistent IMO of someone who has asthma, which is totally unlike the general film/tv portrayals you see of actors when pretending to have asthma who generally dont have a clue how to use the inhaler and just puff away on them at random points in the story like its a cigarette or prop,or understand really what the inhaler is doing or what it feels like when you absolutely feel you really need an inhaler.

a few puffs on an inhaler wont transform anyones physiology into some souped up super human, but it will make someone who has asthma feel like they can actually breathe again.

It just seams that if your a pro cyclist you are apparently about 10x more likely to suffer asthma than the national average. Maybe cycling is dangerous to your health.

Richmond Racer 2

^you are confusing classic asthma with EIA

Higher rate of EIA amongst elite athletes vs the ordinary Joe, for various reasons - such as the specific environmental conditions in which they are pushing their bodies to the level of rapid breathing through the physical exertion - chlorine in pools for swimmers, the cold air for roadies etc - conditions they're exposed to constantly.

Many don't use puffers. They control symptoms through breathing techniques and other techniques.

narbs

Back to Sharapova, Head are not only not cancelling their endorsement but will be extending it.

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/statu ... 5695986688

RichN95.

narbs wrote:

Back to Sharapova, Head are not only not cancelling their endorsement but will be extending it.

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/statu ... 5695986688

Good for them. You find out who your real friends are in times of trouble. I admire their loyalty. This isn't Adam Johnson or Oscar Pistorius. (The deal is probably very favourable for Head too).

surrey_commuter

Cycling and swimming are both sports recommended for asthmatics so yes they could be disproportionately represented in those sports. On the other side of the coin mates who have tried my ventolin says it does help them breath - does it even matter if that is pure pacebo

sherer

Good news is Nadal says he is clean

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35770949

Wonder who the Spaniard who was linked to Puerto was then ? Bet they are crazy about this over at the asylum

lostboysaint

sherer wrote:

Good news is Nadal says he is clean

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35770949

Wonder who the Spaniard who was linked to Puerto was then ? Bet they are crazy about this over at the asylum

When all he was asked was for a comment on the Sharapova situation! Move along people nothing to see here :twisted:

dolan_driver

Here are a few comments from Sharapova's colleagues.

Petra Kvitova: "Of course it's not great for her. It's something which we all should know, what we are taking and what we are putting into the body."

Agnieszka Radwanska: "A very sad day for tennis. We're in shock all of us. Nobody expected that for sure." I'd have thought it was a good day for tennis, a cheat has been caught.

Svetlana Kuznetsova: "This strange mistake will not be able to outshine all of what she has achieved in tennis." Unless of course her entire career has been built on PEDs.

Novak Djokovic: "I feel for her with all that's happening and I just hope she gets out of this stronger." She sure will if she can find a replacement for Mendolium, Novak.

Tennis has just had it's Lance Armstrong moment, let's see if they support clean competition or protect the dirty business of modern tennis.

DD.

Richmond Racer 2

Hmm, this isn't really a Lance moment, DD

Obvs I'm making no assumption that Sharapova's been on the level, but...

This is somewhat outshone by 20+ witnesses signing affidavits that Lance did blood doping, EPO, steroids, supply, trafficking and coercion

darkhairedlord

Scottish Footy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35776618

The_Boy

darkhairedlord wrote:

Scottish Footy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35776618

Hmmm, the thread title says 'sports' so I've no idea what Scottish football is doing in here.

Note: only smelly people from North of the Wall are allowed to say that. *stern look*

orraloon

The_Boy wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Scottish Footy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35776618

...
Note: only smelly people from North of the Wall are allowed to say that. *stern look*

I qualify, through BO or whatever. I thought the whole point of these illicits was performance enhancement. Anyone seen any Scottish football recently? Is a far cry from the days of King Kenny.

No_Ta_Doctor

orraloon wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Scottish Footy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35776618

...
Note: only smelly people from North of the Wall are allowed to say that. *stern look*

I qualify, through BO or whatever. I thought the whole point of these illicits was performance enhancement. Anyone seen any Scottish football recently? Is a far cry from the days of King Kenny.

A casual oberserver, having seen both Scottish football and Trainspotting, might deduce that skag was the illicit of choice for Scottish footballers.

However, having lived amongst the natives for three years I may be almost qualified to point out that 11 year old kids playing 11 a side with full size goals on a full size pitch is probably not the way you produce players with exceptional ball control and vision, and instead favours hoofing it up the park to the kid that grew a bit earlier than his year.

bompington

orraloon wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Scottish Footy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35776618

...
Note: only smelly people from North of the Wall are allowed to say that. *stern look*

I qualify, through BO or whatever. I thought the whole point of these illicits was performance enhancement. Anyone seen any Scottish football recently? Is a far cry from the days of King Kenny.

Hence why the Scottish FA can so confidently claim they're clean...

Macaloon

We're on the marching powder...

yorkshireraw

No tA Doctor wrote:

orraloon wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Scottish Footy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35776618

...
Note: only smelly people from North of the Wall are allowed to say that. *stern look*

I qualify, through BO or whatever. I thought the whole point of these illicits was performance enhancement. Anyone seen any Scottish football recently? Is a far cry from the days of King Kenny.

A casual oberserver, having seen both Scottish football and Trainspotting, might deduce that skag was the illicit of choice for Scottish footballers.

However, having lived amongst the natives for three years I may be almost qualified to point out that 11 year old kids playing 11 a side with full size goals on a full size pitch is probably not the way you produce players with exceptional ball control and vision, and instead favours hoofing it up the park to the kid that grew a bit earlier than his year.

spot on - I think in Germany kids aren't allowed to play 11 a side until they're 16? Something like that. Also there's no actual leagues etc.for kids, so it's not about winning at that age, but about skill development. Not sure how they do at senior level etc. but they could be on to something....

dolan_driver

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Hmm, this isn't really a Lance moment, DD

Obvs I'm making no assumption that Sharapova's been on the level, but...

This is somewhat outshone by 20+ witnesses signing affidavits that Lance did blood doping, EPO, steroids, supply, trafficking and coercion

I made the comparison with Lance in so much as Maria is the golden girl of tennis while Lance was the golden boy of cycling. The level of doping is very different, yes, but arguably the biggest name in female tennis has been popped and it will be interesting to see if the authorities take a firm stance against this failed test or if they seek to protect their sport and one of their major draws at tournaments. As I understand it, she can only be issued with a retrospective TUE if both the tennis authorites and WADA agree that she is entitled to one. It will be interesting to see if she gets off ligtlhy or not.

DD.

ddraver

I don't (really don't!) want to sound all Ross Tucker about this but letting an independent doctor evaluate if she really needed it or not would be a good plan. Better than Kreuziger's lie detector test at any rate*...

*though I suppose technically that was "right"

joelsim

60 pops so far this year for Meldonium.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/sp ... 0&referer=

sherer

H

ddraver wrote:

I don't (really don't!) want to sound all Ross Tucker about this but letting an independent doctor evaluate if she really needed it or not would be a good plan. Better than Kreuziger's lie detector test at any rate*...

*though I suppose technically that was "right"

I said the same further up the thread.

In fact thinking about it more I think it's something WADA and the other bodies should be doing anyway

slim_boy_fat

I see Sharapova's racquet sponsor have come out and said they think WADA are wrong to have meldonium on the banned list. Quite honestly what the feck has it got to do with them. Stick to making racquets and leave the important stuff to others. Murray, who is also sponsored by them, has said they have taken a 'strange stance' on the subject.

Quite impressed by Murray's comments from yesterday also.

"I think, since 1 January, there have been 55 different athletes who have failed tests for meldonium," Murray told BBC Radio 5 live.

"I find it strange that there's a prescription drug used for heart conditions and so many athletes competing at the top level of their sport would have that condition. That sounds a bit off to me."

Murray also said tennis needed to do more to combat the threat of doping.

"It's better than it was a few years ago," he said. "Last year I certainly got tested a lot, but this year I have been tested twice, three months into the year, which clearly is not enough."

timoid.

I really like Murray's stance on this.

Compare it to the mealy mouth words of Djokovic and Williams.

awavey

Slim Boy Fat wrote:

I see Sharapova's racquet sponsor have come out and said they think WADA are wrong to have meldonium on the banned list. Quite honestly what the feck has it got to do with them. Stick to making racquets and leave the important stuff to others. Murray, who is also sponsored by them, has said they have taken a 'strange stance' on the subject.

Quite impressed by Murray's comments from yesterday also.

"I think, since 1 January, there have been 55 different athletes who have failed tests for meldonium," Murray told BBC Radio 5 live.

"I find it strange that there's a prescription drug used for heart conditions and so many athletes competing at the top level of their sport would have that condition. That sounds a bit off to me."

Murray also said tennis needed to do more to combat the threat of doping.

"It's better than it was a few years ago," he said. "Last year I certainly got tested a lot, but this year I have been tested twice, three months into the year, which clearly is not enough."

those are out of competition tests...right ? albeit still not great but hes not saying he went all the way to the mens australian open final & has only been tested no more than 3 times :shock:

as for Head, well what can you say I suppose if you do choose this exact moment to extend your sponsorship deal, youve got to really jump through some strange logic hoops to justify not wasting your cash.