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  • topper_harley
    topper_harley Posts: 597
    The_Boy wrote:
    Weigh-ins in boxing take place the day before the fight. I'd like to find a drug that allows one to gain significant amounts of lean muscle in 24 hours.
    Aye but you can you still take a punch? :lol:
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Topper harley wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Weigh-ins in boxing take place the day before the fight. I'd like to find a drug that allows one to gain significant amounts of lean muscle in 24 hours.
    Aye but you can you still take a punch? :lol:

    If the money's right I'll stay on my feet that long...
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,700
    The_Boy wrote:
    Weigh-ins in boxing take place the day before the fight. I'd like to find a drug that allows one to gain significant amounts of lean muscle in 24 hours.

    It's not about gaining muscle in 24hrs, it's about being at a fighting/healthy/optimum weight that is a few kgs over the limit then extreme dieting or not drinking before the weigh in to come back up to that optimum weight. However it is not actually that easy to fully rehydrate and fuel in 24hrs if you have really taken it to extremes so there are drugs that will help with that.

    Being able to "make weight" has become a major skill for a fighter now as it means you can compete against opponents that may be naturally smaller or weaker
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  • stu-bim
    stu-bim Posts: 384
    The_Boy wrote:
    Weigh-ins in boxing take place the day before the fight. I'd like to find a drug that allows one to gain significant amounts of lean muscle in 24 hours.

    Clenbuterol is largely used to retain muscle mass while dropping weight quickly

    This could be used to get in good CV shape for an upcoming fight

    Actually most bodybuilding abused drugs are for cutting rather than mass building

    Mass can be gained slowly over time but cutting weight and retaining muscle can be a harder thing to do
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    ddraver wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Weigh-ins in boxing take place the day before the fight. I'd like to find a drug that allows one to gain significant amounts of lean muscle in 24 hours.

    It's not about gaining muscle in 24hrs, it's about being at a fighting/healthy/optimum weight that is a few kgs over the limit then extreme dieting or not drinking before the weigh in to come back up to that optimum weight. However it is not actually that easy to fully rehydrate and fuel in 24hrs if you have really taken it to extremes so there are drugs that will help with that.

    Being able to "make weight" has become a major skill for a fighter now as it means you can compete against opponents that may be naturally smaller or weaker

    I'm familiar with what boxers go through to make weight. Friend-of-a-friend was an amateur pugilist, and even at his lowly level cutting weight was a 'thing'.

    You'll note though that the post prior to mine (which I was responding to) refers to 'bulking up'. That's a phrase that has a clear meaning, ime, whether used by combat sportists, thugs or gym junkies.
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    The_Boy wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Weigh-ins in boxing take place the day before the fight. I'd like to find a drug that allows one to gain significant amounts of lean muscle in 24 hours.

    It's not about gaining muscle in 24hrs, it's about being at a fighting/healthy/optimum weight that is a few kgs over the limit then extreme dieting or not drinking before the weigh in to come back up to that optimum weight. However it is not actually that easy to fully rehydrate and fuel in 24hrs if you have really taken it to extremes so there are drugs that will help with that.

    Being able to "make weight" has become a major skill for a fighter now as it means you can compete against opponents that may be naturally smaller or weaker

    I'm familiar with what boxers go through to make weight. Friend-of-a-friend was an amateur pugilist, and even at his lowly level cutting weight was a 'thing'.

    You'll note though that the post prior to mine (which I was responding to) refers to 'bulking up'. That's a phrase that has a clear meaning, ime, whether used by combat sportists, thugs or gym junkies.

    The bulking up was an error on my part. I meant making weight but posting the wrong term. That's what you get for not taking the day off after a 24 hour flight
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I've got a confession to make. I've been taking anything available to try to beat my man flu before the IAAF World Half Marathon tomorrow and haven't done any checks against the WADA list. Hope I don't get tested as another big name scandal could finish the sport!
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    It's been mentioned elsewhere but needs to live in this thread: excellent open interview:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7IqzwgGeU
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Sunday Times tomorrow.

    Hajo Seppelt story on doping in multiple sports in the UK
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sunday Times tomorrow.

    Hajo Seppelt story on doping in multiple sports in the UK

    Front page news. 150 names, some very famous.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Joelsim wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sunday Times tomorrow.

    Hajo Seppelt story on doping in multiple sports in the UK

    Front page news. 150 names, some very famous.
    150 is an awful lot for a single story. I'm dubious that they would have incriminating evidence on that many. Which makes me think that it may turn out to be a bit of a non-story
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    RichN95 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Sunday Times tomorrow.

    Hajo Seppelt story on doping in multiple sports in the UK

    Front page news. 150 names, some very famous.
    150 is an awful lot for a single story. I'm dubious that they would have incriminating evidence on that many. Which makes me think that it may turn out to be a bit of a non-story


    Word reaches my shell-like that it may have been more hyped than it turns out to be in terms of real substance (scuse pun). But I guess we'll see in a couple of hours

    The Sunday Times does seem to be getting a little, umm, frenetic

    This for example is pretty unimpressive stuff
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/143 ... isturbing/
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    They say that Premiership football players may be involved.

    Well the head doctor at my team (West Ham) is called Vandenbroucke so I've got no worries about him.
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    British tour Dee France cyclist, apparently. Just pisting that before the internet breaks.
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    The_Boy wrote:
    British tour Dee France cyclist, apparently. Just pisting that before the internet breaks.


    You're doing what?!
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    British tour Dee France cyclist, apparently. Just pisting that before the internet breaks.


    You're doing what?!

    Posting. I don't even drink, so have no excuse.
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html


    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story



    Won't they?
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html


    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story



    Won't they?

    Tbf, Fuentes was a dodgy flake too, wasn't he?

    Edit: that sounded a bit "well that's what Lance said". Wasn't the intention.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,927
    Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester named. Oh dear. I was hoping Arsenal would get a pass.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    The_Boy wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html


    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story



    Won't they?

    Tbf, Fuentes was a dodgy flake too, wasn't he?

    Edit: that sounded a bit "well that's what Lance said". Wasn't the intention.



    Well we shall see. I have a Times sub so I'll be reading the full article when they publish online in an hour or so. Let's see if there are names, or just empty air (I've heard it's the latter)

    Meanwhile Dr Mark has a busy Apr. He's up before the GMC. Anticipating being struck-off, no doubt

    http://www.mpts-uk.org/about/news/1766. ... ookie=true
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited April 2016
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html

    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story

    Won't they?
    He's a doctor. They are inherently trustworthy to the media. See Andrew Wakefield
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html


    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story



    Won't they?

    Tbf, Fuentes was a dodgy flake too, wasn't he?

    Edit: that sounded a bit "well that's what Lance said". Wasn't the intention.



    Well we shall see. I have a Times sub so I'll be reading the full article when they publish online in an hour or so.

    Do you never sleep?
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    RichN95 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html

    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story

    Won't they?
    He's a dcotor. They are inherently trustworthy to the media. See Andrew Wakefield

    Any fucknugget in a lab coat will do. See Gillian mckeith.
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    The_Boy wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Dr Mark Bonar, eh

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ancer.html


    But I'm sure the Sunday Times will have ensured he is credible before excitedly running this front page story



    Won't they?

    Tbf, Fuentes was a dodgy flake too, wasn't he?

    Edit: that sounded a bit "well that's what Lance said". Wasn't the intention.



    Well we shall see. I have a Times sub so I'll be reading the full article when they publish online in an hour or so.

    Do you never sleep?



    Ridiculously little. Surprise myself on how I can function on so little sleep

    Ok. Not one single name named in the MASSIVE EXPOSE, according to @sportingintelligence (who''s usually all over this sort of thing like a rash)
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    There won't be any names - headline refers only to the doc's claims. They may or may not have another story to run on the back of this, but don't hold your breath.
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    The best bit so far is the STimes claim that he spoke of having given PEDs to Strictly dancers

    Ole!
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    So I shouldn't get up extra early to make sure I get a copy?
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Interestingly, reading this article, it almost smacks more of an attempt to bring down UKAD than anything

    Odd
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    The best bit so far is the STimes claim that he spoke of having given PEDs to Strictly dancers

    Ole!
    I knew Anne Widecombe and John Sargeant where too good to be true.
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  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    RichN95 wrote:
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    The best bit so far is the STimes claim that he spoke of having given PEDs to Strictly dancers

    Ole!
    I knew Anne Widecombe and John Sargeant where too good to be true.



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